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- 0:00The last three companies I founded and
- 0:01sold grew so fast it felt illegal. Used
- 0:04Allen got to $1.2 million per month at
- 0:06the end of the first year. Prestige Labs
- 0:08got to $1.5 million per month by the end
- 0:11of the first year. And Gym Launch got
- 0:13over $2 million per month by the end of
- 0:15the first year. I'm going to show you
- 0:16the strongest growth levers I used to
- 0:18get these results so that you can, too.
- 0:21Let's start with the first one, which is
- 0:23nobody knows you exist.
- 0:25And if you're under $1 million in
- 0:27revenue, I can virtually guarantee you
- 0:28that basically everyone on Earth doesn't
- 0:30know you exist. And so, the first 4
- 0:32hours of every day should be dedicated
- 0:34to solving that problem and going from
- 0:36obscurity to being aware. And so, we do
- 0:38that by doing the core four more, which
- 0:41is you have to do more outreach, cold or
- 0:43warm. You have to make more content, or
- 0:45you got to run ads. But the thing is is
- 0:47you don't need to do all of them. You
- 0:48pick one, you go all in, and that's what
- 0:50you spend your first 4 hours every
- 0:51single day on. Now, the reason that I
- 0:53talk about advertising more so much is
- 0:55that advertising is a boom. And if
- 0:57you're like, "What's a boom?" It's
- 0:58actually a term that I started using
- 0:59internally for our business, which is a
- 1:01business order of magnitude change. All
- 1:03right? And so, fundamentally, if you
- 1:05think about a business, there are many
- 1:07things that you can optimize. So, you
- 1:08can increase your close rate by 10%. You
- 1:10can increase your your conversion rate
- 1:12on your on your opt-in page by 10%. You
- 1:13can increase your email follow-up. All
- 1:15of those things are optimizations. And
- 1:17so, the problem is with optimizations,
- 1:19you can only go to 100%. They're capped.
- 1:22But with advertising, you can, in a very
- 1:24real way, 100x the amount of people who
- 1:27find out about your business. And one of
- 1:29the keys that small business owners get
- 1:31stuck in is they get in this little
- 1:32optimization mouse trap, where they're
- 1:34like, "I need to move this. Oh, I I I I
- 1:36I was at 10.1 one to one, and now I need
- 1:38to be at at 10.2 to one." It's like,
- 1:40"Dude, just get 100 times the leads, and
- 1:42your business will grow." So, here's
- 1:44what most people think when they think
- 1:46about their given marketplace. So, let's
- 1:47say you're a local dry cleaner. All
- 1:49right? You see that you're advertising
- 1:50on Facebook. And so, you see you have
- 1:52the whole pie, and so you're happy. So,
- 1:54that's just you. Then, you have you plus
- 1:58one other person. Then all of a sudden,
- 1:59you've got half of the pie. Then it's
- 2:01you plus three other people in the
- 2:03marketplace. And now, you feel sad.
- 2:06But, the reality is the marketplace is
- 2:08significantly bigger than you ever give
- 2:09it credit for. There are so many humans
- 2:11on Earth. This is what it looks like in
- 2:13reality. You're actually only
- 2:15advertising on one of four different
- 2:17methods, and the way that you're doing
- 2:19it is only on one slice of the medium.
- 2:21And then within that, you have your tiny
- 2:23little quarter that you are taking up.
- 2:26And so, the marketplace has so many
- 2:27different ways they can communicate
- 2:29using each of the methods of
- 2:31communication. So, for example, if I'm
- 2:33talking about content, I'm like, "Oh,
- 2:34there's somebody else in my marketplace
- 2:35who's marketing on Instagram." Okay,
- 2:37cool. So, there's that, but isn't there
- 2:40also other platforms you can do it on?
- 2:41And don't you think that maybe there's
- 2:43enough people in your marketplace to
- 2:45satisfy your business? Probably. The
- 2:47amount of times that I would have a gym
- 2:48owner, for example, who'd come to me and
- 2:49say, "Hey, there's this other guy in the
- 2:51marketplace who's now running Facebook
- 2:52ads." I'm like, "You only need 200
- 2:54people in your gym to be incredibly
- 2:55profitable. And right now, last time I
- 2:57checked, you've got a 1 million people
- 2:59in your city. And so, you just have to
- 3:00get 200 of them. And so, if there's 10
- 3:03others or 100 other gyms that are
- 3:05advertising your area, even on the same
- 3:07platform, you still just need to get
- 3:090.00002%
- 3:11of that audience to just come to you.
- 3:13And so, you think that as these people
- 3:15enter, you're losing market share, but
- 3:18the reality is you're this tiny little
- 3:19speck, and most people don't even know
- 3:21you exist. So, the next growth principle
- 3:24is instead of trying to beat your
- 3:27competition, shrink your competition.
- 3:29Eminem has responded to hate in two ways
- 3:32publicly that I absolutely love. So, the
- 3:34first is that when Will Ferrell
- 3:37confronted him about some things that
- 3:38Afrojack had said to him, he said, "Hey,
- 3:41Afrojack's been talking trash. Do you
- 3:42have anything to say about it?" And
- 3:44Eminem just said, "Who?" And then Will
- 3:46Ferrell repeated the statement. And then
- 3:47he just looked at him and he was like,
- 3:48"Who?" And he was like, "Okay, yep,
- 3:50that's what I thought." And so, the
- 3:52first is I'm so big I can't hear him.
- 3:56The secondary is that you kill them with
- 3:58kindness, right? So, you either grow so
- 4:00big that no one can see them or hear
- 4:02them, or you meet them where they're at
- 4:04on a different game, which is you play
- 4:05on kindness and grace. And so, in 8
- 4:08Mile,
- 4:09Eminem tries to claim all of the flaws
- 4:11that he has so that no one else can say
- 4:13anything. And so, I get hit on a lot.
- 4:16Not like that.
- 4:18For talking about working a lot, people
- 4:20are like, "That's not healthy." And of
- 4:21course, I try to put disclaimers in
- 4:23every video. I'm like, "Do whatever you
- 4:24want." Right?
- 4:25I get hit on for like, "Oh, I think he's
- 4:28he's trying to make money." Duh. I try
- 4:31to say it all the time, but people
- 4:33assume that I am trying to hide this
- 4:34from others. Of course, I'm trying to
- 4:35make money. I'm in business. That's the
- 4:36whole point I do this. And that way, if
- 4:38I always start with I'm here to make
- 4:39money, when I do something nice, then
- 4:42people are like, "Oh, well, that was
- 4:43nice of him." Rather than me claiming
- 4:44that I I have to be the super kind
- 4:45whatever person, and then when I try and
- 4:48make money, people are like, "Ah." Shake
- 4:49their finger at me. Like, it's not good.
- 4:51And so, I try and learn from Eminem and
- 4:54just take all of the negatives that I
- 4:55can think that somebody would possibly
- 4:57say, and then just claim them as my own.
- 4:58Because, yes, we are all flawed, and
- 5:00none of us are perfect. And so, for some
- 5:02reason, we are bothered when someone
- 5:03else points out our imperfections that
- 5:05we would readily state ourselves. We
- 5:06know we have deficiencies. What you want
- 5:08to do is overwhelm the marketplace so
- 5:10that you drown them out. You want to be
- 5:12so loud that no one else can hear them.
- 5:15You shrink them into irrelevance by
- 5:17comparison. And so, there's two ways
- 5:19that you can become the tallest
- 5:20building, right? You can knock everyone
- 5:22else down, or you grow so that they
- 5:24become smaller in comparison to you. And
- 5:26so, everyone sees their little building
- 5:29and thinks, "Oh, no, I should knock all
- 5:31my competitors down." Right? When in
- 5:33reality, all you need to do is build the
- 5:35biggest absolute building there. And the
- 5:37thing is is that you're going to block
- 5:38out the sun, and your shadow will be so
- 5:40big that no one can even see these
- 5:42people. And let me tell you a story
- 5:44about this.
- 5:45When I launched my last book, 100
- 5:48Million Dollar Leads,
- 5:49I spent a tremendous amount of time and
- 5:51effort across I think at the time we had
- 5:53seven-ish million
- 5:55subscribers or you know audience size
- 5:57across all platforms. I emailed a bunch,
- 5:59I made a ton of content, we spent money
- 6:00on ads, we did outreach, we had
- 6:01affiliates going, we had all these
- 6:03different channels going to get as many
- 6:05people as possible to the launch. And
- 6:07when I walk around Las Vegas because I
- 6:09live here, I will usually get stopped
- 6:12about three-ish times when I do about a
- 6:1560-minute walk.
- 6:16Mind you, I walk in a crowded area so
- 6:18it's not like I'm just like walking in
- 6:19the neighborhood cuz then that would
- 6:20just be weird. Anyways, and of course
- 6:21you should be recognized by your
- 6:22neighbors. But I'll get stopped by three
- 6:24people and every time for the month
- 6:26leading up to the launch, I would be
- 6:28like, "Hey, you going to the book
- 6:29launch?" 19 times out of 20, the people
- 6:32would look at me and be like, "What's
- 6:34the book launch?" And I was like, "How
- 6:35do you not know about this, right?" But
- 6:37it was this wonderful reminder that most
- 6:39people, when you get tired of your
- 6:41advertising, most people don't even know
- 6:43your first name. If you have deluded
- 6:46yourself into thinking that you should
- 6:49only have to say something once and
- 6:51somehow everyone in the entire world has
- 6:53heard you say that thing, you are
- 6:55kidding yourself. You need to become a
- 6:57master of variety in terms of how you
- 6:59can resay the same thing in different
- 7:01ways. And taking the natural extreme,
- 7:04there's this fallacy that most small
- 7:06business owners think and myself
- 7:07included for years I thought this was
- 7:10that repetition in and of itself is
- 7:12somehow bad. So let me explain.
- 7:15There's probably people on the internet.
- 7:17I personally follow a bunch of
- 7:18philosophy accounts. And so most of the
- 7:21philosophers are dead. And yet I still
- 7:25love to see the quotes they have because
- 7:27they remind me of the things that I want
- 7:30to follow, the way that I want to live.
- 7:33And it's not like, "Oh, another Seneca
- 7:35quote. Does this guy never give up?"
