$60 Debt Turns Deadly | Jerry Alford Jr. Interrogation — Transcript

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1. 0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
2. 0:02and educational purposes only. All
3. 0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
4. 0:06proven guilty in a court of law.
5. 0:08[snorts] Any footage used in this video
6. 0:10is obtained through public records and
7. 0:12falls under fair use for the purpose of
8. 0:13reporting, analysis, and public
9. 0:15interest.
10. 0:17>> Okay, dude. You're up for aggravated
11. 0:18murder.
12. 0:19>> I know, but I didn't know it.
13. 0:21>> Yes. You charging me for murder?
14. 0:22>> Yeah.
15. 0:23>> Yeah. On the night of November 16th,
16. 0:262017, [music] 57-year-old Derek
17. 0:28Alexander walked out of the Bajoo
18. 0:30Convenience Store on West Market Street
19. 0:32with two men shadowing him. Surveillance
20. 0:35footage showed them following him
21. 0:36inside, [music] watching his movements,
22. 0:38and then trailing him as he stepped back
23. 0:40into the cold Akran air. One was a man
24. 0:43known on the streets as Raleigh, [music]
25. 0:45later identified as 35-year-old Jerry D.
26. 0:47Alfred Jr. The other was his companion,
27. 0:5034year-old Dexter Moore, [music] who
28. 0:52stayed close behind. Hours earlier,
29. 0:55Alexander had confided to a family
30. 0:56member that Raleigh had threatened to
31. 0:58shoot him over a $60 debt. A warning
32. 1:01that had left him uneasy, but not enough
33. 1:02to keep him from leaving home that
34. 1:04evening. As he [music] made his way
35. 1:06toward Oakdale Avenue, the tension from
36. 1:08that simmering dispute followed him
37. 1:10through the neighborhood, carried by the
38. 1:12same two men captured on [music] camera.
39. 1:14What happened next occurred just steps
40. 1:16from Alexander's home. A confrontation
41. 1:19involving both Alford and Moore, [music]
42. 1:21rooted in a small debt that had spiraled
43. 1:23into something far more dangerous. The
44. 1:25[music] events of that night would
45. 1:26launch a major investigation, bring both
46. 1:29men into police custody, and lead
47. 1:31detectives [music] to sit across from
48. 1:32the man Alexander feared most. These are
49. 1:35the interrogations of Jerry Alford Jr.
50. 1:37and Dexter Moore.
51. 1:41>> Jerry
52. 1:43rolling.
53. 1:46Oh, he's got a sleep app.
54. 1:50Hey.
55. 1:52Yeah. Gary, wake up, my man. How's it
56. 1:56going?
57. 1:56>> How you doing?
58. 1:59Detective D. This is Detective Hannah.
59. 2:03YOU GOT SLEEP APNNEA, DON'T YOU?
60. 2:08Little time.
61. 2:15I'm going to read you this first. I'm
62. 2:16going to go over this first and then
63. 2:18we'll get into what we're going to talk
64. 2:19about. All right. Okay. You understand?
65. 2:22You with me? Okay.
66. 2:25Those are Miranda warnings. You have the
67. 2:27right to remain silent. Anything you say
68. 2:29can and will be used against you in a
69. 2:30court of law. You have the right to talk
70. 2:32to a lawyer and have him or her present
71. 2:34with you while you're being questioned.
72. 2:36If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer,
73. 2:38one will be appointed to represent you
74. 2:40before any question. If you wish and you
75. 2:42can decide at any time, exercise his
76. 2:44rights and not make answer any questions
77. 2:46or make any statements. You understand
78. 2:48each of those I read to you.
79. 2:51I need a yes or no, Jerry.
80. 2:54>> Not an English help. Yes or no?
81. 2:56>> Yep.
82. 2:57>> Okay. You understand the English
83. 2:58language,
84. 3:00right? Did you graduate high school? I
85. 3:04don't care what grade you give it to.
86. 3:06>> Seventh.
87. 3:07>> Seventh.
88. 3:11What happened, man?
89. 3:14H
90. 3:16>> rough life.
91. 3:17>> I see. Okay.
92. 3:19You know why you're here? I appreciate
93. 3:21you turning yourself in. Okay.
94. 3:24On a Friday like this. So, so what
95. 3:27happened? Tell me what happened, man.
96. 3:29What happened at the Bajo the night of
97. 3:31the 16th? November 16th.
98. 3:34>> I don't know what happened.
99. 3:35>> Come on, Gary. I don't.
100. 3:39>> Jerry, we have you on video.
101. 3:42>> I was there, but I ain't do nothing
102. 3:43[ __ ] I ain't saying I wasn't at the
103. 3:46store.
104. 3:48>> So, what time were you at the store?
105. 3:49Let's go there.
106. 3:50>> I was at this that store all day that
107. 3:52day. I kept going back and forth. So, me
108. 3:55pick a time.
109. 3:57>> Okay. What time were you there last?
110. 4:00>> Oh, came I came up there. Um, no. I came
111. 4:04there after that, too, I think. But I
112. 4:08came there when the police was outside.
113. 4:10>> Well, before the police got there. What
114. 4:12time were you there?
115. 4:14>> Uh,
116. 4:17I was I was there a couple times. I
117. 4:19don't know. Like I said, I was there a
118. 4:21couple times.
119. 4:22>> Who were you with?
120. 4:24>> I was by myself and it was a bunch of
121. 4:26people outside. I mean, I was by myself.
122. 4:28I wasn't with nobody. [snorts] Okay.
123. 4:32But you know this ain't going to help
124. 4:33you cuz we got multiple people telling
125. 4:35us that Rolley did it. Rolley did it.
126. 4:38Roly did it. Do we?
127. 4:40>> So this is your time to help yourself by
128. 4:42telling us what happened.
129. 4:44>> I don't know what happened.
130. 4:47>> Roly, you know what happened.
131. 4:51Come on.
132. 4:51>> I don't know what happened.
133. 4:53>> Something happened. What happened?
134. 4:55>> I don't know.
135. 4:57>> Okay.
136. 4:59You know, you knew Derek, right?
137. 5:01>> I come back up there and sh it's it's a
138. 5:04crime scene and somebody got shot. I
139. 5:06left out that place. Then we go handle
140. 5:08some business.
141. 5:09>> Jerry, you knew Derek, right?
142. 5:11>> No, I don't I don't know Derek.
143. 5:13>> You don't know Derek at all?
144. 5:15>> No.
145. 5:16>> Derek didn't owe you money.
