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  27. 1:13Community welcome we're back access to
  28. 1:16democracy is back and Colleen rowy is
  29. 1:19back who is a favorite and longtime
  30. 1:22guest now really you've been coming here
  31. 1:24for quite a few years uh Colleen Raleigh
  32. 1:27whose name is really a household work
  33. 1:31uh who probably was not known for her 24
  34. 1:34years in the FBI but certainly became
  35. 1:36known when she became times person Time
  36. 1:39magazine's person of the year in
  37. 1:422002 and is really highly sought after
  38. 1:46uh for speaking engagements a social
  39. 1:48activist a protector of civil rights and
  40. 1:51individual rights and welcome back thank
  41. 1:54you for having me it's always a pleasure
  42. 1:57now today's New York Times had a front
  43. 1:59page P article on the uh foreign
  44. 2:03intelligence surveillance court and it
  45. 2:06pointed out that 11 of the 12 judges
  46. 2:09have been appointed by Chief Justice
  47. 2:11Roberts that they are all Republicans
  48. 2:15all conservative
  49. 2:17Republicans uh six of them actually
  50. 2:19worked in other
  51. 2:21administrations uh is it any surprise
  52. 2:24that anything that put goes before them
  53. 2:28is okay that of thousands of
  54. 2:31applications for
  55. 2:33surveillance they're all getting okay I
  56. 2:35think four out of 4,000 or something
  57. 2:37like that would turn down right um of
  58. 2:40course that's been the constant
  59. 2:41criticism is that in secrecy and there's
  60. 2:44no ability to make an U for it's exp
  61. 2:47parte so no one is able to make the
  62. 2:49opposite argument that it's basically a
  63. 2:51rubber stamp um I will say before 9/11
  64. 2:55um there were problems with the wall the
  65. 2:58sharing of intelligence with criminal
  66. 3:00matters and that is actually the reason
  67. 3:02why the case here in Minnesota did not
  68. 3:04go forward there was a career risk
  69. 3:06aversion in the FBI of even taking a
  70. 3:09case to the to the fisa court um the the
  71. 3:13applications for uh court orders and and
  72. 3:16to Monitor and to search have at least
  73. 3:19doubled since 9911 and they quickly
  74. 3:21doubled so you you not only you have the
  75. 3:23rubber stamping was around 900 before
  76. 3:26911 per year and that went up uh to uh
  77. 3:29to 1,800 or so so it's a large number
  78. 3:33and that doesn't even tell you
  79. 3:34everything because one order can
  80. 3:36actually Encompass a lot of different
  81. 3:38locations and as you see with this court
  82. 3:40order and the fisa court for the massive
  83. 3:42telephone that's everyone's telephone
  84. 3:45toll data so it's not just one uh you
  85. 3:47know piece of information well we're all
  86. 3:49our all our Communications apparently
  87. 3:52are being spied upon
  88. 3:54now we have drones that are FL fly
  89. 3:58flying around
  90. 4:00I was going to say floating around but
  91. 4:02flying around uh we have cell phones
  92. 4:07that are monitoring where we go uh where
  93. 4:11is the Privacy GPS systems um well there
  94. 4:15you know privacy is what they say has to
  95. 4:18be sacrificed for security and that is
  96. 4:20kind of the myth or what what you want
  97. 4:22to call the propaganda I call it a
  98. 4:23utilitarian proposition that is being uh
  99. 4:26put to the people that if you want
  100. 4:28security you're going to have to go
  101. 4:29along with giving up privacy it's
  102. 4:32actually worse than that because you
  103. 4:33know we're all walking through those
  104. 4:35monitors into the airports you know or
  105. 4:37they photograph our body cavities and
  106. 4:40you can't give up more privacy than that
  107. 4:42it's worse than that for democracy
  108. 4:44though and the title of your show access
  109. 4:45to democracy is important because we
  110. 4:48have the the founding fathers who
  111. 4:49understood that the checks and balances
  112. 4:51between the courts and the legislative