- 7:37It's like he's dead. He hasn't come up
- 7:39with a new quote in 2,000 years. And yet
- 7:41I still like seeing the quotes even
- 7:44though I know I've seen them before. And
- 7:46often times you serve that role for your
- 7:48audience more than anything else. Like,
- 7:50we think that it's like, "Oh, I've said
- 7:52this one thing. Therefore, they have all
- 7:53changed all their behavior immediately
- 7:54and they never need to learn that
- 7:55again." But, the biggest lesson that I
- 7:57have learned is that people need to be
- 7:58more reminded than they need to be
- 8:00taught. And in the off chance that
- 8:02you've received hate or you have a
- 8:03competitor who's talking crap, and it
- 8:05happens,
- 8:07this counts double. So, instead of
- 8:09trying to beat them or prove them wrong,
- 8:11you only have two options. Option one is
- 8:14you grow so big that no one can even
- 8:16hear them. The alternative is that you
- 8:19kill them with kindness, which is that
- 8:21you do not beat them by proving that you
- 8:24are right.
- 8:26You beat them by proving that you are
- 8:30kind.
- 8:32And then by comparison, they will look
- 8:34bad.
- 8:36And so, I can only thing I can tell you
- 8:38about having dealt with plenty of it in
- 8:39my day is that on the occasion that I do
- 8:41choose to respond to hate, I try to
- 8:43respond with kindness. And so, someone
- 8:45can just absolutely tear me one to say
- 8:47like, "This guy sucks. He's terrible.
- 8:48Whatever." Right? I will then usually
- 8:51say, "Hey, you're right. I'm a super
- 8:53flawed person. Um that being said, it
- 8:55seems like you've developed like a big
- 8:57audience here and they seem to like you.
- 8:58And so, congrats on your success."
- 9:00Right? When someone sees that, it's very
- 9:02hard for everyone to be like, "Man, that
- 9:04guy sucks." It's just like now, if I
- 9:06were to try and like list out all the
- 9:07points, all I do is invite more back and
- 9:10forth, which I don't want to do and it's
- 9:11a waste of my time. And so, instead, you
- 9:14start all hate responses with you are
- 9:16right because it's all they want to
- 9:17hear. And there's really nothing else to
- 9:19say after that. And so, what's
- 9:20interesting is that often times hate, if
- 9:22you boil it down, comes down to I
- 9:25do not prefer the way this person does
- 9:27things.
- 9:28I have a different preference. And it's
- 9:30like, "Great."
- 9:31Right? Like, I I make money one way. He
- 9:34makes money another way. And therefore,
- 9:36he is wrong. It's like, "No, you just do
- 9:38the way you want, which is awesome
- 9:39because you do your way and they do it
- 9:41their way and the people who are
- 9:41attracted to that will do that and the
- 9:42people attracted to you will do yours
- 9:43and great. Like, I mean, of course,
- 9:45there's engagement baiting and things
- 9:46like that because, you know, people
- 9:47people want to get views and all that
- 9:49and I and I and I respect it. I get it.
- 9:50Um but but big picture, I think you
- 9:53can't take it
- 9:54um
- 9:55you can't take it personally because
- 9:56whenever I I fall into that little trap,
- 9:58I think to myself, "I'm a relatively
- 10:00developed monkey that is sitting on a
- 10:02little blue marble in a solar system
- 10:04that's in one of a billion galaxies and
- 10:07I'm worried about some screen that has
- 10:08words on it on a made-up language that
- 10:10we had in the last 1,500 years of how we
- 10:12communicate face noise to each other."
- 10:14And when I think about that, I think,
- 10:15you know, this would be pretty silly for
- 10:16me to like ruin a day over. So, the
- 10:18third big growth lever, and this one's
- 10:19massive, is clear, not clever. All
- 10:23right, so what I mean by that? Well,
- 10:24when I looked at the highest converting
- 10:26ads that I had run, and I do this pretty
- 10:29regularly, I look for different
- 10:31components. Sometimes I'm like, what's
- 10:32the hook? Sometimes I'm like, what's the
- 10:33color scheme? What's the What's the
- 10:35visuals that are being displayed in the
- 10:37first however many seconds? And in this
- 10:39one particular pass, I just looked at
- 10:41the grade level of the language that was
- 10:43being spoken. And the reason I looked at
- 10:45that, it was I think it was a you know,
- 10:46one or two election cycles ago, I'd
- 10:48heard this research study that had
- 10:49stated that the president who spoke in
- 10:51the lowest grade language was the one
- 10:53that won the election over and over
- 10:55again. And when I heard that, I see
- 10:57presidential elections fundamentally as
- 10:59massive brand campaigns. And so,
- 11:02I see that as
- 11:04they were able to communicate a message
- 11:06to a higher percentage of the population
- 11:07because they lowered the barrier to
- 11:09entry of comprehension. Meaning, more
- 11:11people got what they said.
- 11:13And so, when I hear that, I thought,
- 11:15"Man, I like to use all these big fancy
- 11:17college words and no one knows what I'm
- 11:19saying. And so, all I do is feed my ego,
- 11:22not my bank account." And so, I made one
- 11:24of my big marketing rules clear, not
- 11:27clever. And so, you want to take
- 11:29whatever communication is, look at your
- 11:31landing pages, look at your ad copy,
- 11:33look at the words you're saying in your
- 11:34content, and say, "Does a third grader
- 11:36understand this?" And the point that
- 11:38some people try to make as a counter is
- 11:40like, "Oh, I don't want to talk down to
- 11:41my audience." No. When you speak in a
- 11:43more broken down manner,
- 11:45you help the experts understand it more
- 11:47easily,
- 11:48and you help the beginners understand it
- 11:50for the first time. And so, it's not
- 11:52that experts are all of a sudden saying,
- 11:53"Oh, no, I don't believe that." Cuz
- 11:55listen, we get tons of very big
- 11:56companies that come to acquisition.com
- 11:58for investment, and the guys who run
- 11:59those companies very intelligent. But, I
- 12:02try to make my videos in a way that
- 12:04people can understand them because
- 12:06who do I who do I prove when I use a big
- 12:09word and then all of a sudden 3/4 of the
- 12:11audience can't understand it. And if the
- 12:13point of me making these videos is to
- 12:15make real business education accessible
- 12:16for everyone, part of it making it
- 12:18accessible is making it interesting,
- 12:19making it fun, and making it
- 12:21comprehensible, which is just a fancy
- 12:22word for understandable. And what you
- 12:24guys don't see behind the scenes is that
- 12:27I will typically self-edit. And so, I
- 12:30said distilled earlier in a sense and
- 12:32then I said broken down for experts is
- 12:34because I said distilled and I was like,
- 12:35"I have to use a different word." Broken
- 12:36down. And then I said comprehensible and
- 12:38then I said fancy word for
- 12:39understandable. And so, I try to
- 12:42constantly catch myself in this, and
- 12:44it's also made me a significantly more
- 12:45effective leader. So, if I'm trying to
- 12:47communicate with my team, I'm not trying
- 12:49to say big words. I don't want to
- 12:50impress them, I want to change what they
- 12:52do. And so, I I've taken this to such an
- 12:54extreme that with my books, I just use
- 12:56little little stick figures, right? I
- 12:58have these little drawings. It's like,
- 12:59"Oh, look, here's a guy who's walking on
- 13:00a path. Look, little apple, orange, big
- 13:03dollar sign, little dollar sign, right?"
- 13:04We try to make this as simple as
- 13:06possible so that people can understand
- 13:07what's actually going on. Because if you
- 13:09can explain it to a third grader, and
- 13:11this is Richard Feynman who said this,
- 13:12this is famous physicist, he said, "If
- 13:13you can explain it to a third grader,
- 13:15then you understand it. If you can't,
- 13:16you don't, and you need to understand it
- 13:17better so that you can break it down."
- 13:19And so, the broader the audience, the
- 13:21broader the analogy, and the simpler the
- 13:23language.
- 13:24And so, I'll give you an example. One
- 13:25element is the grade language of the
- 13:27words you use. The second is what
- 13:29visuals or stories you use to depict
- 13:31them. And so, if I'm talking to
- 13:33mechanics, I might use an analogy where
- 13:36I relate something they understand,
- 13:37cars, to something they might not
- 13:38understand, a business, right? If I
- 13:40wanted to teach a specific concept. If I
- 13:42was talking to the same uh I was trying
- 13:44to teach the same concept, but I was
- 13:45teaching it to realtors, then I would
- 13:47probably use a house analogy. If I was
- 13:49teaching it to baseball people, I would
- 13:51probably use a baseball analogy, right?
- 13:53And so, if you have a narrow down
- 13:55audience, you will increase
- 13:56comprehension by using analogies that
- 13:57they all understand. If you're talking
- 13:59to a broader audience, then you need to
- 14:01have a broader slice of the market,
- 14:04probably a more human experience that
- 14:06all of them have. So, if I'm talking to
- 14:07everyone, I might talk about food. I
- 14:09might talk about sleep. I might talk
- 14:11about driving, right? Cuz most people do
- 14:14that, assuming I'm not talking to
- 14:15children. And so, you have to match the
- 14:18analogy to the history of learning from
- 14:23the people that you're trying to
- 14:24communicate to.
- 14:26And this is what takes your marketing
- 14:28and your advertising and puts it on
- 14:29steroids. And to put this to the test,
- 14:32this is something you can do right now.
- 14:34Look at whatever emails you send,
- 14:36run them through a reading grading level
- 14:38app,
- 14:40keep working on it until it's below
- 14:41fifth grade minimum, third grade if
- 14:43you're awesome,
- 14:44and then send it. I did this to our
- 14:46email follow-ups and had a 50% increase
- 14:49in conversion. I didn't change anything
- 14:51about what I said, but I saw that as I
- 14:54got 50% more people to understand.
- 14:56Because the goal here is to decrease the
- 14:59friction of comprehension. So, if we
- 15:01think about the elements of value,
- 15:02speed, ease, time delay, these elements
- 15:06are all impacted by complexity. And so,
- 15:08something complex takes longer to
- 15:09understand. It takes more effort, right?
- 15:12And so, and it it's harder, right? And
- 15:14so, instead what we want to do is say,
- 15:15"Okay, how do I make it easy and
- 15:16faster?" Okay, well, then I'll just
- 15:20speak in a way that everyone
- 15:21understands. The next massive growth
- 15:23lever is proof over promise, all right?