146. 5:18>> No.
147. 5:18>> You don't know Derek Alexander?
148. 5:21>> No.
149. 5:22>> The man that you are charged with
150. 5:24killing. You telling me you don't know
151. 5:26him?
152. 5:27>> I don't know him. I might have seen him.
153. 5:29You're going to go You're going to go
154. 5:30with the turtle defense. You're going to
155. 5:32stick your head in the sand and hope
156. 5:34that it works out, which is a bad idea.
157. 5:38>> You don't know Derek Alexander.
158. 5:39>> I just told you I don't know the man. I
159. 5:41might have seen him, but I don't know
160. 5:43him.
161. 5:44>> He didn't know you money.
162. 5:46>> He don't owe me no money.
163. 5:48>> You weren't going around telling people
164. 5:49that he owed you money.
165. 5:51>> No.
166. 5:52>> That's why we're here.
167. 5:53>> So all these people are It's all
168. 5:55conspiracy against you.
169. 5:57>> Yeah.
170. 5:59But you were there. You were there after
171. 6:00the cops were there. Before and after
172. 6:02the cops were there.
173. 6:05You don't know Derek Alexander. He owe
174. 6:06you any money. How'd you know you had a
175. 6:08warrant? Cuz it was on Facebook.
176. 6:16[sighs]
177. 6:19>> The turtle defense is not going to work
178. 6:20good for you, Jerry.
179. 6:21>> Yeah.
180. 6:23>> We got you on video. Turtle turtle
181. 6:25defense.
182. 6:25>> We got you on video, man. I didn't do I
183. 6:27didn't never say I wasn't at that store.
184. 6:29>> We have video. We have eyewitnesses. We
185. 6:32have physical evidence.
186. 6:34>> We'll take you to the counter, man. Give
187. 6:35me a lawyer.
188. 6:38>> Nothing else to say.
189. 6:39>> All right. All right.
190. 6:42All right.
191. 6:43>> Trying to tell you.
192. 6:46>> It's cool. It ain't personal. Doing his
193. 6:48job. Jerry's trying to help you out.
194. 6:50>> Well, you I mean, you ain't listening to
195. 6:51me, so it's nothing to talk about. What?
196. 6:54Well, we're listening to you, but you're
197. 6:55telling us the story, bro.
198. 6:58>> No, I'm telling you the truth.
199. 7:00>> You said you if you come you were there
200. 7:03before and after you all day that day.
201. 7:06>> You don't know Derek. You don't know
202. 7:07Derek Alexander. You don't
203. 7:10>> know that man like that.
204. 7:13I ain't never said I ain't seen you, but
205. 7:15I don't know him.
206. 7:17>> Shoot him.
207. 7:18>> No, I did not shoot that guy.
208. 7:21>> Yeah. So, you want a lawyer? We'll get
209. 7:24you a lawyer. Get your account. Okay.
210. 7:25>> You know what I'm talking? That's fine.
211. 7:27That's the That's better. Ain't nothing
212. 7:28to talk about. I had to do it.
213. 7:30>> Okay.
214. 7:31>> You're up for aggravated murder.
215. 7:32>> I know. But you understand what that is?
216. 7:34>> Yes. You charging me for murder?
217. 7:35>> Yeah.
218. 7:36>> Yeah.
219. 7:36>> So, if I was innocent, the wrong person.
220. 7:39>> If I was innocent, I would be trying to
221. 7:40hardest to tell everything I know about
222. 7:42what happened that night.
223. 7:44>> I don't know about that day, man.
224. 7:46>> That ain't going to fly, man. It ain't
225. 7:48going to fly.
226. 7:49>> We got multiple witnesses. We got your
227. 7:51DNA. We got physical evidence at the
228. 7:53scene. We got the video.
229. 7:54>> I don't know what happened, bro. I'm
230. 7:56just telling you that day I was I was
231. 7:58back and forth that day from that store
232. 8:01and I was looking for my phone cuz I had
233. 8:03lost it. But other than that, [ __ ] I
234. 8:05don't know what happened, man. [ __ ] I
235. 8:07come back up there. I come back up
236. 8:09there. I I go catch catch my play and
237. 8:12buy me some smoke. I come back. Said
238. 8:14it's a crime scene. Somebody got shot.
239. 8:16Like what man? Who somebody little
240. 8:19dudes?
241. 8:21I'm busting out. Not me. I'm not going
242. 8:24to kill nobody, bro.
243. 8:25>> So why you going by roly? What? Why you
244. 8:27go by ry? Just just
245. 8:29>> I don't go by roy.
246. 8:30>> Hm.
247. 8:31>> I don't go by roy.
248. 8:32>> Oh, now you want to play that turtle
249. 8:34game, too?
250. 8:34>> No, I'm not playing no turtle game.
251. 8:37>> YES, YOU ARE. I'VE SHOWN SO MANY
252. 8:39PICTURES OF you from our video and guess
253. 8:41what everybody says? That's Roly. That's
254. 8:43Roly. I don't care about what nobody
255. 8:45said.
256. 8:46>> I KNOW YOU DON'T. I CAN SEE THAT. Like a
257. 8:48fool saying, "Oh, that's your
258. 8:50>> You're not going to admit your
259. 8:51nickname's Roly."
260. 8:52>> Famous.
261. 8:54>> Oh, you're famous now.
262. 8:55>> That's my nickname. Yeah. Famous. Rolex.
263. 8:58>> All right. Roly famous. I'm going to put
264. 8:59Rolly Famous. We're going to leave.
265. 9:01>> Say my nickname. Say it right. It's
266. 9:03Rolex. It ain't Ro.
267. 9:05>> Well, everybody's giving us Roelly.
268. 9:07>> Rolex.
269. 9:08>> So, they're missing the X on the
270. 9:09obviously they don't know what you're
271. 9:11>> Yeah. They probably got to look
272. 9:12something up somewhere loose.
273. 9:13>> Uh-huh. So,
274. 9:16>> so you lost your phone, huh? That's what
275. 9:18you were looking for.
276. 9:20>> Where'd you lose your phone at?
277. 9:22>> I don't know where I lost it at, but
278. 9:24>> Where do you think you lost it at?
279. 9:26>> Somewhere on Oakdale.
280. 9:27>> Huh.
281. 9:28>> Going to the store.
282. 9:30>> Okay.
283. 9:31>> All right.
284. 9:32>> All right. Well, you you want we'll get
285. 9:33you a lawyer. We'll send you the county
286. 9:35and and it'll play itself out in court.