  113. 4:53and the executive power and then the
  114. 4:55fourth estate the freedom of press which
  115. 4:57is embodied in the First Amendment we
  116. 4:59are now looking and it's it's right on
  117. 5:01the line of of of of U losing the First
  118. 5:05Amendment and that would be freedom of
  119. 5:07the press how are we going to learn
  120. 5:09about these things the fourth the Fourth
  121. 5:12Amendment as well that's right searches
  122. 5:14and seizures and Fifth Amendment due
  123. 5:16process but the I'm I'm focused right
  124. 5:18now on the First Amendment because
  125. 5:20that's where you see the whistleblowers
  126. 5:21with Edward Snowden who are telling you
  127. 5:23know finally telling what's going on and
  128. 5:26then the administration overreacting and
  129. 5:30um and using these Draconian
  130. 5:33prosecutions under the Espionage Act as
  131. 5:36a AER and a better of the enemy and then
  132. 5:39applying that to journalists starting to
  133. 5:40apply that even to journalists there's a
  134. 5:42New York Times journalist who is being
  135. 5:44threatened right now with jail for not
  136. 5:47disclosing a source now one of the
  137. 5:50things that's always been sacran in this
  138. 5:53democracy is that the Press uh the
  139. 5:56freedom of the press really so much
  140. 5:58depends on it
  141. 6:00a journalist should not be expected to
  142. 6:02disclose a source well the court just
  143. 6:05held that there's no reporters privilege
  144. 6:08and that um that reporter is a Pulitzer
  145. 6:11prizewinning reporter um you know you
  146. 6:14can there's not that many good reporters
  147. 6:16right now actually a lot of them have
  148. 6:18either done the easy thing or become
  149. 6:20intimidated but the handful that are
  150. 6:22left uh people like Jane mayor that
  151. 6:24outed the black sits and the torture
  152. 6:26Dana priest at the Washington Post James
  153. 6:28R right at New York Times I mean they
  154. 6:31are the ones actually that this
  155. 6:33surveillance you know we we are we are
  156. 6:36just common citizens and so basically
  157. 6:38our info is just going into the storage
  158. 6:41of those massive computer systems the
  159. 6:43interesting individuals are the
  160. 6:46reporters because that is what the
  161. 6:48administration sees as the danger of
  162. 6:50getting out these so-called Secrets
  163. 6:53there's there's one thing I just got to
  164. 6:55jump in right here it's the opposite
  165. 6:57people believe that the secrecy is
  166. 6:59protecting them if you go back to before
  167. 7:01911 and you actually look at the um the
  168. 7:04inquiries one of the my memo led to a An
  169. 7:07Inspector General inquiry but there's
  170. 7:09the 911 Commission there's the we
  171. 7:11talking about the memo that you wrote to
  172. 7:13the FBI which was ignored which might
  173. 7:17have had an effect on 9/11 well my memo
  174. 7:20actually when it came to light wasn't
  175. 7:22ignored it led to this uh uh Inspector
  176. 7:25General investigation that went on for
  177. 7:27two years it came to light after right
  178. 7:29your superiors ignored it in the FBI
  179. 7:32well the superiors ignored the request
  180. 7:34for the fisa court of the agents before
  181. 7:36911 and there was a
  182. 7:39compartmentalization uh there was
  183. 7:40extreme secrecy uh this is exactly the
  184. 7:43opposite of what we're being told we're
  185. 7:45being told secrecy protects us what if
  186. 7:47the American public had known that
  187. 7:49Ashcraft in arguing with the head of the
  188. 7:52FBI in July of 2001 had said I don't
  189. 7:56want to ever hear about terrorism um
  190. 7:58that's actually the 9/11 commission you
  191. 8:01know these are the types of secrets that
  192. 8:03this secrecy is protecting and then you
  193. 8:05find out that uh memos were not even
  194. 8:07read in the FBI that that were said
  195. 8:10Osama Bin Laden heavily entwined with
  196. 8:12the Chan terrorists uh they're going to
  197. 8:14attack that went to our FBI director