- 15:27And so, what this means is that in my
- 15:30earlier days, I would spend so much time
- 15:32on my promise, right? And
- 15:35I wrote a whole book on promises, which
- 15:36is basically offers, right? And I would
- 15:38obsess about the offer. But
- 15:40and the offer is super important, but
- 15:41the only thing that's more important is
- 15:44proof. All right, so let me give you two
- 15:45hypothetical examples. Let's say that
- 15:48you've got business one that's selling
- 15:49thing one and business two that's
- 15:51selling thing two. Well, let's say they
- 15:53still compete for more or less the same
- 15:55audience. And business two says, "We'll
- 15:57do X, we'll do Y, we'll do Z, we'll do
- 15:59W, and we'll guarantee X, Y, and Z,
- 16:01right?" And you look at their reviews
- 16:03and they've got a five-star rating and
- 16:05they've got one review.
- 16:07The other company says, "We'll do X."
- 16:10And they've got 11,382
- 16:12five stars and they've got a 4.7.
- 16:14Who do you buy from?
- 16:17This guy, obviously. But why? This guy
- 16:20has a better promise because you believe
- 16:22this guy. And so, you want to have proof
- 16:25up to your eyeballs. Proof is your
- 16:27single highest priority as a business
- 16:30owner or marketer or advertiser or
- 16:32promoter for your business. It is the
- 16:34one thing that you prioritize. Before I
- 16:36enter any new space, launch a new
- 16:38product, the first thing that I do is
- 16:39try and get beta users. I work for free
- 16:41in exchange for testimonials, reviews,
- 16:44and feedback, and sometimes referrals if
- 16:46I'm lucky.
- 16:47But in the beginning, that is the
- 16:49highest most valuable thing that you can
- 16:51do. So, people will say things like
- 16:54never work for free. And you only hear
- 16:55that from people who don't make that
- 16:57much money.
- 16:58If you make a lot of money, you will
- 17:00know that you spend so much time in the
- 17:02free phase because getting the product
- 17:04right is so important, is such high
- 17:06leverage. And so, the proof process both
- 17:09makes you convicted because you get the
- 17:12opportunity of many feedback loops to
- 17:14make your product better so that you
- 17:17then can collect the positive feedback
- 17:19that you can then advertise to get more
- 17:21people like those customers.
- 17:23And the most compelling way to advertise
- 17:26anything is show, don't sell.
- 17:30And if I just stand here and said
- 17:31nothing, and I said and I just stated
- 17:33the facts and told the truth, and I
- 17:34said,
- 17:36"I have
- 17:3711,382
- 17:40reviews, and our average review is 4.7,
- 17:43and I make pasta really good."
- 17:48And then
- 17:49or
- 17:50"I have one review from my mama,
- 17:53and I make
- 17:54supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
- 17:56pasta, guaranteed."
- 17:58Which one do you like better?
- 18:00Obviously, this one. You don't need to
- 18:02say much more. The proof is the pudding.
- 18:05The most important part of a message is
- 18:08the messenger themselves. They're
- 18:10inextricably linked from the thing
- 18:12that's being communicated, and this is
- 18:13what people seem to miss when they're
- 18:14making content, which is why I'm a big
- 18:17advocate of do epic stuff first, then
- 18:20talk about what you did. And if the
- 18:22stuff that you didn't do is epic, focus
- 18:24more on the doing epic stuff, not on the
- 18:26talking about it. And so, I started this
- 18:28channel uh with a commitment to a vendor
- 18:31saying, "I'll make three YouTube videos
- 18:32a week." And I was busy, and I was like,
- 18:34"I'm just going to get a webcam, and I'm
- 18:35going to talk to the camera." And that
- 18:36is how this channel was started. And the
- 18:39only reason, in my opinion, that people
- 18:42decided to listen was because I just so
- 18:45happened to have sold a company for just
- 18:46under $50 million. And so, because of
- 18:48that, there was proof
- 18:51that I was able to deliver on the
- 18:52promise. Whereas, somebody else might
- 18:54have a totally beautiful studio and have
- 18:57all these things, but they just forgot
- 18:59the one most important thing, which is,
- 19:00"Why should I listen to you?"
- 19:02And so, either it's going to have to be
- 19:04proof that you generated for yourself,
- 19:06or proof from other people saying that
- 19:07you helped them achieve that thing.
- 19:09If any of these growth principles help
- 19:11you in thinking about your business
- 19:13differently so that you can scale faster
- 19:15or you need to send it to your team, it
- 19:16would mean the world to me if you shared
- 19:17it. Um, that's my only ask.
- 19:20And appreciate it. So, the next big
- 19:22thing is the hook. Now, you're like,
- 19:24"Okay, I've heard about hooks before."
- 19:26Not the way that I'm going to talk about
- 19:27it. All right? So, the hook is greater
- 19:30than everything. Now, you're like, "Wait
- 19:32a second. I thought proof was greater
- 19:33than everything." Well, the proof is
- 19:34going to be contained in the thing, but
- 19:35no one's going to see the proof unless
- 19:36you have a good hook. All right? And so,
- 19:38the one thing that I think has
- 19:40consistently been reinforced and it's
- 19:41just like a greater and greater
- 19:43percentage of my time is allocated
- 19:45towards this one part of my advertising
- 19:46that grows my company the most is I
- 19:49search for the best hooks. And then I
- 19:52don't convince myself that I'm more
- 19:53creative than I think I am and I just
- 19:55keep using the ones that work. So, think
- 19:57about it like this. These are the only
- 19:59four things that you can do to advertise
- 20:00any business. You can warm outreach, so
- 20:02reaching out one-on-one to people you
- 20:03know. Cold outreach, reaching one-on-one
- 20:05to people you don't know. You can run
- 20:06paid ads, which is going one-to-many to
- 20:08people you don't know. Or you can post
- 20:09content, which is one-to-many to people
- 20:10you do know.
- 20:11And in each of these four situations you
- 20:14can double, triple, 5x the amount of
- 20:18people who open and respond, who click
- 20:21and watch your ad, who uh watch your
- 20:23content all the way to the end. And if
- 20:25you do something like that and you do
- 20:26increase the click-through rate by go
- 20:28from 1% to 5% or 2% to 10%, which
- 20:30absolutely can happen. When you do that
- 20:35you in a very real way can 2x, 3x, 4x,
- 20:385x your business.
- 20:40With just that one thing. Remember I
- 20:42talked about earlier that advertising is
- 20:44a boom? It's a It's an order of
- 20:45magnitude change. Well, what other one
- 20:48thing can you just tweak that then opens
- 20:52up the flow to the entire business based
- 20:55on how good the first 5 seconds are? Or
- 20:58the first 1 second? And so, in thinking
- 21:00about hooks, I think about both the
- 21:02visual hook, as in what's happening,
- 21:04what that people can see, and then
- 21:06there's the auditory or or verbal hook,
- 21:08which is what are the actual words that
- 21:09are being communicated. And
- 21:11we have right now we reviewed our top
- 21:13YouTube videos of all time and I have
- 21:15made a video about 6 months ago saying
- 21:17what we found, which is our hook formula
- 21:19is proof,
- 21:21promise,
- 21:23plan. And so if you have the opportunity
- 21:26to
- 21:27make content, make ads, run cold
- 21:29outbound, if you can include these, I
- 21:32can almost guarantee that you will do
- 21:34better than if you include none of them.
- 21:35And this is a force multiplier on any
- 21:37kind of advertising you do. And so when
- 21:39I think about like all the different
- 21:41things, all the effort that goes into
- 21:42advertising a business, if I can just do
- 21:45one thing and the crazy part about hooks
- 21:46is they're the shortest part. They're
- 21:48the shortest part of the whole darn
- 21:50thing. And this is where David Ogilvy
- 21:52says, "If you have written your
- 21:54headline, you've spent 80 cents of your
- 21:56advertising dollar." The more advanced
- 21:58the advertiser is that I meet, whether
- 21:59it's a content creator, somebody who's
- 22:01on outbound, somebody who makes paid
- 22:02ads, the more obsessive they are on the
- 22:05first frame, the first impression that
- 22:08someone gets because they know, one, it
- 22:10increases the likelihood that the
- 22:11person's going to watch the rest of it
- 22:12and then potentially buy, and then two,
- 22:15it changes their entire perception of
- 22:17what follows. So we actually looked at
- 22:19this uh for speakers at an event,
- 22:22which was if we change the intro, the
- 22:25the one to two-minute intro that we had
- 22:27for a 60-minute talk,
- 22:29the person's net promoter score, so what
- 22:31people rated them in terms of how good
- 22:33they were,
- 22:34changed massively, even though the
- 22:36actual presentation was the same. So
- 22:39simply how we framed the presenter, the
- 22:41person hadn't got up on stage yet,
- 22:43changed how everything they did
- 22:45afterwards was perceived. And so if
- 22:47there's two minutes that can influence
- 22:49the score that you get, the customer
- 22:51satisfaction, the amount of prospects,
- 22:53the one thing to focus on is nail the
- 22:55hook. Let me show you the force
- 22:56multiplication of this.
- 22:58We just started reviewing uh uh content
- 23:01on the content team and just doing a
- 23:02more regular activity of seeing like
- 23:04what are the things that make uh content
- 23:05do well.
- 23:06And there was a video that we're like,
- 23:07"We think this thing is good." And so,
- 23:10all we did is we took the same video
- 23:11that got like 40,000 views. And then we
- 23:14just chopped out the first 3 seconds
- 23:16that was kind of like getting into the
- 23:18into the video before the actual real
- 23:20hook was delivered. And by snipping
- 23:22those 3 seconds and then just starting
- 23:23where the hook really was, it went from
- 23:25a 40,000 view video to a 780,000
- 23:28view video. So, you're talking about a
- 23:2919x improvement. So, I'm talking about,
- 23:32you know, 1% 2% talking 19x.
- 23:36That is why obsessing over the hook is
- 23:38so important. So, the next big growth
- 23:40lever
- 23:41that gave us the super fast growth was
- 23:43more. So, I talk about more,
- 23:46better,
- 23:47and new as the three primary strategies
- 23:51of growth. You either do more of what's
- 23:52already working, you do what you're
- 23:54doing to make it work better, or you do
- 23:56something entirely new. Now, most
- 23:58entrepreneurs love doing new stuff, and
- 23:59that's why it's called shiny object
- 24:01syndrome, and it's a cancer, and you
- 24:02should get that looked at. But, the very
- 24:04boring answer is the mundane more. You
- 24:08have to master more. And it's going
- 24:11instead of zero to one, which is what
- 24:13most people love doing. Oh my god, I
- 24:14finally got it to work. But, actually
- 24:16doing one to N, which is how do I do is
- 24:18this thing as many times as humanly
- 24:19possible without wanting to kill myself.