287. 9:37>> Yeah.
288. 9:38>> That's your constitutional right, man.
289. 9:40We're [clears throat] we're we're just
290. 9:41doing our job. It ain't personal.
291. 9:42>> I know y'all doing your job.
292. 9:44>> So, I hope y'all find the mother that
293. 9:46did it, bro.
294. 9:47>> Well, we did. You're sitting right here.
295. 9:49>> But we just would like to know from you
296. 9:51what why did it happen?
297. 9:53>> Wasn't me, bro.
298. 9:54>> I did not kill that man.
299. 9:56>> It wasn't so I mean, what happened?
300. 9:58>> Was there something? I was not there.
301. 10:01>> Well, you were at the store before and
302. 10:03after.
303. 10:04>> Yeah, I was at that store, but I came
304. 10:05out. I left.
305. 10:06>> Lost your phone. And
306. 10:08>> I came out and I left.
307. 10:11famous.
308. 10:12>> Rolex Rolex. Yeah,
309. 10:14>> Rolex.
310. 10:15>> Rolex.
311. 10:16>> All right. [snorts]
312. 10:18>> All right. So, you don't got nothing
313. 10:19else to tell us?
314. 10:21>> Before we leave, cuz when we leave out
315. 10:22this room, remember San County. That's
316. 10:24it.
317. 10:24>> All right.
318. 10:25>> Huh?
319. 10:26>> All right.
320. 10:27>> All right.
321. 10:50Dexter, what's up, my man?
322. 10:51>> What's up?
323. 10:52>> Not much. I see you can't stay out of
324. 10:54the kind of jail. What happened now?
325. 10:56>> I got kicked out of all [ __ ] That's
326. 10:59>> Oh, is that what happened?
327. 11:00>> It's my turn up. I'm trying to figure
328. 11:02out what this about right here. about F1
329. 11:06conspiracy robbery or something. I don't
330. 11:09know.
331. 11:11>> You know me on
332. 11:13I did something. I damn sure like I did.
333. 11:17I don't know what you what they talking
334. 11:19about. So I came.
335. 11:20>> So you were on those charges this
336. 11:22morning or
337. 11:23>> this morning? I had to go to court of
338. 11:25everything.
339. 11:26>> Okay.
340. 11:27>> That's what I'm saying. They say from
341. 11:28last year. What the
342. 11:30>> Yeah. You just issue for me to do it
343. 11:33now. I [clears throat] got out there.
344. 11:35>> It says you're going to be out in 10
345. 11:37five of this year.
346. 11:38>> Yeah.
347. 11:40>> Man, you got some time yet then?
348. 11:42>> Yeah. I got two I got two months. Ain't
349. 11:43nothing they going to say. Let me off
350. 11:45papers and stuff. Get my stuff together.
351. 11:47Finish. You know what I'm saying?
352. 11:48>> Yeah.
353. 11:49>> Go back to work and everything like
354. 11:50that. Do what I'm supposed to do.
355. 11:54>> Trying to get this situated. See what
356. 11:56it's about.
357. 11:57>> Okay. Well, let me I do have to read
358. 11:59your Miranda warning. You're Miranda
359. 12:00White's brakes to me because you
360. 12:02obviously know you're going back to the
361. 12:03county jail. You're not going to go
362. 12:05home, right?
363. 12:05>> Yeah. Yeah.
364. 12:07>> So, I mean, you know that. So, I got to
365. 12:10read these just so that you understand
366. 12:12them. Okay. You have the right to remain
367. 12:13silent. Anything you say, can, and will
368. 12:15be used against you in court at all. You
369. 12:18have the right to talk to a lawyer and
370. 12:19have him or her present with you while
371. 12:22you're being questioned. If you cannot
372. 12:24afford to hire a lawyer, one will be
373. 12:26appointed to represent you for any
374. 12:27question if you wish. And you can decide
375. 12:30at any time, exercise these rights and
376. 12:31not answer any questions or make any
377. 12:33statements. You understand each of
378. 12:35those?
379. 12:37>> All right. You wish to talk to me now
380. 12:39about this,
381. 12:40>> find out what this is all about?
382. 12:42>> Yeah.
383. 12:43>> All right.
384. 12:44We had a meeting with the prosecutor uh
385. 12:47the other day and they're wanting to
386. 12:50charge you with complicity to aggravated
387. 12:52robbery reference the whole Jerry Alfred
388. 12:55Derek Alexander murder that happened on
389. 12:58Oakdale back in November of last year.
390. 13:04>> How we get in charge with that? cuz you
391. 13:06were Jerry and they are saying that your
392. 13:08statements were inconsistent with what
393. 13:11exactly happened and they are
394. 13:13>> so I ain't got nothing but I ain't got
395. 13:14nothing to do with it. I told him I was
396. 13:16in I was in the store. You seen me in
397. 13:18the store. I got the chips that I said I
398. 13:19went to get in my pocket. You could have
399. 13:21questioned the dude at the store. When I
400. 13:23I left hall, like I said, this guy shot.
401. 13:25Boom. Whatever happened happens. I don't
402. 13:27have nothing to do with that. I ain't
403. 13:28accept it up. I don't even know the dude
404. 13:30that got killed. I don't even know the
405. 13:33dude that got killed. And if I did
406. 13:35anything like that, like I told her, why
407. 13:36would I be there when the police came
408. 13:37back? I was there when the police came.
409. 13:39Why would I still stay there? Like I
410. 13:40ain't got nothing I ain't got nothing to
411. 13:42do with that. And then and the only
412. 13:44reason why I you know what I'm saying I
413. 13:45was around to prove my point that I
414. 13:47don't want nothing to do with nothing.
415. 13:48Whatever happened ain't got nothing to
416. 13:50do with me at all.
417. 13:52>> But you know who Jerry Alfred is.
418. 13:54>> I seen him in the store before I said
419. 13:55that. I told him that. I seen him in the
420. 13:57store. I supposed to change for
421. 14:00you know his street name when he goes by
422. 14:02too. Right.
423. 14:03>> They told me his name. They told me his
424. 14:04street name. They told me his name. I
425. 14:06said I knew what his name was.
426. 14:08>> I knew his name was They said I thought
427. 14:09his name was Ro.
428. 14:10>> Okay. Here's
429. 14:12here's the thing that's right.
430. 14:14>> I'm going be truthful with
431. 14:17>> there's a video
432. 14:18>> right
433. 14:18>> of the of the store outside and inside
434. 14:21of the store at the bottom
435. 14:23>> me talking to him asking for like I told
436. 14:25>> you to look like you're more than just
437. 14:27talking.