  198. 8:17Louis free and eight of his assistants
  199. 8:19they claimed they never read the memo so
  200. 8:22this flood of of intelligence and some
  201. 8:24of these pieces of intelligence were
  202. 8:26very important um that came in before
  203. 8:29911 can you imagine what it is now when
  204. 8:32they have started the massive top secret
  205. 8:34America and then it's all covered with
  206. 8:36secrecy don't we have almost a half a
  207. 8:38million people who are in
  208. 8:42surveillance uh who have top secret
  209. 8:45clearance uh do we need a half a million
  210. 8:49people uh spying on us in effect it it
  211. 8:52it it's a little higher than half a
  212. 8:54million The Washington Post in 2010
  213. 8:57counted nearly a million the last last
  214. 8:59figure I've heard of people with just
  215. 9:01clearances which could be top secret or
  216. 9:03something less 4 and A5 million you're
  217. 9:06talking 1,200 public agencies you know
  218. 9:09there's the top 16 CIA NSA FBI but
  219. 9:12there's also 1,200 more public ones some
  220. 9:15of them are small then there's 1,00
  221. 9:18private contractors and that really
  222. 9:20scares me more than anything because who
  223. 9:23are these people who are these
  224. 9:24contractors how are they vetted how do
  225. 9:26we know uh really uh what their
  226. 9:30backgrounds are they're not we're
  227. 9:32relying on what the contractor says and
  228. 9:36that's a very dangerous Prof and then it
  229. 9:39goes back to Eisenhower's warning about
  230. 9:40the military-industrial complex there's
  231. 9:42a whole new national security
  232. 9:44surveillance complex and they the those
  233. 9:471900 are in it for the money uh they're
  234. 9:49in it to make profits and of course this
  235. 9:51higher technology with drone
  236. 9:53surveillance and and the computer
  237. 9:55storage and and all this Digital
  238. 9:57Collection GPS tracking
  239. 10:00uh so the the common citizen right now
  240. 10:03is not doing well um the courts are not
  241. 10:06allowing the ACU lawsuits to even be
  242. 10:09heard they're they're dismissing the
  243. 10:11lawsuits based on technical reasons like
  244. 10:13lack of standing or uh State Secrets
  245. 10:17privilege there's a couple of things but
  246. 10:18they're not even hearing them on the
  247. 10:19merits right now so this this is really
  248. 10:22um a telling uh sign that our our checks
  249. 10:26and balances are out of out way out of
  250. 10:29wh
  251. 10:30really threatens the very foundations of
  252. 10:32our democracy now we had eight years of
  253. 10:35George W bush uh I was not disappointed
  254. 10:39in George W bush because I expected
  255. 10:41nothing good to come from that
  256. 10:44Administration uh and it didn't uh I I
  257. 10:48expected him to go to the right I
  258. 10:50expected him to trample uh civil
  259. 10:53liberties uh but we have moved now to
  260. 10:57Obama and I am terribly
  261. 10:59disappointed in the fact that Obama
  262. 11:02seems to have
  263. 11:04perpetuated uh what Bush did uh he put
  264. 11:08Eric Holder in charge of the justice
  265. 11:10department who I I think if not a
  266. 11:13complete failure certainly is close to
  267. 11:16it he hasn't prosecuted who should be
  268. 11:19prosecuted uh he finally did something
  269. 11:22today uh at somebody's urging about the
  270. 11:25state of Texas and voting rights but
  271. 11:27that's another thing that's being taken
  272. 11:29away from the people and the justice
  273. 11:32department pretty much has sat on its
  274. 11:33hands also well Obama had a a carryover
  275. 11:37from the Bush Administration he used
  276. 11:39John Brennan who was the one of the main
  277. 11:42figures involved with the black sites
  278. 11:44and the kidnappings and the CIA
  279. 11:45Renditions and then John Brennan became
  280. 11:48the Drone assassination are under Obama
  281. 11:51Obama did a real good job as in in his
  282. 11:54campaign of speaking truth to power he