- 24:22And so, here's the actual math
- 24:24explanation of this. More is typically
- 24:26the highest risk-adjusted return
- 24:28strategy. All right? And so, what that
- 24:30means is
- 24:32if you
- 24:34can do something and you already know it
- 24:35works, the likelihood that the next
- 24:37thing you do works is much smaller. And
- 24:40so, this is why once you have a control,
- 24:42meaning you have um a specific landing
- 24:45page or ad or copy or email that you
- 24:48know converts, whenever you deviate from
- 24:51a high-converting advertisement, the
- 24:53likelihood that the variant is going to
- 24:55beat it is typically low. And so you
- 24:58have to try a bunch of variations cuz
- 24:59all you're doing is messing something up
- 25:01that actually already works. If you had
- 25:04one sales guy and he's closing at 30%
- 25:08well, you could try and obsess to get
- 25:10him to 35 or 40% and that would be
- 25:13material. You know, you get a 25% lift
- 25:15overall 30 to 40% is a 25% improvement.
- 25:17But you know what would be even cooler?
- 25:19Just hire three more guys and then you
- 25:22have a
- 25:234x or a 300% improvement. And so it's
- 25:26like I could get a 25% improvement or I
- 25:28could get a 300% improvement. And me
- 25:30trying to change up the sales script
- 25:31also has a significant shot of me taking
- 25:33it from 30 down to 20 because it's a
- 25:36change. And so here's the thing is that
- 25:38when you change anything, you guarantee
- 25:41you incur the cost of change, but you do
- 25:43not guarantee that you get the benefit
- 25:45of change. And so in each of the core
- 25:47four methods, you do more outreach,
- 25:50which is cold or warm. You go from 100
- 25:51reach outs a day to 200 reach outs a
- 25:53day. Paid ads, you go from $100 a day to
- 25:54$200 a day. You go from posting content,
- 25:56you go from posting once a day to twice
- 25:57a day, right? Those are how you do more.
- 26:00And when I talk to the most experienced
- 26:03advertisers that I know, the most
- 26:04experienced business people that I know,
- 26:07the most common thing we talk about is
- 26:08we kind of laugh in the back room of
- 26:09like if people just people just don't
- 26:11know how much more they can do. That's
- 26:13that's honestly the real that's the
- 26:16real. Is that when I when I when I have
- 26:18conversations with small business
- 26:19owners, they're like, "Hey, I don't
- 26:20think I can do any more
- 26:22ads. You know, I'm running I'm I'm
- 26:23already running a thousand dollars a
- 26:24day." I'm like, "I mean, dude, there's
- 26:26businesses that run like two million a
- 26:27day."
- 26:28And so you usually have so much more
- 26:31runway than you think you do. And
- 26:33sometimes you just need someone ahead of
- 26:34you to be like, "Dude, you can like 10x
- 26:36this and nothing's going to change." But
- 26:38they think because of whatever mental
- 26:39limitation they have or like, "You've
- 26:41never spent that much money on a on an
- 26:42ad before. You've never made that amount
- 26:44of Is it going to hurt my account?" No,
- 26:46they want you to make good content. "Is
- 26:48it going to hurt my ads?" No, they want
- 26:49you to spend money. "Is it going to Is
- 26:51it going to hurt my my outreach?" You're
- 26:52going to people who've never met you
- 26:53before. So, why would they know that you
- 26:54sent it to another 100 people, right? Is
- 26:56that there's this these perceived fears,
- 26:59but most of the times it's just between
- 27:01your ears. Tell you guys a quick story
- 27:02about this. So, when I had my first, I
- 27:05would say real business, which is my
- 27:07first location of my first gym,
- 27:09I had a mentor and he was a really good
- 27:11local marketer. And so, he had a
- 27:13strategy for his tanning salons where he
- 27:15would bring in, I mean, thousands of
- 27:17customers every single every single
- 27:19quarter. And what he did was he would
- 27:22put out flyers. He just put flyers on
- 27:23cars and then had like a, you know, free
- 27:24VIP gift card people would come in and
- 27:26redeem them and he flipped them into
- 27:27memberships.
- 27:28And so, I figured, okay, I'll just run
- 27:30the same play. And so, I did the flyers
- 27:33and I put 300 flyers out and I waited by
- 27:37the phone be like, oh my god, I'm going
- 27:38to get 300 people in here. It's going to
- 27:39be sick. And what happened? Well, my
- 27:42phone only rang once from the flyers and
- 27:45when I picked up the phone, the guy was
- 27:47like, hey, did you put the flyer on my
- 27:49car? And I was like, yeah, I did. Like,
- 27:51what time do I have? And then he cut me
- 27:52off and he was like, you damaged my
- 27:53Mercedes. And I was like,
- 27:55click. And I
- 27:57I didn't know what to do.
- 27:59And as soon as I I I I and thankfully he
- 28:01never called me back cuz I definitely
- 28:02had didn't have the money to fix any
- 28:03Mercedes at that time.
- 28:05Um,
- 28:06I called
- 28:07my mentor back up, you know, a week or
- 28:09two later once it was clear that no one
- 28:10else was going to call. I said He said,
- 28:13hey, how did the flyers work out? And I
- 28:14was like, well, they didn't work out at
- 28:15all, actually. You know, I was like
- 28:17taking some attitude with him. He was
- 28:18like, oh, well, what was your test size?
- 28:20And he didn't like he didn't take the
- 28:21bait. He was like, oh, what was your
- 28:22test size? And I said,
- 28:24well, what do you mean? He was like,
- 28:26well, like, what you test with before
- 28:27you like did the real campaign? And I
- 28:29was like, oh, why?
- 28:30I mean, I put 300 out. And he was like,
- 28:33300? He's like, you can't know anything
- 28:36with 300. I was like, what do you mean?
- 28:38He's like, I test with 5,000. He's like,
- 28:40and then we put out
- 28:425,000 a day for 30 days.
- 28:46And so, I was looking at his results
- 28:49from 150,000
- 28:51flyers over 30 days and comparing them
- 28:54to my results of 300 in a day.
- 29:00And once I saw that juxtaposition, I was
- 29:02like,
- 29:03"Got it. I will never make this mistake
- 29:05again." It was very embarrassing for me
- 29:08because I was on the right path, I just
- 29:10didn't do enough. And so, one of the big
- 29:12metal lessons of this is that
- 29:15what presents as volatility is typically
- 29:18a symptom of low volume.
- 29:20So, if you're like, "Man, I only get
- 29:22like, you know, a sale every week or
- 29:23every other week. It's kind of like, you
- 29:24know, it's you know, most days I don't
- 29:26get a sale and then every once in a
- 29:27while I get one." It only appears
- 29:29volatile because you're doing so little
- 29:32per day. But, if I looked at your year
- 29:35and saw that you closed about, let's
- 29:37say, 12 customers in that year, you
- 29:38closed one a month, for example, every
- 29:40every three or four weeks you get a
- 29:42customer, well, all I would do is look
- 29:44at your entire advertising activity for
- 29:46the year and say, "Okay, if we wanted to
- 29:48get 12 customers a day, we would have to
- 29:50do 365 times more advertising than we
- 29:53currently do. And if we did that on a
- 29:55daily basis, we would get 12 customers a
- 29:57day." And so, you just take your total
- 29:59calendar horizontally and then you flip
- 30:01it vertically for a day and that is how
- 30:03much volume is required. And so, most
- 30:05people just think that it's like, "Oh,
- 30:06they're They can't be doing more than
- 30:08like twice as much as me." But, in my
- 30:10experience, the people who are crushing
- 30:11it literally are doing a thousand times
- 30:13more than you. And that's the part that
- 30:15like, until you sometimes you hear it or
- 30:17you have someone ahead of you say it, it
- 30:18doesn't become real for you. And it's
- 30:20why I make these videos is to try and
- 30:21like push as much, you know, out of out
- 30:23of my brain and and history so that you
- 30:25can just get the story without the scar.
- 30:27Um,
- 30:27and that's and that's that's the whole
- 30:29point. Okay. So, once you're like,
- 30:31"Okay, I have something that's working,
- 30:33I should just do way more of that."
- 30:34Awesome. Well, the next thing, the next
- 30:36power lever here is word of mouth and
- 30:39it's not the the that you think. So,
- 30:41word of mouth, people are familiar with
- 30:43referrals, you know, customers uh
- 30:45tell other customers or tell other
- 30:46prospects that your stuff is good. But,
- 30:49what a lot of people don't understand is
- 30:50that negative word of mouth is
- 30:52significantly stronger and faster than
- 30:55positive.
- 30:56And so, Disney did this big study where
- 30:59they found that it takes 37 tragic
- 31:00moments to make up for one magic moment.
- 31:02And versus
- 31:05there's basically like a 5x versus 37x
- 31:07on
- 31:09if someone has a good experience they
- 31:10tell five people, if someone has a bad
- 31:11experience they tell like everybody. And
- 31:14so, a new business owner often will get
- 31:17customers pretty cheaply.
- 31:19And then all of a sudden costs start
- 31:20going up. And part of the reason that
- 31:22costs go up faster, cuz you can actually
- 31:24put math to this, which is understanding
- 31:26the difference between CPM, which is
- 31:27cost per impression, and if it's like,
- 31:30why is it M? It's mille, which is French
- 31:31for thousand, so it costs for a thousand
- 31:33impressions. Versus CPL, which is cost
- 31:36per lead, all right? And so, if your
- 31:39CPMs more or less stay the same, but
- 31:42your cost per lead has 2x, or 3x, or 4x,
- 31:46well, if it's not costing you more to
- 31:48reach those people, then it means that
- 31:50fewer of them are responding. And if
- 31:52that's the case, and you're just going
- 31:54to still relatively warm markets, then
- 31:57the issue is that instead of having
- 32:00positive word of mouth working for you,
- 32:02which should be actively lowering the
- 32:04amount of cost that it takes to get a
- 32:06new customer, you have
- 32:08word of mouth working against you. And
- 32:11so, people who would otherwise purchase
- 32:12from you heard something negative and
- 32:15then choose not to. And so, now all of a
- 32:17sudden you have to reach three times the
- 32:18amount of people because two out of the
- 32:19three people who would have gone and
- 32:22bought your thing heard it was bad, and
- 32:24then now you only have one person who's
- 32:26just heard nothing. And so, over time
- 32:28the percentage of the audience that's
- 32:29neutral or hasn't heard of you gets
- 32:31smaller and smaller and smaller. And so,
- 32:34it's way harder to grow off of word of
- 32:35mouth that's positive, but it's really
- 32:37easy to get crushed on negative word of
- 32:38mouth. And for whatever reason, no
- 32:41business owner ever claims that they
- 32:43have negative word of mouth. But I can
- 32:45tell you, half of you are below average.