438. 14:28>> I'm asking for I'm asking for some
439. 14:29change. He get to talk. You want some
440. 14:31change? You got this stuff quick. Give
441. 14:32me some chips and everything.
442. 14:34>> Right. But the victim walks in with
443. 14:39>> the traffic vest on.
444. 14:40>> I said I seen the victim walk in. I
445. 14:42ain't got nothing to do with it. I said,
446. 14:43"Yeah, I did." Got off the bus or
447. 14:45whatever the bus or whatever he did come
448. 14:46out. But if you watch the video, I ain't
449. 14:48say nothing to the victim. I ain't
450. 14:49looking at him. I ain't got nothing to
451. 14:51do with nothing with the victim.
452. 14:52>> You want to see the video?
453. 14:53>> Yeah. I don't say nothing to the victim.
454. 14:54I don't know, dude.
455. 14:55>> You You don't say nothing to him.
456. 14:57>> I don't look at him.
457. 14:58>> The video itself, Dexter,
458. 15:00>> put you in a real bad light, my man.
459. 15:04Man,
460. 15:05I I talked to him ask him for some
461. 15:08change and get me some chips and he
462. 15:11bought me if you watch the thing. He
463. 15:12bought me some chips. He used some
464. 15:14chips.
465. 15:14>> Well, if you see anything, he used the
466. 15:15food stuff. Bought me some chips. I
467. 15:17know. Yeah, get you some chips. He
468. 15:18bought more
469. 15:19>> before or after the victim at the
470. 15:22traffic walks in the store.
471. 15:24>> Just I think during or something like
472. 15:26that. Before it's during before, it's
473. 15:29probably during and dude walking in. I
474. 15:31was already in the store. I didn't come
475. 15:33in store after coming already in the
476. 15:35store. Mhm. And I get my and I get some
477. 15:38chips and everything. I'm talking to
478. 15:40good looking. What's up? What's your
479. 15:41boom boom boom boom? I'm talking to him.
480. 15:43That's what I do. I see somebody. What's
481. 15:45up? I ain't got you know what I'm
482. 15:46saying? Be a small world. You might know
483. 15:48somebody I know. I just want to know if
484. 15:50you knew somebody I know.
485. 15:52You always be around. Oh, what's up? You
486. 15:54smoke weed and everything. Okay. Okay.
487. 15:56Yeah, that's cool. All right. Do you
488. 15:59remember what happened when you guys
489. 16:02>> first saw the victim pull up? When you
490. 16:04guys were standing outside?
491. 16:05>> No, I'm standing outside. That's what I
492. 16:07did. I post down a little bit and I go
493. 16:08home. I've been knowing the dude at the
494. 16:10store since I was a kid. I know.
495. 16:12>> But what did you tell you and Roy's
496. 16:15conversation outside the store and when
497. 16:18the guy rolls up in a car and gets out
498. 16:21in the traffic? What was your guys'
499. 16:23conversation?
500. 16:24>> I'm just talking to him right now. I
501. 16:25ain't talking to him about dude. I don't
502. 16:26know, dude. I don't talk to him about
503. 16:27it. I don't know, dude. I'm asking
504. 16:30brother, you got some ch you want some
505. 16:32weed? You okay? I don't mind asking. You
506. 16:35about to get some weed or something like
507. 16:36that? Cool, cool, cool. I ain't got no
508. 16:39reason to lie to you. If I did
509. 16:40something, I take off for it.
510. 16:41>> Cuz you are lying.
511. 16:43>> I'm lying.
512. 16:44>> Cuz these are your these are I got your
513. 16:45other statements here that you have
514. 16:47already previously made, friend.
515. 16:50>> So I went in the store. I said I don't I
516. 16:51said I don't know. Then I said when I
517. 16:53come down, I said I think you're lying.
518. 16:55I think you know more than what you're
519. 16:56saying you know. And I said, "Okay." And
520. 16:58I then I said, "What happened?" I said,
521. 17:00"I ain't got nothing to do." I never had
522. 17:01nothing to do with that. I said, "Gosh,
523. 17:03what?" And I ran off. I even told him by
524. 17:05the thing. I said, "I'm bad dude." I
525. 17:07thought he was dead and everything.
526. 17:09>> So you talk about robbing dude.
527. 17:11>> Hell no. Hell no. Not at all. Not at
528. 17:15all.
529. 17:15>> You really You really weren't involved
530. 17:17in trying to rob a dude for money?
531. 17:19>> No. No. I ain't got I ain't got a
532. 17:22problem. My girl work at the store. I
533. 17:24got to run up to the store. Did he owe
534. 17:26Roie some money though?
535. 17:27>> I don't know about if he owe Roie some
536. 17:29money that's on him. I don't I don't
537. 17:31even know, dude.
538. 17:32>> What do you mean you don't know?
539. 17:33>> I don't I don't know, dude.
540. 17:34>> It's right here in your statement.
541. 17:36>> No, I think they said he owed him some
542. 17:38money. They said that he owed some
543. 17:40money.
544. 17:41>> That's what you said when he first pulls
545. 17:43up.
546. 17:44>> I said that.
547. 17:45>> I said that's your
548. 17:47>> That's what you told us that you told
549. 17:49Roly told you
550. 17:52that afterwards I don't know. I don't
551. 17:54know where he going to shoot dude if he
552. 17:55shot him or he about to rob a dude or
553. 17:58whatever like that dude or someone else
554. 18:00between them two. I ain't getting to why
555. 18:02but I'mma kick dude ass and kill you
556. 18:03over some goddamn money that it ain't
557. 18:05owed to me. I ain't got I'm not ruthless
558. 18:07like that.
559. 18:08>> Maybe you thought you could have some
560. 18:09whatever.
561. 18:10>> No, I don't need I don't I don't I don't
562. 18:12need nothing. If that's the case I have
563. 18:14left when he left.
564. 18:15>> I would have stayed at the store
565. 18:17>> knowing like I'm on camera and
566. 18:19everything like that. I would have
567. 18:20stayed on the store. I didn't
568. 18:21>> You guys didn't have any conversation
569. 18:22about
570. 18:23>> No.
571. 18:24>> Rob an old dude?
572. 18:25>> No. Not at all. Not at all.
573. 18:27>> Roly didn't tell you he was going to
574. 18:28rob.
575. 18:29>> No, not at all.
576. 18:31>> Not at all. And everything I'm talking
577. 18:32about is what I seen. That's it.