  283. 11:57claimed he wanted to protect
  284. 11:58whistleblowers
  285. 11:59he uh you know he voted actually against
  286. 12:02I'm trying to think he had some key
  287. 12:03votes uh he did vote for the for the
  288. 12:05nsa's monitoring I know he finally
  289. 12:08capitulated on this but he did vote
  290. 12:09against a couple of um of key moments
  291. 12:12where he when he was still a senator
  292. 12:14okay he gets into power and I think it's
  293. 12:16just the switcheroo he's become a
  294. 12:18corporatist right and and it's a vested
  295. 12:21interest because the all of the money
  296. 12:23and the power is on this side and I
  297. 12:24think that any I think our next
  298. 12:26president I don't care what party will
  299. 12:28probably be worse
  300. 12:29because until we can fix the uh problems
  301. 12:32underlying problems in the in this
  302. 12:34Corruption of the military industrial
  303. 12:36national security surveillance uh we
  304. 12:39have some hope right now there was a
  305. 12:41vote uh two days ago and it was only 12
  306. 12:44votes shy of at least fixing part of
  307. 12:47that NSA which shows you that when
  308. 12:49there's a the media you know put the
  309. 12:51story out and the people read the story
  310. 12:53at least there was some impetus for a
  311. 12:55while but the media has been so weak I
  312. 12:57mean you talked about three
  313. 12:59investigative journalists to get good
  314. 13:03investigative journalists today we we
  315. 13:06certainly can't rely on the big sources
  316. 13:10the networks forget about it uh most of
  317. 13:12the newspapers forget about it uh we're
  318. 13:16certainly not going to go to Fox for
  319. 13:17investigative journalism or MSNBC
  320. 13:21although they do have a couple of people
  321. 13:23there with courage and backbone but
  322. 13:26still uh it's magazines and it's small
  323. 13:29vehicles that seem to be doing the the
  324. 13:32grunt work that's enabling us to find
  325. 13:35some of these things out and at danger
  326. 13:38to themselves also yeah that's correct
  327. 13:40and you know again it's the sponsorship
  328. 13:43uh of the news and I'm I'm sure that's a
  329. 13:45big factor I think there is hope though
  330. 13:48that maybe with this last uh threat for
  331. 13:50instance of ryzen that maybe for
  332. 13:52instance the New York Times understands
  333. 13:54now what is on the line This is actually
  334. 13:57now freedom of the press that is on the
  335. 13:58line
  336. 13:59and at that point you know they they
  337. 14:01might become stronger and finally see
  338. 14:03that this is something that they have to
  339. 14:05encourage the writers will do it if
  340. 14:07their bosses will let them and will
  341. 14:09encourage them so it kind of goes all
  342. 14:11the way to the top and uh you know we
  343. 14:13have to hope we can get a press back um
  344. 14:16that there there's alternative press and
  345. 14:17you know whatever and you have to read
  346. 14:19unbelievable amount in order to finally
  347. 14:22kind of put it all together to really
  348. 14:24understand as a critical thinker what's
  349. 14:25going on yeah you can't pick up the
  350. 14:27newspaper uh I remember when I was a kid
  351. 14:32we had about in New York we had about 10
  352. 14:35daily papers we're down to what
  353. 14:38two uh three the post which is not
  354. 14:42certainly a vehicle for journalism The
  355. 14:44Daily News same thing and the New York
  356. 14:47Times you have to go elsewhere and the
  357. 14:50times uh which had backbone certainly
  358. 14:55has seen readership falling and that
  359. 14:57affects the bottom line and and then the
  360. 14:59pressure gets put on y yeah now you had
  361. 15:02a an article in the New York Times just
  362. 15:06a few days ago questions for the New FBI
  363. 15:10director right uh in his nomination
  364. 15:13hearings and you had 10 points that you
  365. 15:16wanted him toh be asked by Congress and
  366. 15:19we'll see if anybody has the courage to