- 32:48That's a fact. And this is why I
- 32:50emphasize the proof over promise earlier
- 32:53on so much because if I'm going to get
- 32:56negative word of mouth, which I know I
- 32:57am if I'm starting out, I want to keep
- 32:59that as concentrated and quiet as
- 33:01possible. I don't want anybody to know,
- 33:02right? And so of course I'm not going to
- 33:04charge them money because the last thing
- 33:05I want to do is also have their money
- 33:07when they're upset, right? So it's like,
- 33:08"Hey, I'm making this trade. You're
- 33:10going to get stopped. It's probably
- 33:11going to be not be that good. My only
- 33:12ask is that you give me feedback, right?
- 33:14Tell me how I can make this right. Tell
- 33:16me how I can make it better, right? And
- 33:17when you ask those types of questions,
- 33:19you get the types of answers that can
- 33:20ultimately create more value for the
- 33:21customer. And then once you get positive
- 33:23feedback, positive feedback, positive
- 33:24feedback, now you have something that
- 33:26people actually want. Then you can need
- 33:28introduce strangers to it. And of course
- 33:29you're going to roll into the next
- 33:30issue, which is, "Okay, how do I keep
- 33:32that consistent because now it's not me
- 33:33doing everything. I've got a team." And
- 33:34we'll get into that. Ah, this is a
- 33:36really good one. So, the next big growth
- 33:38lever is steal.
- 33:40Uh-oh. What am I say What am I going to
- 33:41say? From
- 33:44yourself.
- 33:45So, one of our portfolio companies,
- 33:46which is very large, hired a new
- 33:48advertising director.
- 33:49And that advertising director had came
- 33:51in with lots of new ideas.
- 33:53And so the founder, because he wanted to
- 33:55teach an important lesson to the
- 33:56advertising director, said, "Sure, let's
- 33:57do all of your ideas." And so he sat
- 33:59there, he said the scripts, he he, you
- 34:00know, he he recorded all these ads, he
- 34:02took multiple days to do it.
- 34:04And what ended up happening is that they
- 34:06ran all the ads and they didn't work.
- 34:09And so he said, "Hey, crazy idea.
- 34:11What if we use the same hook that's been
- 34:13working for 3 years?"
- 34:15And they used the same hook and the ads
- 34:17worked.
- 34:18And so, think about it like this.
- 34:21Nike on its second year after just do it
- 34:24wasn't like, "Hey, just do it's kind of
- 34:25old. Let's switch it up." It's like,
- 34:28when you find a message that converts,
- 34:30you keep hammering the message. When you
- 34:32find the ad hooks and you find the the
- 34:36the processes that work well for you,
- 34:39most times you'd be better served just
- 34:42continuing to reuse it because you will
- 34:44get bored of it far before your
- 34:45customers ever do. So, believe it or
- 34:47not, there's actually math to support
- 34:49this. So, Sergey Brin and Larry Page, I
- 34:52can't remember which one of them is like
- 34:53a brilliant mathematician and actually
- 34:54was able to prove this ratio out.
- 34:58And so, when you're stealing from
- 34:59yourself, you want 70% of all of your
- 35:02effort to going to basically carbon
- 35:04copying the thing that works. And this
- 35:06works across all functions. This works
- 35:07for a sales script, this works for
- 35:08product, this works for reinvestment
- 35:10activities, like this rule works. The
- 35:13second is adjacent. So, something that's
- 35:16just like 1° removed, right? So, it's
- 35:18close to the core of what you normally
- 35:20do, okay? So, instead of saying
- 35:22starting school communities is the
- 35:23fastest way to start an online business,
- 35:24right? I could say that would be a hook
- 35:25and it's a hook that worked. I could say
- 35:28um
- 35:28one of the fastest ways to start an
- 35:29online business is to start a school
- 35:30community, right? That would be a
- 35:32variation of something that we knew that
- 35:33those words worked, but it would be
- 35:34adjacent to it, not the exact carbon
- 35:36copy, but similar. Now, 10 is that means
- 35:40that one out of 10 of the things that
- 35:41you're putting your effort towards, all
- 35:43right, would be something that's
- 35:43brand-spanking-new, completely, you
- 35:45know, all out of left field. And when
- 35:47you look at your effort in your
- 35:49business, I can almost guarantee you
- 35:53that you have this flipped.
- 35:54And I only say this because I speak from
- 35:57experience.
- 35:58Um is that this is what I would do. I
- 36:00would spend 70% of my time on new crazy
- 36:02things, new ideas, all the stuff that
- 36:03excited me, and then 20% I'd be like,
- 36:05"Oh, yeah,
- 36:07I'll do something kind of different from
- 36:08what I was doing before." And then 10%
- 36:09I'll be like, "Fine, I'll I'll maybe."
- 36:11And this is this is a maybe. Most times
- 36:13like, "Oh, I already used that. Used
- 36:14that hook once. I don't want to use it
- 36:15again. I don't want to use the same hook
- 36:16that worked before in another ad."
- 36:20It's silly. Also, a different version of
- 36:22this from an advertising perspective of
- 36:23the 20% is use the exact same hook but
- 36:24you have a different background. So,
- 36:26it's a just like a different variation.
- 36:27So, it's like I could wear a different
- 36:28shirt, I could have a different setting,
- 36:30and I could still deliver the same hook,
- 36:31and to me that would still be kind of a
- 36:3320% variation. All of your competitors
- 36:36are copying your stuff and taking what's
- 36:38working.
- 36:39When you find something that works, keep
- 36:41doing it. Deviation from what works is
- 36:44more likely not to work.
- 36:46Think about it like this.
- 36:47If you demolish a building, so let's say
- 36:49we build a building and it takes us 2
- 36:51years to build a building, right?
- 36:52There's our building. Took us 2 years.
- 36:54Demolishing it might take
- 36:575 minutes. Just put a bomb, boom.
- 36:59Because the place of the bricks and the
- 37:02steel in that building, every other
- 37:04potentiality that those bricks could go
- 37:05to create not a building. But there's
- 37:08only one placement of that brick and
- 37:09steel that creates a building. And so
- 37:12you have unlimited options for
- 37:13destruction and only one for solution.
- 37:16And so when you do find something that
- 37:17works, the likely that when you change
- 37:19it and you move the brick and you move
- 37:20the you move the scaffolding, that you
- 37:22destroy the building is very high.
- 37:24Something can literally go anywhere
- 37:25except for the right place. And so you
- 37:27can have more options and all of them be
- 37:29wrong. So, once you're done stealing
- 37:31from yourself, then
- 37:35let's talk about emotional versus
- 37:36logical buyers. This is a huge, like,
- 37:39monstrous increase in business for me.
- 37:41So,
- 37:43have you ever heard from from the
- 37:44marketing world, there's logical and
- 37:46there's emotional buyers. I had heard it
- 37:47growing up and I kind of repeated it
- 37:49over and over again because I hadn't
- 37:50really thought about it.
- 37:51I don't actually think that's true. And
- 37:54so let me explain.
- 37:55I actually think that there's a
- 37:57continuum of buyers that people sit on,
- 38:00and you've got people who require more
- 38:01information, so they're high info
- 38:03buyers. Then you've got people who
- 38:04require less information.
- 38:06And there's two elements to this. One is
- 38:09their information requirement, and
- 38:10secondarily, how much info they have
- 38:13received. And so you could have a high
- 38:15information buyer that's further closer
- 38:17to this little this dollar sign here
- 38:18that only needs a little bit more
- 38:20information in order to buy. And then
- 38:22you have some people that just
- 38:23generically buy lots of stuff. And
- 38:25everybody loves those people, of course.
- 38:27But guess what? Everybody fights over
- 38:28those people. And so, the thing is is
- 38:30that the amount of low information
- 38:32buyers is like this. The amount of high
- 38:34information buyers is an order of
- 38:37magnitude or multiple orders of
- 38:39magnitude greater. Only crazy people buy
- 38:41immediately. It's very normal for people
- 38:44to want to have more information before
- 38:45making a decision.
- 38:47And so,
- 38:48when we think about our advertising, the
- 38:50reason that the direct response
- 38:52community typically can't grow very
- 38:54large businesses most of the time is
- 38:57because they only advertise to these
- 38:59people. And this pool of buyers is
- 39:01significantly smaller.
- 39:02But the reason building a brand, for
- 39:04example, and investing in an audience is
- 39:07because you're trying to move them down
- 39:09this line. Now, when I heard this in the
- 39:12earlier days of my career, I was like,
- 39:13"I don't have time for that. I need to
- 39:14make money." I get it. Sure, in the
- 39:16beginning you just advertise the the
- 39:186-in pots. But when you want to scale,
- 39:20you have to educate a higher percentage
- 39:23of the audience because they will
- 39:25require more to buy.
- 39:28The way to move people through this is
- 39:31something that Eugene Schwartz uh
- 39:33pioneered in his book Breakthrough
- 39:35Advertising.
- 39:36And he talks about the five levels of
- 39:38awareness. So, he has unaware people, so
- 39:41people have just no idea about anything.
- 39:43Uh the next is problem aware, so they
- 39:46have some sort of pain. You have
- 39:48solution aware.
- 39:51You have product aware.
- 39:54And then you have most aware. Okay?