578. 18:34>> Okay.
579. 18:35>> That's it. That's it. I just got you.
580. 18:38That's it.
581. 18:38>> And when you guys walk out of the store,
582. 18:41why do you walk behind the victim first?
583. 18:44Why do you look You look out the door,
584. 18:46see which way he goes, and then you go
585. 18:48out after him.
586. 18:49>> I'm going out. I'm I'm looking out. It's
587. 18:51dark and everything. I go outside. Do I
588. 18:53go outside? Why didn't I Why didn't I
589. 18:56follow?
590. 18:56>> Why would you poke your head out to see
591. 18:58which way?
592. 18:59>> I'm still standing in the store talking.
593. 19:00Lonnie got talking to the girl, talking
594. 19:02to the dude at the store. I know the
595. 19:03owner of the store since I was a kid.
596. 19:04You know my sister and everything. Look
597. 19:06at Okay. What's up? Boom boom boom boom.
598. 19:09It's hot around anyway. I'm chilling at
599. 19:12the store. I'm chilling. [ __ ] I can
600. 19:14post by the store. Smoke me. He won't
601. 19:15make me leave. I go up there. She sit
602. 19:18there and smoke my smoke a cigarette.
603. 19:20Smoke a bl. He won't make me leave from
604. 19:22the house. I ain't going to the store
605. 19:24and do that. But outside he [ __ ]
606. 19:26smoking.
607. 19:27>> Yeah, I know. But again, don't [ __ ]
608. 19:29around coming out. I mean, I can smoke
609. 19:31in the store. You know, me and my
610. 19:32sister.
611. 19:33>> But when the victim walks out with
612. 19:35traffic vest on after he's done buying
613. 19:37his drink,
614. 19:38>> right?
615. 19:39>> Who goes out the door after
616. 19:40[clears throat]
617. 19:41you or Roly?
618. 19:43>> Roly.
619. 19:45Well, he go I don't go out to follow
620. 19:46that man. Why didn't I do nothing to
621. 19:49him? Why would I Oh, whatever. Why would
622. 19:51I just beat him up here? I beat him up
623. 19:52here. Here go your money. Get your
624. 19:54money. Get out of here.
625. 19:56Why would I do that? No. It's a camera
626. 19:58right here. No, it's a camera right
627. 19:59here. No, the camera
628. 20:01right here. I I know these things. So,
629. 20:04that's why
630. 20:04>> why would I come up missing?
631. 20:06>> You need to be
632. 20:08like I said, you need to be 100%
633. 20:11truthful with this. This is your last
634. 20:12chance. You understand? This is your
635. 20:14last chance to get ahead of this cuz
636. 20:17chances are the complicity of the
637. 20:19aggravated robbery is not going to be
638. 20:20the only charge that gets added.
639. 20:22>> All right?
640. 20:23>> You see what I'm saying?
641. 20:24>> So unless you plan on spending a lot of
642. 20:26time in prison,
643. 20:28>> you need to tell us the honest to God
644. 20:29truth what you saw and what happened
645. 20:32outside the Bajo that day. Because if
646. 20:34you don't,
647. 20:36>> this is all going to come down on topic.
648. 20:38You understand?
649. 20:41>> All right.
650. 20:42This is just the start. That's why I'm
651. 20:44trying to bring you back in, give you
652. 20:46one more time. We have two different
653. 20:47statements from you.
654. 20:49>> The first one you talked to, Detective
655. 20:50Bell was a complete lie. Complete lie.
656. 20:54But Detective Bell didn't know anything
657. 20:56about the case either. You talked to him
658. 20:58in the big conference room.
659. 20:59>> Right.
660. 21:00>> Then we brought you and we talked to you
661. 21:02again. You told us I think maybe
662. 21:06I want to say half 50% the truth maybe
663. 21:10about what happened. Cuz according to
664. 21:13the video, the video clearly shows what
665. 21:15you told us was not all the truth.
666. 21:17>> The video show that I hold I hold a
667. 21:19conversation with. I talk to him. I said
668. 21:21that I talked to him in the store. I
669. 21:23talked to him. If he doesn't last chance
670. 21:25like to come 100% truthful get ahead of
671. 21:29this cuz after the [clears throat] day
672. 21:32you're going to get obviously assigned a
673. 21:34lawyer tomorrow and you know these
674. 21:36charges are going to be added. that have
675. 21:38already been added and then there could
676. 21:41be more being added later this week.
677. 21:43There could be more added within the
678. 21:44next week or soon after,
679. 21:47>> right?
680. 21:47>> Cuz prosecutor really wants you to tell
681. 21:49the truth and tell us what's happened
682. 21:51and get ahead of this before this goes
683. 21:54to trial.
684. 21:55>> Okay?
685. 21:56>> Cuz it's going to go to trial soon. It's
686. 21:58going to go to trial next month, I do
687. 22:00believe.
688. 22:02So
689. 22:03what happened outside
690. 22:06the bottom?
691. 22:10>> I came to the store
692. 22:12getting some chips.
693. 22:15I [clears throat] guess dude dude pull
694. 22:17up.
695. 22:19Dude pull up. He come to the He come to
696. 22:21the store.
697. 22:23He go in there.
698. 22:25>> Who we talking? Who's the dude?
699. 22:26>> The victim.
700. 22:27>> Okay.
701. 22:28>> The victim come here. I'll go in the
702. 22:30store. I'm asking [clears throat] Ro.
703. 22:31Let me buy me some chips. Give me some
704. 22:34chips. All right. Buy me a m guess dude
705. 22:38got words. I guess do beef. I don't know
706. 22:40nothing about the beef. I just got you.
707. 22:42I don't know nothing about him and do
708. 22:44his beef or whatever. All right.
709. 22:47We right there and everything. I go out,
710. 22:50dude. Leave out. I'm just right there.
711. 22:52I'm chilling. I'm looking whatever. Not
712. 22:55out for nothing. See what's going on.
713. 22:56Like I'm looking I'm just looking
714. 22:57outside. come back in talking talking
715. 23:00with old girl and everything talking to
716. 23:02everybody just kicking the boat just
717. 23:03talking to everybody like I see the
718. 23:05evolv
719. 23:11I hear gunshots
720. 23:15like what the dude on the ground roll
721. 23:19you walk off I walk I'm standing I'm
722. 23:21hitting them up I'm posted up you know
723. 23:23what I'm saying see who I see might see
724. 23:24a ride hop in with him see about to get
725. 23:27injured cuz I I live down there. I just
726. 23:29be down there. I know everybody down
727. 23:30there. I know a lot of I used to live
728. 23:32down. I know a lot of people all over
729. 23:34Silver Street everywhere.