  367. 15:20ask them but well they they had a 2 and
  368. 15:23a half hour hearing and uh there were a
  369. 15:26lot there were quite a few that asked
  370. 15:27the questions about his authorization of
  371. 15:29water boarding and they forced James
  372. 15:31Comey who will probably be they haven't
  373. 15:34had the full vote yet but he's been
  374. 15:35voted out of committee um he uh had to
  375. 15:39admit unlike Muki that water boarding is
  376. 15:41torture then Senator Franken went even a
  377. 15:44step further I think Senator Franken
  378. 15:46actually did one of the better jobs of
  379. 15:48questioning and he went a step further
  380. 15:49and read the whole gory gruesome
  381. 15:52description of sleep deprivation uh
  382. 15:54people think Oh missing a couple hours
  383. 15:56of sleep no it's being shed Shackled to
  384. 15:59the floor your arms Shackled to the
  385. 16:01ceiling you get this much room small
  386. 16:03amount of room you have to wear a diaper
  387. 16:06and it's for up to 180 hours 7 and a
  388. 16:09half days and when he read that he
  389. 16:12turned to Comey and he says isn't that
  390. 16:14torture and he forced uh Comey then to
  391. 16:16admit also that sleep deprivation is
  392. 16:18torture so while he admitted those
  393. 16:21things he could not really explain why
  394. 16:24he had signed off on them and he had
  395. 16:26signed off on these harsh so-called
  396. 16:29enhanced interrogation tactics in 2005
  397. 16:32right before he left he had also signed
  398. 16:35off on the the warrantless
  399. 16:36monitoring that's ones that really
  400. 16:39concerned me also and he had actually
  401. 16:41signed off on um what's the other one
  402. 16:43there was a third one that he signed off
  403. 16:45on use of drones uh no that was just
  404. 16:48starting I mean I'm sure he went along
  405. 16:50with it too but the the warrantless
  406. 16:53monitoring people had a misunderstanding
  407. 16:56because they knew the story of him in
  408. 16:58the uh hospital room with ashof very
  409. 17:01sick and Bush sending his men there to
  410. 17:04get ashc that was his moment of Glory
  411. 17:07well they know the media played it up
  412. 17:09they made it very dramatic as if he had
  413. 17:11stood up to Bush well there there was a
  414. 17:13lot more to that story the very next
  415. 17:16morning after the hospital room scene
  416. 17:18Bush called him in Comey and there's a
  417. 17:20private conversation that he refuses to
  418. 17:22talk about uh Bush also called in Robert
  419. 17:25Mueller on they he talked to them
  420. 17:27separately and somehow that warrantless
  421. 17:30monitoring continued bush first of all
  422. 17:32continued it without ashcraft's uh
  423. 17:35signature and it's my kind of you know
  424. 17:38read reading between the lines and
  425. 17:40deducing that what they were really
  426. 17:42arguing about at the time was the
  427. 17:44rationale for the monitoring Bush uh
  428. 17:47under John Yu had him compartmentalized
  429. 17:50and he had this idea of expanded
  430. 17:52inherent executive power well John Yu
  431. 17:55was the fellow who authorized just about
  432. 17:57anything in terms of torture
  433. 17:59right he was working with I think
  434. 18:01Genie's uh Addington they were working
  435. 18:03together with people in the
  436. 18:04administration and was very tightly held
  437. 18:07there were times when even for instance
  438. 18:08the NSA legal council was not privy to
  439. 18:11what John Yu was writing uh so this was
  440. 18:14you talk about secrecy this wasn't
  441. 18:16secrecy from the citizens it was even
  442. 18:18secrecy inside of the office of legal
  443. 18:20councel well we have so many different
  444. 18:23aspects or departments or areas of
  445. 18:26government that one does not necess
  446. 18:28neily know what the other is doing well
  447. 18:31this was deliberately this was not an
  448. 18:34accident um you know when the nsa's
  449. 18:36monitoring Authority is expanded