- 39:57So, those are the five stages. Now, a
- 39:59customer will basically move in this
- 40:01direction going from unaware to most
- 40:03aware. And if you want to go to broader
- 40:06and broader audiences to get their
- 40:08attention, the unaware audience you
- 40:11typically have to go off of broad
- 40:13curiosity. And so, if you've ever seen
- 40:15those crazy like ads that are like weird
- 40:17articles like, you know, Arizona State
- 40:19blah blah blah has this new blah. Like
- 40:21they're trying to go after a massive
- 40:23audience people who have no idea what's
- 40:25going on. That new, you know, scientific
- 40:28breakthrough could lead you to buying a
- 40:29supplement. It could lead you to buying
- 40:31a weight loss thing. It could lead you
- 40:32to buying some sort of equipment. It
- 40:34could lead you to buying insurance. Like
- 40:35it could go in any direction, but it's
- 40:37the curiosity that gets them in.
- 40:39Problem aware would be something to the
- 40:41extent of like, do you wake up to pee
- 40:43three times a night? Does it hurt when
- 40:45you bend over to tie your shoes? Do you
- 40:46get out of breath when you play with
- 40:48your kids? Those are going to be problem
- 40:49aware. Now, they again, that could lead
- 40:51you to a supplement. That could lead you
- 40:53to insurance. That could lead you to
- 40:54whatever, but it's a slightly more aware
- 40:56person. At least they're problem aware.
- 40:59Solution aware is that somebody knows of
- 41:02the potential things that they could buy
- 41:04and you're helping them select between
- 41:05them. Product aware is at an even more
- 41:08micro level. And most aware is typically
- 41:10your existing customers. So, here is
- 41:12where you just make offers, right? This
- 41:15is why the book offers is where I
- 41:16started because
- 41:18the people who are here is the tiny
- 41:20audience here. And so, you just make an
- 41:21offer to get them to buy. But that only
- 41:24works for this tiny audience. So, you
- 41:25will make money quickly doing that, but
- 41:27you will also cap yourself quickly. In
- 41:29an effort to figure out, okay, well, how
- 41:31much should I allocate between these
- 41:33most aware, less info people and the
- 41:36maybe problem unaware, high information
- 41:38people who require more education in
- 41:40order to make a purchasing decision.
- 41:42Well, I had one of the most enlightening
- 41:44conversations I've had in a really long
- 41:45time with Ben Francis, who's the CEO of
- 41:47Gymshark. And then he introduced me to
- 41:49Chris Davis, who's the CMO of New
- 41:52Balance. And so, we had an awesome
- 41:54conversation talking about what Chris
- 41:56had done at New Balance and helped them
- 41:57just skyrocket their sales. And so, what
- 42:00they did is that when he took over
- 42:0330% of their advertising budget was
- 42:06going to here. It was going to the broad
- 42:08awareness level storytelling emotional
- 42:10stuff.
- 42:11And then 70% was basically geared
- 42:13towards buying shoes, saying hey go buy
- 42:15these shoes.
- 42:16What he did when he took over was that
- 42:18he flipped them. That he ended up with
- 42:2070% going to big, high-level pairings,
- 42:23endorsements, uh specific athletes that
- 42:26they wanted to recruit that they felt
- 42:27represented their brand, and only 30% of
- 42:30their advertising budget went towards
- 42:33actually telling people that they had
- 42:34shoes and that they were for sale.
- 42:36And so
- 42:38after he made that flip, here's the
- 42:39crazy part. It took 18 months for them
- 42:43to see the return on that budget. And so
- 42:46if you're in a rush, this isn't going to
- 42:48work. But if you're in a rush, you're
- 42:49never going to get big anyways. Keeping
- 42:51this ratio made this concept tactical
- 42:54for me. And so when I think about my
- 42:56marketing effort, my marketing dollars,
- 42:58and most importantly how I measure it,
- 43:00my marketing impressions, I want to make
- 43:02sure that 70% or more of the advertising
- 43:05impressions that someone's going to get
- 43:07are going to be around the pairings that
- 43:08I want of me giving something rather
- 43:10than asking. So when we look at this
- 43:12ratio, this is actually super well
- 43:14studied between 70 and 30% here. Because
- 43:17right now uh
- 43:19it's actually three and a half to one is
- 43:21the ratio that has been studied, 3.5 to
- 43:24one
- 43:26of give
- 43:28to ask
- 43:29to
- 43:30basically not lose audience. And so if
- 43:33you look at television for example, and
- 43:34they've already studied how many
- 43:35commercials can we jam into the show
- 43:37before people stop watching. And so they
- 43:39figured it out that it was
- 43:41every three and a half minutes of
- 43:43content they could basically put one
- 43:44minute of advertising in. If you look at
- 43:46your Facebook newsfeed, for every three
- 43:48posts you get when you scroll, you'll
- 43:50get one ad.
- 43:51And the platforms that grow the fastest
- 43:53have a larger percentage of this give
- 43:56and a smaller percentage of ask. TikTok
- 43:58for years had zero ads on the platform
- 44:01and just wanted to grow as virally as
- 44:02possible and they acquired more users
- 44:05because they had a give first, give all
- 44:06the time strategy. And so, the fact that
- 44:09they settled on this ratio and it has
- 44:11been corroborated, fancy word for it's
- 44:13worked in multiple other places, made me
- 44:16think, "Wow, there's something to this."
- 44:18And so, this makes this concept of how
- 44:21do I balance high information buyers,
- 44:23people that need more brand, people that
- 44:25need more education prior to purchase
- 44:27with me making money is that you
- 44:29basically start with that ratio, add
- 44:31patience and time, and then it becomes a
- 44:33snowball that compounds onto itself. And
- 44:36then you will get to a point in the
- 44:37future where you were still you're doing
- 44:39so much more than you could ever
- 44:42possibly do if you only focused on the
- 44:43direct response, on the less
- 44:45information, but you're actually still
- 44:47digging the well for what you're going
- 44:48to do next year. And so, basically you
- 44:50can see when a founder stops running a
- 44:52business and then the corporate execs
- 44:53come in because what they do is they
- 44:55flip the ratio, they basically pull
- 44:57forward demand from the future, they you
- 44:59had the the the founder dug the well,
- 45:01and then they just suck all the water
- 45:02out of the well, but then they didn't
- 45:04dig the next well. And so, you're always
- 45:05going to be ahead of demand. I'll give
- 45:07you even more tactics if you guys want
- 45:09more tactics, fine, I'll give you more
- 45:10tactics. So,
- 45:12B2B businesses and B2C businesses do
- 45:14this differently. And this was something
- 45:15that took me a really long time to
- 45:16figure out. And so, B2C businesses, so
- 45:19like business to consumer businesses,
- 45:21will typically
- 45:23do these types of pairings in terms of
- 45:25high information buyers by telling
- 45:26emotional stories, making associations,
- 45:29getting endorsements from athletes and
- 45:31influencers or organizations that
- 45:33represent the values that they think
- 45:35resonate with their ideal audience.
- 45:37And once they do that, they then can
- 45:39place the product next to those
- 45:41associations so that they can then pair
- 45:42them and then the person wants to buy
- 45:43the product as a consequence.
- 45:45That is what it looks like in a B2C
- 45:47business.
- 45:48But it took me a really long time to
- 45:49think through, "Well, what does this
- 45:50look like for a B2B business?"
- 45:53And so, I break this down into several
- 45:55tactical things. So, number one is
- 45:58aspirational outcomes that you have
- 46:01achieved or the business has helped
- 46:03facilitate. Secondarily, people like
- 46:06this person, like your avatar, that you
- 46:08have helped facilitate. So, just to be
- 46:09clear, it's stuff that you did, stuff
- 46:11that you helped other people do.
- 46:12The third is stuff that you helped them
- 46:15do,
- 46:16the prospect themselves, which you can
- 46:18only facilitate, at least in my opinion,
- 46:19in two major ways. One is that you give
- 46:21them free content and education, which
- 46:23is why I make this stuff, and the second
- 46:25is that you give them free products and
- 46:26services, which is just why the books
- 46:27are free, they're on my site, you can
- 46:29read them, you can consume them. There's
- 46:30a scaling road map there, personalized.
- 46:32All that stuff is free. Because
- 46:35fundamentally,
- 46:36it's two degrees of separation if some
- 46:38person does it. Alex had a big exit, now
- 46:40he's a big portfolio. Cool, that's two
- 46:42degrees of separation.
- 46:43There's other companies in the portfolio
- 46:45or other businesses who look just like
- 46:46mine that he helped scale, one degree
- 46:48separation.
- 46:49I used this stuff and made more money,
- 46:52zero degrees of separation. And this is
- 46:54always going to be stronger than
- 46:55anything else. But, it'll take longer.
- 46:58And so, in understanding the difference
- 46:59between B2C and B2B in terms of what do
- 47:01I do top of funnel here? How do I
- 47:03allocate my resources? It means that I'm
- 47:05spending time putting together the
- 47:07course in my spare time so that you guys
- 47:09can go consume it on uh how to make
- 47:11offers, how to get leads, how to scale
- 47:13comfort from zero to 100 million. Like,
- 47:14that's time, that's effort, that's my
- 47:17team who's behind the camera right now,
- 47:18that's budget that goes towards that
- 47:20because I'm not looking for demand
- 47:22today. I'm looking for those of you who
- 47:24are going to scale your companies in in
- 47:25five years hit me up. Let's say
- 47:26acquisition.com went public tomorrow and
- 47:28I got asked to for being rude, which I
- 47:30probably would. And then they put in a
- 47:31new CEO, and that new CEO says, "I need
- 47:34to hit quarterly earnings." So, what
- 47:35would he probably do? He'd probably
- 47:36switch to lots of direct response, uh
- 47:39and he'd probably cut down all the
- 47:41budget on the gives and the books and
- 47:43all the stuff you're like, "Well,
- 47:44there's no ROI in a book, like books
- 47:46don't make any money." It's like, "Yeah,
- 47:48not today,
- 47:49but they bring people into our world and
- 47:52when they do have the next
- 47:54billion-dollar company, they'll hit us
- 47:56up first."
- 47:57And that's the goal. But that guy will
- 47:59just say, "Well, you know what? Screw
- 48:00all that. I'm going to recapture all
- 48:02this marketing spend and effort. We're
- 48:03going to focus it all on these direct
- 48:04response ads. Tell people to buy, buy,
- 48:06buy." And you know what? For a quarter,
- 48:07it'll work. Maybe two quarters it'll
- 48:09work. But all of a sudden, it'll start
- 48:10slowly going down, slowly going down,
- 48:12slowly going down. And then what
- 48:13happens? They call the founder back up
- 48:14and they're like, "Hey, help help help
- 48:16us fix this." And then the founder's
- 48:18going to say, "I can't do it in a
- 48:19quarter.