730. 23:35>> Down there. I'm down there. You know
731. 23:37what I'm saying? 55.
732. 23:40I get out the way. I don't know what's
733. 23:41coming my way. I get out the way. I pass
734. 23:43do he look.
735. 23:45>> What do you see when you see when you
736. 23:46get a gunshot? What do you see?
737. 23:48>> Nothing. I go that's when I that's when
738. 23:50I come up to the thing. Like I told
739. 23:51before you go you go double up up. Not
740. 23:54going down. You want to go up. dude
741. 23:56laying on the ground. I run past like
742. 23:58I'm looking at him like, "Damn, what the
743. 24:01I come back to the store like what is
744. 24:03happening?" Oh, we heard gunshots. I'm
745. 24:05like, "Man, dude laying over there on
746. 24:07the ground." Dude laying there like he
747. 24:08just sleep like like not like he shot or
748. 24:10nothing. The paramedics, police and
749. 24:11everybody come. I'm standing there at
750. 24:13the store when the police know everybody
751. 24:15coming when they when they come right
752. 24:17there. I don't know who killed nobody,
753. 24:20man. I ain't trying to get killed.
754. 24:22>> You don't know who killed? No, I didn't
755. 24:24I didn't actually see nobody. I [snorts]
756. 24:26did not I didn't actually see nobody. I
757. 24:28didn't actually see nobody.
758. 24:30>> But where was Roly this time?
759. 24:31>> He gone now.
760. 24:33>> Where was Rory before that?
761. 24:35>> He was at the store and he walked off
762. 24:37and I'm just still kicking the ball
763. 24:39showing up with my mom. This the true
764. 24:41story right here.
765. 24:42>> Who were you talking to,
766. 24:43>> man?
767. 24:44>> Outside the store.
768. 24:46>> Some of y some of y people that I knew I
769. 24:48know from around there. something to do
770. 24:50just be around know what's up drunk [ __ ]
771. 24:52made the mom cool boom whatever goes on
772. 24:55after that I see that that's when I go
773. 24:57that way walk off what the [ __ ]
774. 25:00and then I go past I come back to the I
775. 25:02come back to the store like damn police
776. 25:04>> I know you come back
777. 25:05>> yeah
778. 25:07I know and I stand at the store and I
779. 25:09pop up once again you look I smoke out
780. 25:11again I leave it around the store that
781. 25:14day the next day after that I still was
782. 25:17coming around I still was coming around
783. 25:20the show and anything like that that
784. 25:21anybody that was ready to see. I don't
785. 25:23have nothing to do with it. I didn't I
786. 25:25didn't do it. I don't know nothing about
787. 25:26it. I ain't got nothing to do with it. I
788. 25:28ain't about to rhyme. I just came home
789. 25:29from a joint for a robbery.
790. 25:31>> Yeah, I know you did.
791. 25:33>> Yeah. I ain't got
792. 25:35I take I took I don't know the sign of
793. 25:38deal cuz I thought dude was going to try
794. 25:40to try to take me down thinking I did
795. 25:41something with it.
796. 25:43>> Who's going to take you down?
797. 25:44>> Like the last at at the last.
798. 25:47>> Okay.
799. 25:47>> Yeah. I thought I would, you know what
800. 25:49I'm saying? I don't know. I said at the
801. 25:50store with my wife working. Why do I
802. 25:51have to rush?
803. 25:52>> So,
804. 25:54when you walk out,
805. 25:55>> right,
806. 25:58>> the victim's already outside the store.
807. 26:00>> Yeah, he leaving. The victim leaving. I
808. 26:02just come out. Come out the store.
809. 26:03>> You see where where he went?
810. 26:05>> He walked up. He walked up the way, I
811. 26:07guess. Where he was at? Where is Where
812. 26:09is he? He walked up. He leaves.
813. 26:10>> Okay.
814. 26:11>> That's
815. 26:12>> And where is Roly at at this point?
816. 26:15I definitely I think Roy's still in the
817. 26:18store. Roelly rolly walk out. I'm still
818. 26:21standing there walk out like I'm
819. 26:23standing there. I'm talking about
820. 26:24>> Where are you standing at when you see
821. 26:27>> by the um by the blue things by um store
822. 26:30like the old newspaper thing or
823. 26:31whatever.
824. 26:32>> So you're in front of the store.
825. 26:34>> Yeah.
826. 26:34>> Here's Oakdale right here.
827. 26:36>> Yeah.
828. 26:36>> This is the parking lot right here.
829. 26:38>> And I'm I'm like probably right here on
830. 26:40say this. It's a blue thing right there.
831. 26:42Old newspaper. This a trash can. I had a
832. 26:44[clears throat] blue thing going over
833. 26:49what the Nove
834. 27:06is nowhere say. I come back this way
835. 27:08looking like that. I'm thinking really
836. 27:09well might come back this way or
837. 27:11something like that. I didn't I didn't
838. 27:12see I came back to the store and I still
839. 27:14looping around at the store that day,
840. 27:16the next day. After that, I go back in
841. 27:18the store
842. 27:19>> after watching the video multiple times.
843. 27:23>> And you seen go
844. 27:24>> multiple times. Listen, multiple times,
845. 27:27>> right?
846. 27:29>> You come out of the store.
847. 27:31>> Uhhuh.
848. 27:32>> After the victim walks out of the store,
849. 27:34>> I just I came out the store and I came
850. 27:36out. As you walk to the very corner of
851. 27:39the building, you're standing right
852. 27:41here. The victim's already walking
853. 27:42around the corner, right?
854. 27:44>> You're not standing in front of no blue
855. 27:46things. You're clear up here by the
856. 27:47street. The thing right there is right
857. 27:49there. The blue thing right there cuz
858. 27:50it's the fence. The blue thing, the
859. 27:51trash can, the door,
860. 27:53>> but you're up by the street corner.
861. 27:54You're right up here by the corner of
862. 27:56the building where the street is.
863. 27:57>> And it's the fence, the blue thing, the
864. 27:59trash can, and the door. Right there
865. 28:00where you stand. It's the fence where
866. 28:02you can get in the back of the store.
867. 28:04the blue thing, the trash in the door.
868. 28:06So, it's right there.
869. 28:07>> YOU HAVE A CLEAR LINE of sight down
870. 28:09Oakdale.
871. 28:10>> Oakdale.