  450. 18:38overnight as it was after 911 and the
  451. 18:41Ansa legal council has not even cut into
  452. 18:43it that was deliberate and that was
  453. 18:45because they were doing these things
  454. 18:47under these novel theories of inherent
  455. 18:50executive power what happened is uh this
  456. 18:53Goldsmith came in in 2003 or four and he
  457. 18:57started to look then at some of those
  458. 18:59prior theories one was the torture memo
  459. 19:01that John Yu had written but then also
  460. 19:03the NSA and then he started to question
  461. 19:06and what they did though is I think they
  462. 19:08switched the legal Theory to now uh
  463. 19:11being justified by the authorization to
  464. 19:13use military force how does somebody
  465. 19:16become a member of the
  466. 19:19NSA well probably recruit them now I
  467. 19:23mean they recruit FBI agents they
  468. 19:25recruit CIA agents but I've never read
  469. 19:28any anything about the recruitment of
  470. 19:30NSA well I know one most secretive
  471. 19:32agency uh Keith Alexander who is the
  472. 19:34current head of uh the NSA and he's also
  473. 19:37a fourstar general he's also the Cyber
  474. 19:39War Commander he's actually been to
  475. 19:42hackers conferences and he wore blue
  476. 19:44jeans and he was one of the Keynotes for
  477. 19:46one of these hacker things and he's
  478. 19:49actually going there to recruit people
  479. 19:51to join because they need people with
  480. 19:53computer skills and so where you going
  481. 19:55to get computer skills thank you Edward
  482. 19:57Snowden well Edward Snowden wasn't he
  483. 19:59actually joined out of the military you
  484. 20:01know so they they FBI CIA they get
  485. 20:05people I think from all different walks
  486. 20:06of of life and they need different
  487. 20:09skills the NSA needs math they have a
  488. 20:12certain skill set they need mathematics
  489. 20:14and they need computer high-tech uh
  490. 20:16engineering type Josh I hope you're
  491. 20:17listening in the uh in the control
  492. 20:22room Josh is a computer whiz oh the the
  493. 20:26CIA for instance have two types of of
  494. 20:28people they're recruiting they recruit
  495. 20:30very smart Professor types for their
  496. 20:32intelligence analysts and then they
  497. 20:34recruit for their operatives the more
  498. 20:37Reckless uh you know uh you know what
  499. 20:39you think of a James Bond types you know
  500. 20:42the the the Daredevil types and then we
  501. 20:45have people who are recruited for their
  502. 20:47intelligence who get pushed too far as
  503. 20:49you were and who have to come out and
  504. 20:53then get skewered by the administration
  505. 20:56by the people that you worked for for
  506. 20:57doing what the conscience should tell
  507. 21:00you to do in the first place you know I
  508. 21:03think I had a unique career because when
  509. 21:04I joined it was just two years after the
  510. 21:07fisa law had gone into effect and I
  511. 21:09actually had some retired a retiring
  512. 21:12agents they had gone through the coel
  513. 21:14pro under Hoover and in fact one guy had
  514. 21:16his supervisor had been indicted or had
  515. 21:18gotten into trouble with all of the
  516. 21:20black bag jobs and the the monitoring of
  517. 21:24Martin Luther King and they went after
  518. 21:26black panthers even feminists well that
  519. 21:28a lot of them went along with it of
  520. 21:30course because they were you know
  521. 21:31collecting salaries and it was easy work
  522. 21:33but I got warned actually when I first
  523. 21:35joined the FBI that this was Dumb and
  524. 21:37never to go do that again then I taught
  525. 21:40constitutional law in the FBI for 13
  526. 21:42years if you knew how I focused and it
  527. 21:46wasn't just me there were 56 offices and
  528. 21:48we were all doing this focusing on the
  529. 21:50technicalities of the Miranda Rights
  530. 21:53okay now we're talking not even having