- 48:20Like, it's going to take me a year, year
- 48:21and a half to basically right-size the
- 48:23ship because you sucked all the wells
- 48:25dry and I'm going to have to start
- 48:26digging again." So, the next one is some
- 48:27of my marketing laws. So, I'm going to
- 48:29give you a few of them and I'll start
- 48:30with the first one that you If you've
- 48:31heard my channel, then you should know
- 48:32this one. It should be ingrained in your
- 48:34brain, which is state the facts and tell
- 48:36the truth. And the reason this is so
- 48:38important to me is that it forces me as
- 48:42a advertiser, business person
- 48:45to change reality.
- 48:47And so, rather than try and exaggerate,
- 48:51it makes more sense to put all of the
- 48:53effort into doing epic stuff and then
- 48:55telling a truthful story rather than
- 48:57telling an epic story about something
- 48:59that was underwhelming. And I think the
- 49:00vast majority of marketers in marketing
- 49:02do the second thing. They have something
- 49:05normal and then they try out try and
- 49:06tell an exaggerated story of it rather
- 49:08than having something absolutely insane
- 49:10and just stating the facts and telling
- 49:11the truth. And I can tell you that the
- 49:12second, this one, stating the facts and
- 49:14telling the truth, is the best long-term
- 49:16strategy. And so, how do I actionalize
- 49:19this? All right. So, number one is that
- 49:20we make the truth more compelling. All
- 49:22right. We actually change reality. The
- 49:24second is that we show only what we can
- 49:26show. And so, I remember I was talking
- 49:28to you a martial arts guy and he's like,
- 49:30"There's all these other martial arts
- 49:31studios, you know, in my area. How do I
- 49:33stand out?" And I said, "Well, what's
- 49:35your you know, what's your specialty or
- 49:37whatever?" And he said, "I'm a double
- 49:38secret black belt of something." And I
- 49:40said, "Okay, well, how many double
- 49:41secret black belts?" He said, "Well,
- 49:42there's only six in the nation." And I
- 49:43was like, "Okay, well, do any of them
- 49:44live in your area?" And he said, "No."
- 49:46And I was like, "Well, why don't you say
- 49:47that?" Right? Why don't you say that?
- 49:50So, every business, if you get narrow
- 49:52enough, has something that's unique
- 49:53about it. You might have the best
- 49:54parking. You might have uh the fastest,
- 49:57you know, introduction to getting
- 49:58somebody to sit down. You might have the
- 50:00most gyms. You know, whatever it is, the
- 50:02most customers, the most customers at a
- 50:04certain price point, the most like you
- 50:06just need to slice the data of the
- 50:07business to figure out what is unique
- 50:09about your business. And I remember this
- 50:10moment in uh Mad Men, which is a uh an
- 50:13advertising show. It's like an old '50s
- 50:15show. Well, it's a new show about the
- 50:16'50s, anyways.
- 50:18And Don Draper, who's the lead
- 50:19character, is an advertising guy, um is
- 50:21pitching a client who's a cigarette
- 50:23company. And they're trying they're like
- 50:25the third or fourth in the category.
- 50:26They're highly commoditized. They're
- 50:28competing on price, and they're losing.
- 50:30And so, he asks them to explain how
- 50:33cigarettes are made. And they kind of
- 50:34roll their eyes. They're like, "Why is
- 50:35this important?" He's like, "Okay, well,
- 50:37first we have the plants, and then we
- 50:38take" And he keeps going through it.
- 50:39He's He's like, "And then we, you know,
- 50:40we let we let it sit out in the sun."
- 50:42He's like, "What do you mean?" He's
- 50:44like, "You know, to to to dry out the
- 50:45leaves." He's like, "So, you toast
- 50:47them." He's like, "Yeah, we toast them."
- 50:49He's like,
- 50:50"It's toasted."
- 50:51And so, that was a unique part. He just
- 50:55sliced down and got really narrow about
- 50:57one particular part of the process and
- 50:59was able to pull that out and emphasize
- 51:00it so that people are like, "Oh, this is
- 51:02different than other things." And the
- 51:05really important part about this is that
- 51:06maybe some of the other cigarette
- 51:08companies also toast it. But they don't
- 51:11say that they toast it. And so, the
- 51:13perception is still that it's different
- 51:15even if it is the same. And so, the best
- 51:18version of this is finding something
- 51:19that's truly unique. The second best
- 51:21version is to just say something that's
- 51:22unique about something that everyone
- 51:24else already does, but that your
- 51:25customers don't know.
- 51:27And so, the the correlator to that is
- 51:30say what only you can say. So, you show
- 51:32what only you can show, and you say what
- 51:34only you can say. So, the showing part
- 51:36is going to be like, "Okay, with the
- 51:37toasting thing, how do we display that
- 51:39visually?" With the super secret black
- 51:41belt then, how do we display that? And
- 51:42you could show the black belt. You could
- 51:43show you shaking your hands getting the
- 51:44certification. You could show you
- 51:45winning some tournament, right? If
- 51:47you're if you're toasting, you could
- 51:48show the bed of all the the tobacco
- 51:50that's getting toasted and the smells
- 51:52and the wafting through the air,
- 51:53whatever, right? And then you describe
- 51:55it in a way that only you can say.
- 51:57And so, to do this, you get narrower to
- 52:00be more unique. And so, the thing is is
- 52:03that you don't need to be the best in
- 52:04the world. You need to be the best in a
- 52:06puddle. It's more important that you are
- 52:08the best than what you are the best of.
- 52:11I would rather be
- 52:13from a marketing perspective, not
- 52:14absolutely. I'd rather have the 10th
- 52:16biggest company in the world, right?
- 52:18Than the first biggest company uh in
- 52:20Indiana. But, from an advertising
- 52:22perspective, it is more compelling to be
- 52:23the best.
- 52:25And I'll tell you a story that I haven't
- 52:26told.
- 52:27Um
- 52:28John Rockefeller,
- 52:30when he uh was early on in his oil
- 52:33empire,
- 52:35bid to buy the biggest oil refinery in
- 52:39Cincinnati.
- 52:40And he was the second biggest.
- 52:42And he ended up overpaying for the
- 52:46business. And the business owner of the
- 52:48oil refinery laughed at him and kind of
- 52:50laughed his way to the bank. He's like,
- 52:51"You completely overpaid for this
- 52:52thing." And so, then what John D.
- 52:54Rockefeller did, after he bought the
- 52:56second the the first biggest and he
- 52:58already had the second biggest, is that
- 53:00he then was able to say he was the
- 53:02biggest. And then in the next 30 days,
- 53:05he did over 20 M&A deals in the next 30
- 53:08days to consolidate the entire rest of
- 53:11the market because he became the
- 53:12gorilla.
- 53:13And so, he was willing to overpay for
- 53:16the asset to get the story.
- 53:19The difference in value between what he
- 53:22should have paid for those 20 deals and
- 53:24what he was able to pay by strong-arming
- 53:26those smaller competitors because he was
- 53:28now the gorilla more than made up for
- 53:30what he minorly overpaid or maybe even
- 53:32majorly overpaid for the one company
- 53:34that he bought. And when he recounts the
- 53:36story, when he tells the story again, he
- 53:38talks about how that competitor didn't
- 53:42see the bigger picture.
- 53:44And that was always it was such a I
- 53:46remember reading it in the in the
- 53:47letters that he wrote to his son and
- 53:48thinking to myself,
- 53:50that is powerful. He was willing to
- 53:53overpay for the story. He saw it as an
- 53:56investment in his brand, in his
- 53:57reputation. And so the guy who sold it
- 54:00just saw it as him overpaying for a
- 54:01product, but he wasn't appropriately
- 54:03valuing how much true brand value that
- 54:06would give Rockefeller as a result. The
- 54:08next big growth lever is all about the
- 54:11list, right? So, when I talk about the
- 54:14list, people immediately think that I'm
- 54:16talking about email list, direct mail
- 54:17list, and sometimes that's true. But
- 54:19I'll give you a hypothetical example.
- 54:20So, let's say I am selling winter coats.
- 54:24And I advertise an amazing offer on some
- 54:27killer coats
- 54:28that people love, they look amazing, and
- 54:31nothing comes back. Well,
- 54:33what could have happened? Well, if I
- 54:34showed my advertisement to people who
- 54:36live in South Florida,
- 54:38the likely that they buy my very
- 54:39expensive, really heavy, and hot winter
- 54:41coats is very low. It has nothing to do
- 54:44with my offer, nothing to do with ad
- 54:45creative, nothing to do with my pricing,
- 54:47nothing to do with anything. It's just
- 54:49the wrong people are seeing it. And so
- 54:51many smaller businesses
- 54:54think that marketing doesn't work, when
- 54:57in reality they were showing it to the
- 54:58wrong people. And so the first thing
- 55:01that you have to get right in marketing
- 55:02is targeting the correct audience. And
- 55:05so this is different by method of
- 55:08advertising. And so if we pull up our
- 55:11core four here, you want to reach out to
- 55:13people that you know are suffering from
- 55:16the problem that you solve or have a
- 55:17high likelihood of suffering from the
- 55:19problem that you solve. And the narrower
- 55:21the problem, the smaller the list.