872. 28:11>> Both ways.
873. 28:12>> Both ways. And I didn't I did not see
874. 28:15dude get hit. I'm right there. And
875. 28:18>> comes rolling out of the store right
876. 28:20behind you almost within not even a
877. 28:22minute after you're standing right here.
878. 28:24>> Right.
879. 28:25>> And where's he go?
880. 28:27>> He go that way. I don't know. I don't
881. 28:29see I don't after that he leave. He go
882. 28:30his way. And you see I'm still right
883. 28:32where I'm at. And then I leave. I come
884. 28:34back way back by the store. I leave
885. 28:36after that. Boom. I'm over
886. 28:39I come back to the store. I put the on
887. 28:41everything. I come back. Dude, I come
888. 28:44back. I seen I know some other people
889. 28:45that was up the street. They telling me,
890. 28:48"Oh, we don't know. We heard gunshots.
891. 28:51Dude, man on the street. I run past
892. 28:54that." I walk past and see what see
893. 28:57what's happening on the ground. I lay
894. 28:58right there. I run faster up down up.
895. 29:03>> Oh, I know you ran out of hotel.
896. 29:05>> Yeah. Then I come down witnesses who saw
897. 29:07you run out of boat cuz you had the same
898. 29:09red soul shoes on during the video.
899. 29:11>> Yeah. And when I came down to the same
900. 29:14outfit on,
901. 29:16>> but you're still not telling us the
902. 29:18truth.
903. 29:18>> That is the truth. I went up. I didn't
904. 29:20see actually see you saying he killed
905. 29:21you. I didn't actually see Willie
906. 29:22killed. Even if you walked past me, I I
907. 29:25didn't see that. I didn't see I didn't
908. 29:27ask any [ __ ] Nothing. I didn't see
909. 29:29nothing. Go through his pockets.
910. 29:31>> No. No. I didn't go through no pockets.
911. 29:33No. No. No. DNA.
912. 29:36>> You were rob trying to rob the dude.
913. 29:38>> No, I was not trying to rob the dude.
914. 29:41>> You really didn't have a thing going
915. 29:42like, "Hey man, let's go. We're going to
916. 29:44roll this dude as soon as he gets out of
917. 29:46the store. We're going to take his beer.
918. 29:47We'll take his money. We'll take his
919. 29:49wallet."
920. 29:50>> No.
921. 29:50>> And unfortunately
922. 29:52in the robbery, little old dude shoots
923. 29:55him instead. And then all of a sudden
924. 29:57the robbery turns real bad.
925. 29:59>> No,
926. 30:00>> no,
927. 30:01>> no, no, no.
928. 30:04>> So you weren't trying to rob old dude.
929. 30:06>> No. Check his check if I would never
930. 30:08mention to you about trying rob old
931. 30:10dude. How about he owed him some money?
932. 30:14>> If he owed him some money, that's on
933. 30:15him. That ain't got nothing to do. I
934. 30:16ain't rob
935. 30:19victim owed him some money.
936. 30:21>> I heard it from other people. The victim
937. 30:23was on the ground like Yeah. Oh, we
938. 30:25don't really do some money about some of
939. 30:29the people around. That's how I found
940. 30:31out a
941. 30:33dude. Check the pockets. Check around my
942. 30:35DNA. Not around. No way. I didn't do
943. 30:37nothing. My DNA in his pocket. If I
944. 30:39stuck a head in and pull out my DNA, of
945. 30:42course.
946. 30:43>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
947. 30:45We're probably going to end up maybe
948. 30:47having to do that. That's what I'm
949. 30:48saying.
950. 30:49>> Hope for your sake,
951. 30:50>> man. Like I'm saying this last That
952. 30:54that's that's it right there. That's it
953. 30:56right there. Take the take the DNA. Then
954. 30:58after that, let's go ahead and um
955. 31:01[clears throat] take a polygraph and see
956. 31:02if I knew that he was going to kill dude
957. 31:04or take that. That's how far I
958. 31:07do right now. You mean you check it out?
959. 31:10>> I can't do a poly out there cuz a
960. 31:11polygraph person isn't here.
961. 31:14>> They willing to take a polygraph. Maybe
962. 31:16that's something we can do later on.
963. 31:18>> Thank you. I didn't know Ronnie was
964. 31:20going to kill dude. Like I didn't know.
965. 31:21>> You didn't see him kill dude? No,
966. 31:24I don't know if he counted or nothing on
967. 31:26him. I ain't got nothing to do with a
968. 31:28gun.
969. 31:29>> No, I didn't know he had no gun. I
970. 31:31didn't know he got no gun. I didn't know
971. 31:33he had I didn't know he had no gun or
972. 31:35nothing. I wouldn't went in the store as
973. 31:37much as [ __ ] Hey, come here.
974. 31:40What are you doing? They just pull up
975. 31:41for no reason. They just
976. 31:43shot a gun. Here's the thing. You got 12
977. 31:46people who don't know a lot about
978. 31:52the law. They watch a lot of TV. Okay.
979. 31:55>> Yeah.
980. 31:55>> They're going to be sitting in the jury
981. 31:57box.
982. 31:58>> Okay. They're going to see this video
983. 32:01that I'm telling you that I'm trying to
984. 32:02explain to you that looks real bad on
985. 32:06you.
986. 32:06>> All right.
987. 32:08>> Now, what do you think if you get hit
988. 32:10with a murder charge? You think they're
989. 32:12going to end up thinking that you had
990. 32:14something to do with it from this video?
991. 32:16>> Highly likely.
992. 32:18>> Yeah. If I didn't think I was going to
993. 32:19do it cuz but I but I did. Okay. I look
994. 32:23out. I walk out. I look out and look
995. 32:25back in.
996. 32:27[laughter]
997. 32:28I ain't wait for nobody else. I look
998. 32:30out. Step back in. I don't even get to
999. 32:31talking back to brother cuz you look
1000. 32:33like you guys are in.
1001. 32:36>> No. I mean I mean I'm allowed to talk
1002. 32:39I'm allowed to talk to anybody. All
1003. 32:40right. If I talk to somebody, that's not
1004. 32:42mean you talking about going kill
1005. 32:43somebody. You ain't got nothing to do
1006. 32:44with that. They don't know who we was
1007. 32:45talking about. It might look like I'm
1008. 32:47not even talking to you. So, I'm about
1009. 32:48to go do something. But that don't mean
1010. 32:50I said nothing to you about going to
1011. 32:51kill nobody. I'm about to rob you.