  531. 21:54due process you don't even get your day
  532. 21:56in court you don't even get charg
  533. 21:59uh I just remember the third thing with
  534. 22:01Comey indefinite detention he was the
  535. 22:04spokesperson for the Padilla case an
  536. 22:06American citizen held three over three
  537. 22:09years in a brri without even being
  538. 22:12charged no no defense without counil
  539. 22:15exactly without contact with family
  540. 22:17right Franken uh again Senator Franken
  541. 22:20hammered him on that and he did a really
  542. 22:21good job and and he still defends this
  543. 22:24he says this is necessary Al Franken has
  544. 22:27really become one of the the strongest
  545. 22:29voices in the Senate uh there aren't too
  546. 22:32many you know uh would that we still had
  547. 22:38uh some people who have been in the past
  548. 22:42who were not afraid to speak up but
  549. 22:45Franken Bernie Sanders is another one
  550. 22:48but there aren't too
  551. 22:50many no and when it push comes to shove
  552. 22:53on these votes you know it's just kind
  553. 22:54of I mean that on the ndaa there were 14
  554. 22:57it Frank was one of the 14 but in the
  555. 23:00final analysis they all voted to let it
  556. 23:02happen so and they need to keep pushing
  557. 23:05right now there's a moment because of
  558. 23:06the the public has learned that you know
  559. 23:09we're supposed to be the enemy we're
  560. 23:10considered the potential enemy this
  561. 23:12we're you're spying on us American
  562. 23:14citizens you're saying you can put us
  563. 23:16into indefinite detention uh the lawsuit
  564. 23:18that was just dismissed was one uh
  565. 23:20challenging indefinite Detention of
  566. 23:22Americans the filibuster that Rand Paul
  567. 23:25had was on drone bombing of American
  568. 23:27citizens well even Rand Paul can do
  569. 23:30something right once in a while but when
  570. 23:32when we realize it's us and not just
  571. 23:34some enemy and a far away country I
  572. 23:37think that there is a chance now for
  573. 23:38these things to finally be rectified and
  574. 23:40changed do we have the right to order a
  575. 23:43drone kill on an American citizen I mean
  576. 23:46we did that on an alleged quote unquote
  577. 23:49terrorist and he probably was a
  578. 23:51terrorist but we also took out his
  579. 23:5316-year-old son uh Collateral Damage I
  580. 23:57mean it just frightens me as to how far
  581. 24:01we can go and get away with this I've
  582. 24:04read the white paper several times and
  583. 24:06in fact in John Brennan's confirmation
  584. 24:08it's on the record uh we submitted I
  585. 24:11don't know 50 60 questions for John
  586. 24:13Brennan based on the Drone assassination
  587. 24:16policy in that white paper it does not
  588. 24:18hold water I mean I have talked to some
  589. 24:20law professors now unfortunately some
  590. 24:22law professors are going along with it
  591. 24:25but you know you cannot without due
  592. 24:27process well see also Barack Obama who
  593. 24:29was a constitutional law professor and
  594. 24:32the the idea that the world is a battle
  595. 24:34place you don't have to declare war on a
  596. 24:37given country or say that that country
  597. 24:39is a you know a nation state that you're
  598. 24:41at war with you say that the whole world
  599. 24:43is a battlefield and that we're just
  600. 24:45picking people off all over I mean that
  601. 24:47theory is incredible it's it's out of
  602. 24:50Science Fiction but that is what they is
  603. 24:52in the white people it's out of Science
  604. 24:53Fiction but you know if you see a drone
  605. 24:55overhead you wonder if it's for you
  606. 24:57that's right the imminent threat
  607. 24:59imminent has been re uh defined uh to
  608. 25:02mean that is if that if you think that
  609. 25:04will eventually happen there's no human
  610. 25:07ability to predict what is what is a
  611. 25:10threat I mean if it if somebody's
  612. 25:11shooting at you yes you know they're a