- 55:24From a paid ads perspective, this is
- 55:25where the targeting by platform gets
- 55:27more important. And this is why some ad
- 55:29platforms tend to be more profitable
- 55:30than others because what makes an
- 55:31advertising platform successful is how
- 55:33well targeted it is. In fact, Facebook
- 55:36was so good that they had to roll it
- 55:37back because of privacy laws, but it was
- 55:39so effective at targeting people that
- 55:40people complained cuz it was so good. It
- 55:42felt creepy. Posting content, this is
- 55:44where the algorithm itself, based on
- 55:47This is what's crazy. What you look like
- 55:50and how you talk and what you say will
- 55:52impact what the AI serves your content
- 55:56to. The same works with paid ads. And
- 55:58so, if I want to get more women to buy a
- 56:02product, guess who I'm not going to have
- 56:04in the ad? Me. Because this is not what
- 56:07attracts lots of ladies, right? This is
- 56:09just usually a bunch of entrepreneurs
- 56:11who tend
- 56:12to have beards and like fitness or
- 56:14whatever else, right? But like my
- 56:16audience is like 89% male. And sure, for
- 56:19for my 11% females, keep rocking, I
- 56:21appreciate you. Um but by and large, I
- 56:23have a male-driven audience. Now, maybe
- 56:25it's because I talk about money, but
- 56:26there's tons of female entrepreneurs who
- 56:28talk about money and don't have
- 56:29predominantly male audiences. And so,
- 56:31it's just that my way of saying things
- 56:32and or the algorithm just tends to
- 56:34display it to dudes. And so, one of the
- 56:36easiest ways to make sure that you're
- 56:38displaying your ads to the right avatar
- 56:41is make sure that the person in the ad
- 56:42looks like the avatar. And I'll tell you
- 56:44a funny story. So, when I was running
- 56:47the Gym Launch 1.0 version, which is
- 56:49where we used to fly out to gyms and do
- 56:50the turnarounds,
- 56:52I found out that when I put the thank
- 56:53you page, this is before automated
- 56:55schedulers even existed. So, it's kind
- 56:56of wild. All right. Um I remember when I
- 56:59got my first automated schedule put on
- 57:00the thank you page, I thought I had like
- 57:02I'd I'd cured cancer. I was like, this
- 57:04is the coolest thing ever. People can
- 57:05automatically book. Like I don't have to
- 57:06call them and work the lead.
- 57:08Um and so anyways, the thank you page
- 57:10that I set up uh was just like, "Hey,
- 57:12text this number." And then the second
- 57:14version of the thank you page was, "Hey,
- 57:16my name's Alex. I'm going to be the one
- 57:18calling you." So, I put a picture of me
- 57:19and I said, "I'm going to be calling you
- 57:20from this number." So, I tried to put
- 57:21some visual to it.
- 57:23Then when I put Leila's picture on the
- 57:25thank you page and said, "Leila's going
- 57:27to be the one contacting you." What do
- 57:29you know? Our response rates went
- 57:31through the roof. People were
- 57:32immediately responsive. They were
- 57:33showing up to appointments. They were oh
- 57:35yeah, sure. I can make 5:00. For me
- 57:37they're like oh no, I don't give a
- 57:38right. And so if you want to attract a
- 57:40certain avatar, try to make sure that
- 57:43what is in your content, how you talk
- 57:46matches the way they talk because
- 57:47fundamentally all marketing works as
- 57:51long as you get the targeting right.
- 57:52It's like think about this way. If you
- 57:55walked into a room, this is how I like
- 57:57to visualize marketing because people
- 57:58people over complicate it. If I walked
- 58:00into a room and I got on stage and there
- 58:02was a thousand people in the room. If
- 58:03those thousand people were my ideal
- 58:05customers, then even if I had just like
- 58:08a really mediocre offer and
- 58:12something that they like kind of wanted,
- 58:14I would get some response. Now it might
- 58:16not be efficient. It might not get me
- 58:17the return I want, so I might lose
- 58:19money, but I might I would probably make
- 58:21something, right? I would get some
- 58:23clicks. I would get some leads, right?
- 58:25And so it would allow me to start the
- 58:26feedback loop so I can improve. But if
- 58:28nothing is coming through, it's
- 58:30typically because the wrong people are
- 58:31seeing it. And so one of the highest
- 58:33leverage ways of getting more from
- 58:34advertising is just making sure the
- 58:36right people are seeing it.
- 58:38Which is a perfect transition into the
- 58:40next one, which is how do you know that
- 58:42you've mastered something? Which is that
- 58:44masters have more ways to win. Now, what
- 58:47does that actually mean?
- 58:49They understand the many different ways
- 58:52that you can measure progress. So if you
- 58:55were to talk to an HR professional,
- 58:58okay? And you ask them what do you do? A
- 59:01lot of times they're going to give you a
- 59:02couple vague answers. They're like, you
- 59:03know, I'll payroll and I'll
- 59:05I'll make sure that people get in their
- 59:06benefits and whatever.
- 59:08But when you talk to someone who's a
- 59:09master at this and I remember the first
- 59:11time I had somebody who completely
- 59:13improved my understanding of talent and
- 59:15acquisition and recruiting. Um in the
- 59:18interview, the candidate said, oh,
- 59:21well what's your time to fill? And I was
- 59:23like, what do you mean? She's like, well
- 59:24the average time to fill a role. I was
- 59:26like, I don't know. She's like, oh,
- 59:28well, what's your what's your two-sided
- 59:29fit? I was like,
- 59:31I don't know what you mean.
- 59:32And so, she's like, okay, what's your
- 59:35cost to acquire talent? I was like,
- 59:38I don't know. And so, she had all of
- 59:41these different metrics that she was
- 59:43using to measure, which completely made
- 59:44sense to me. Like, I have cost to
- 59:45acquire a customer, I should have cost
- 59:47to acquire talent. I should have, you
- 59:49know, what's my cash conversion cycle?
- 59:51How quickly do I get my first sale? How
- 59:52quickly do I fill a role? And then, in
- 59:54terms of like customer satisfaction,
- 59:56it's basically employee satisfaction of
- 59:58how likely is it that the manager and
- 1:00:01the employee both say at day 90 that
- 1:00:03this is a 10 out of 10 fit. And so, when
- 1:00:06I started looking at that, I was like,
- 1:00:06oh, wow, there's a total there's a whole
- 1:00:08'nother level of understanding this that
- 1:00:11I I had no idea about. Because masters
- 1:00:13have a higher quality and quantity of
- 1:00:16metrics that they use to measure
- 1:00:18progress. And so, if I am trying to fix
- 1:00:21this function, I have nothing to know
- 1:00:23how well I'm doing. And so, a beginner
- 1:00:25will try to advertise, or will try to
- 1:00:27sell, and they will have binary
- 1:00:29outcomes. They'll just say, I didn't
- 1:00:30sell, or I did sell, or I got leads, or
- 1:00:32I didn't get leads. But, there are so
- 1:00:34many nuanced steps between that. And
- 1:00:37when you have the milestones, the
- 1:00:39progress markers, it allows you to fix
- 1:00:42things so you can keep moving the buck
- 1:00:43along until you get the outcome. And so,
- 1:00:45I'll tell you a story about this.
- 1:00:47So, when I was starting outbound, way
- 1:00:49back in the day,
- 1:00:51I it was a new channel for us, and I'd
- 1:00:53never done it. And about 90 days, or or
- 1:00:57or 4 months in, my executive team kind
- 1:01:00of did like an intervention. So, they
- 1:01:01came together, and it's like I was
- 1:01:02getting like a drug rehab, right? They
- 1:01:04were like, we think this is a problem.
- 1:01:06We think this is a shiny object. We
- 1:01:07think you're you're distracted, and we
- 1:01:09should double down on what works. I was
- 1:01:10like, how dare you use my words against
- 1:01:11me, right? And the thing is is that
- 1:01:14strategically, I knew we needed to have
- 1:01:15a second acquisition channel for us to
- 1:01:17sell the business. And so, I was like,
- 1:01:19no, it's because they could only see
- 1:01:22that we'd only done one sale in four
- 1:01:23months and 100% of my time was going
- 1:01:25towards this. But what they didn't see
- 1:01:27was all the progress that we were
- 1:01:28making. And so I had higher degrees of
- 1:01:31mastery in this. Now, to be fair, it was
- 1:01:32just because I had learned it along the
- 1:01:33way, but when it started it was like,
- 1:01:35"Okay, well, we have to get a list. So,
- 1:01:37where do we get the list?" So, we looked
- 1:01:38at you know, we bought a bunch of
- 1:01:39different lists. A lot of different
- 1:01:39lists didn't work. One of them did.
- 1:01:40We're like, "Okay, this is a good
- 1:01:41provider." And then we start, you know,
- 1:01:43like, "Oh, we got to enrich the data."
- 1:01:44So, we start learning how to enrich the
- 1:01:45data. Then we we started calling them,
- 1:01:46but then no one's picking up. And then
- 1:01:47we had to learn how call wrapping works.
- 1:01:49So, we get local numbers. Then all of a
- 1:01:50sudden people start picking up and then
- 1:01:51start hanging up on us. So, then we had
- 1:01:52to fix the the hook in the script. And
- 1:01:54then we fixed the hook in the script,
- 1:01:55people would make it a minute, but then
- 1:01:56they'd hang up on us. So, then we got we
- 1:01:57fixed the hook, and then we fixed the
- 1:01:58offer, and then people would then go to
- 1:01:59the second call, but then they weren't
- 1:02:01showing up for the second call. And so,
- 1:02:02it's like, we have to just keep moving
- 1:02:04the buck along the way. But if you
- 1:02:06looked at it two months in, it's like,
- 1:02:08you know, a heart surgery looks like
- 1:02:09murder to somebody from the outside who
- 1:02:11doesn't understand the milestones. And
- 1:02:13so, as you master something, if you
- 1:02:15don't know why something's not working,
- 1:02:16look closer. Look for the smaller
- 1:02:18attributes that you can actually zoom in
- 1:02:20on and say, "Okay, well,
- 1:02:22we'll get a sale eventually if we just
- 1:02:23keep moving in this direction." And so,
- 1:02:25look for directional correctness rather
- 1:02:27than binary. And so, this is a perfect
- 1:02:29example of masters have more leading
- 1:02:31indicators to success than beginners do.
- 1:02:34Beginners typically look at purely the
- 1:02:36lagging They just say churn is up. They
- 1:02:38sales are down. Revenue's down. Cash
- 1:02:39collection's down. Those are all lagging
- 1:02:41indicators. You can't If I looked at you
- 1:02:42and said, "Increase revenue." You can't
- 1:02:44do anything. If I said, "Decrease
- 1:02:45churn." You can't do anything with that.
- 1:02:46You would then have to do something
- 1:02:47else, and then the result would be a
- 1:02:49decrease in churn. The result would be
- 1:02:50more revenue. The result would be more
- 1:02:51sales. And so, we have to do we have to
- 1:02:54identify what all those steps are that
- 1:02:56are high correlates or increase the
- 1:02:58likelihood that ultimate outcome occurs.
- 1:03:00And if you liked these growth
- 1:03:01principles, you're absolutely going to
- 1:03:03love the 13 years of marketing lessons
- 1:03:05that I've learned. It's one of my top
- 1:03:06videos. Enjoy it.
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