1012. 32:53Nothing. Me and you talking right now. I
1013. 32:55can beat somebody at one point. They
1014. 32:57can't. Oh, yeah. You he told me.
1015. 33:00>> Even if we had a plan, we would rob the
1016. 33:03dude.
1017. 33:03>> Why would I Why would I sit? I sit all
1018. 33:05the way back.
1019. 33:07I sit all the way back. Why would I be
1020. 33:09right there with him? right there with
1021. 33:11why would I go if I was a dude going to
1022. 33:13kill why would I be right there if he
1023. 33:15was going to kill me why would I just
1024. 33:17ain't got to kill the woman just beat
1025. 33:18him up and do it like that I said
1026. 33:21question I'm asking you did I said
1027. 33:23that's the thing if a person seen last
1028. 33:25time from my other room they would have
1029. 33:26seen a minute to about this look I just
1030. 33:29this what I this this what I did you
1031. 33:34when you heard shots
1032. 33:35>> I took off that way I go that way go I'm
1033. 33:39going
1034. 33:40I came back. I'm not about to leave. I
1035. 33:42came back. I did nothing. What's the
1036. 33:43point?
1037. 33:47Get out.
1038. 33:50>> Did Roy come through his pockets?
1039. 33:51>> I don't know where did I see what did
1040. 33:54the whole
1041. 33:56area. That's what I was going to do.
1042. 34:01Okay. I can still turn around.
1043. 34:07Whatever happened
1044. 34:09that ain't got nothing to do with me
1045. 34:10with him DUDE BACK GOING
1046. 34:13>> NOW you been charged for custo
1047. 34:15>> and I didn't rob nothing what did I rob
1048. 34:17ain't no DNA saying I did nothing ain't
1049. 34:19no evidence showing that I did nothing
1050. 34:21to do I didn't do nothing to do I didn't
1051. 34:23even speak to him when he came in
1052. 34:25>> I hope the DNA don't come back with you
1053. 34:27>> it didn't I know what it is that came as
1054. 34:29the whole thing DNA oh yeah you got DNA
1055. 34:32in this pocket oh yeah that that's
1056. 34:34murder and everything I know how this
1057. 34:35stuff Bro, I got others is down like
1058. 34:38people is down for murders and stuff. I
1059. 34:40know stuff but ain't not even a like TV
1060. 34:43show and TV show leave out a lot.
1061. 34:45>> Well, TV is not the reality.
1062. 34:47>> Ain't the reality. I know. I know what
1063. 34:48it is. I got to explain to you
1064. 34:51>> and I wouldn't do that. I just had a
1065. 34:52daughter. Like I'm trying to see my
1066. 34:53daughter. Girl, I a trying to see your
1067. 34:54brother through picture. She never know
1068. 34:55who I am. I'm in jail. I ain't trying to
1069. 34:57do that. My daughter 8 months. I'm
1070. 34:59trying to go ahead and take the DNA look
1071. 35:01like his DNA nowhere around you. and was
1072. 35:04like that by get that out the way.
1073. 35:06Hopefully make a home October 5th.
1074. 35:09>> Okay.
1075. 35:10>> For real. I lie to you. I'm a man of my
1076. 35:12word. If I did something, I take out
1077. 35:16I damn I'm call.
1078. 35:18>> So, is there anything else you're going
1079. 35:19to tell me for?
1080. 35:20>> Yeah.
1081. 35:21>> I mean, that's give you your chance
1082. 35:23right here.
1083. 35:24>> Yeah. I I told you I ain't got nothing
1084. 35:26to do with whatever happened to nothing
1085. 35:28to do that got nothing to do with me.
1086. 35:30>> We're not talking about just what
1087. 35:32happened with dude getting
1088. 35:34I'm talking about now getting robbed.
1089. 35:36>> I didn't I ain't got nothing to do with
1090. 35:37him getting killed. Got pass. I got talk
1091. 35:40about cuz you had to do something with I
1092. 35:42ain't got nothing to do with him getting
1093. 35:44killed. Check that man's body for DNA.
1094. 35:46That might say it won't be on his hands
1095. 35:48in his pockets on his shirt around him
1096. 35:50in the grass on that sidewalk. You can
1097. 35:52cut the whole little piece of strip
1098. 35:54that's around him and then DNA check.
1099. 35:56However do your little DNA stuff check
1100. 35:58all that. Okay. All right. Thank Yeah.
1101. 36:01Get you back to the county. All right.
1102. 36:03>> All right.
1103. 36:03>> Thanks for coming over, my man.
1104. 36:05>> Yeah.
1105. 36:25>> Tip your hand up.
1106. 36:29All
1107. 36:32right, turn around. Put your palms
1108. 36:34together behind your back like your
1109. 36:36brains. Put them together
1110. 36:38more comfortable.
1111. 36:57All right, come on up.
1112. 37:02In the aftermath of the shooting,
1113. 37:04detectives pieced together surveillance
1114. 37:06footage, witness [music] statements, DNA
1115. 37:08evidence, and the cell phone left near
1116. 37:10the scene, all of it pointing to Jerry
1117. 37:12Alfred Jr. and his accomplice, Dexter
1118. 37:14Moore. Both men were [music] arrested
1119. 37:16and tried together in early 2019. The
1120. 37:19jury found that while the killing wasn't
1121. 37:21premeditated, Alfred had shot [music]
1122. 37:23Derek Alexander during the
1123. 37:24confrontation. He was convicted of
1124. 37:27murder with a firearm [music]
1125. 37:28specification and weapons under
1126. 37:30disability. Judge Joy Malik Oldfield
1127. 37:33sentenced him to life in prison with
1128. 37:35parole eligibility after 21 [music]
1129. 37:37years when all mandatory terms are
1130. 37:39combined. Moore, whose involvement the
1131. 37:41jury deemed lesser, was [music]
1132. 37:43convicted of complicity to felonious
1133. 37:45assault and obstructing justice and
1134. 37:47received a 5-year sentence. Every appeal
1135. 37:50that followed, from the trial [music]
1136. 37:51court to the 9inth District Court of
1137. 37:53Appeals and ultimately the Ohio Supreme
1138. 37:55Court, left the verdicts in place.
1139. 37:58Today, Alfred remains incarcerated with
1140. 38:00a projected first parole hearing in
1141. 38:02[music] 2039. While the case stands as a
1142. 38:04reminder of a deadly conflict that began
1143. 38:06with a small debt and ended with a life
1144. 38:09lost. If you found this video
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1150. 38:20you.