  613. 25:13threat but to say that uh this person
  614. 25:15sleeping in bed right now next week is
  615. 25:18going to be a threat to me so I get to
  616. 25:20kill him now that's incredible and it's
  617. 25:23Minority Report that's what it is uh
  618. 25:25really the movie is then personified in
  619. 25:28life and it's pretty scary there there's
  620. 25:31another thing I've written about with
  621. 25:32respect to the um the uh course the New
  622. 25:36York Times one was about James comey's
  623. 25:38confirmation and the CNN I wrote about
  624. 25:40CNN massive spying on Americans is
  625. 25:43outrageous right that's on that's
  626. 25:45another recent one that you and and then
  627. 25:47the the third one I wrote about over two
  628. 25:49years ago when it was first announced
  629. 25:51was The Insider threat program so the
  630. 25:54very first I mean this was after
  631. 25:56Wikileaks in Bradley Manning OMB put out
  632. 25:59guidance that inside the government you
  633. 26:01were to be spying on your co-workers and
  634. 26:04and try to tell who would be the
  635. 26:06disgruntled employee who could become a
  636. 26:08leaker and there's now a formal program
  637. 26:11set up there are uh every every agency
  638. 26:14has a kind of an internal affairs called
  639. 26:16The Insider threat program what does
  640. 26:18this remind you of by the way does this
  641. 26:20remind you 1984 big brother and and and
  642. 26:23what we used to hear about the Soviet
  643. 26:25Union and the block and the stazzy
  644. 26:27there's no way if you think about it the
  645. 26:30people who are submitting suggestions
  646. 26:32for improvement I actually submitted
  647. 26:33suggestions from time to time we had
  648. 26:35something called the suggestion program
  649. 26:37well they're going to be targeted now is
  650. 26:39if they are the disgruntled employees uh
  651. 26:41that will become a a leaker or a tra
  652. 26:44people will be afraid to make
  653. 26:45suggestions to improve systems right
  654. 26:48that will help make us a better country
  655. 26:51and and when when we had true spies in
  656. 26:53the 80s we had I mean for one uh Robert
  657. 26:56Hansen in the FBI he went like 20 years
  658. 26:58spying and he was actually giving up
  659. 27:01double agents that were getting murdered
  660. 27:03they knew there was an FBI spy they they
  661. 27:06uh targeted lots of other people except
  662. 27:08for Robert Hansen in fact Robert Hansen
  663. 27:11was put in charge of the task force to
  664. 27:15look for the spy in the FBI and he was
  665. 27:17the spy and he was and then we have the
  666. 27:19other side of the coin uh with Cheney
  667. 27:23who really I believe was the brain
  668. 27:25behind the bush Administration taking
  669. 27:28a legitimate spy somebody who had done a
  670. 27:32lot of things Valerie PL to help this
  671. 27:35country to bring this country back to
  672. 27:37where it was and he outs her so that it
  673. 27:40ends her career now I know that Cheney
  674. 27:43was not prosecuted for it but uh and
  675. 27:45scooter liby got I'm going to be
  676. 27:47prosecuted by the control room because
  677. 27:49we we already ran through a half an hour
  678. 27:52uh so fast and we have so much more to
  679. 27:54talk about well we need citizens to get
  680. 27:57talking about these things get right
  681. 27:59letter writing uh write op ads and and
  682. 28:02educate your fellow citizens Colleen
  683. 28:05rally always a pleasure to sit and chat
  684. 28:09with you and we we we have to do it more
  685. 28:12often than once a year uh which is about
  686. 28:14what we have been doing but we have to
  687. 28:17and well let's hope the next time we get
  688. 28:18together we can talk about good news you
  689. 28:21you are access to democracy thank you
  690. 28:23thank you
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  693. 28:30[Music]
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  695. 28:48[Applause]
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