5 nations demand Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg testify — Transcript

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1. 0:00well five countries have now joined an
2. 0:02unprecedented joint international
3. 0:03committee to demand Facebook CEO Mark
4. 0:05Zuckerberg testify on data misuse
5. 0:08members of the UK and Canadian
6. 0:10Parliament's were joined by Argentina
7. 0:12Australia and Ireland and demanding more
8. 0:14information from Facebook they want the
9. 0:17tech giant to address disinformation and
10. 0:19election online election influenced
11. 0:21campaigns joining me now on set CBS News
12. 0:24investigative reporter of Graham Cates
13. 0:26and seen that senior producer Dan
14. 0:28Patterson thank you both for joining us
15. 0:30so grandma want to get to this last week
16. 0:32Canadian and British officials invited
17. 0:35Zuckerberg to come and join them to
18. 0:37testify on a hearing on November 20 27th
19. 0:41why did he decide not to go in a letter
20. 0:44Facebook said basically we can't send
21. 0:47this guy to every part of it that
22. 0:49invites him to come he's already spoken
23. 0:51to Congress he appeared before the EU
24. 0:53Parliament and and he's the company
25. 0:57itself is cooperating with you through
26. 0:58written testimonies and for lower level
27. 1:00executives going to your committees so
28. 1:03what's been the response not going so
29. 1:05what they did was they got other
30. 1:07countries on the board they said okay
31. 1:08well you can't go to every country that
32. 1:10asks asks you to come visit so how about
33. 1:12five of us with 170 million of your
34. 1:14users combined saying instead of coming
35. 1:17to us individually we'll all meet
36. 1:19together and you can then meet with us
37. 1:20all at once do you think Dan that this
38. 1:23pressure from other countries is gonna
39. 1:24affect Zuckerberg or change has taken
40. 1:27all this anyway well it certainly will
41. 1:29impact Facebook whether we hear about it
42. 1:32or know about it or not this is a
43. 1:33multinational coalition that has asked a
44. 1:37very serious question and would like
45. 1:39answers for their citizens we may not
46. 1:42hear about it or or know anything other
47. 1:45than a spokespersons statement but it is
48. 1:48almost impossible to conceive that
49. 1:50internally at Facebook they see
50. 1:51something as serious as this is anything
51. 1:54other than a matter that they have to
52. 1:57address so Graham these five countries
53. 1:58have banded together they say they're
54. 2:00very unhappy with this disinformation
55. 2:01campaign they want something done what
56. 2:04are their real big issues for it can you
57. 2:05walk us through these countries and what
58. 2:07they're worried about sure what's really
59. 2:08interesting is that they all kind of
60. 2:09have their own individual
61. 2:12problems that they're trying to sort
62. 2:13through a Facebook the two that are kind
63. 2:15of the most intimately connected or
64. 2:16Britain and Canada and Britain is
65. 2:18looking at the use of scraped data from
66. 2:20Facebook to influence the brexit and
67. 2:23actually also American elections in 2016
68. 2:26and Canada is looking at one of its
69. 2:29company's roles in that it's called a
70. 2:31great aggregate IQ and it worked with
71. 2:34kind of an infamous company now called
72. 2:35Cambridge analytic ah that was based in
73. 2:37London in New York
74. 2:38but Argentina Ireland did Australia have
75. 2:41really totally different things that
76. 2:44they were looking at Argentina started
77. 2:46looking at Facebook after reports of
78. 2:48cyberattacks and trolling of journalists
79. 2:50which which i think is pretty cool I
80. 2:52really started looking at Facebook more
81. 2:55closely after a local TV investigation
82. 2:57showed Facebook moderator is kind of
83. 2:59ignoring posts that included violent
84. 3:02imagery or or hateful content and in
85. 3:05Australia there's actually a whole bunch
86. 3:07of things Australia is interested in
87. 3:09Facebook about but one major issue is
88. 3:11reports of Facebook sharing Australian
89. 3:15users data with Chinese corporations you
90. 3:19know Dan we keep talking I feel like we
91. 3:20have you guys on we talked about
92. 3:22disinformation campaigns issues with
93. 3:24elections hacking when you talk about
94. 3:27Facebook though is there anything that
95. 3:29really can be done with the
96. 3:30disinformation campaign there are things
97. 3:33that regulators and that Facebook
98. 3:36themselves are trying to do but I'm not
99. 3:39sure that that actually answers your
100. 3:41question look we we see mr. Zuckerberg
101. 3:44routinely called in front of various
102. 3:46committees we also see Facebook kind of
103. 3:50drip feed these announcements well we
104. 3:52tamped on an influencer campaigns
105. 3:53content we're making a genuine attempt
106. 3:57to stop this type of content but what
107. 3:59this is really doing is taking advantage
108. 4:02of the mechanics of the network and
109. 4:04networks it's not just Facebook but the
110. 4:06network itself this uses viral mechanics
111. 4:10to spread content throughout a Facebook
112. 4:14just like you would share a family photo
113. 4:16or a political post I'm not sure that
114. 4:20without changing the nature of Facebook
115. 4:22that they can change that they can solve
116. 4:24this problem a
117. 4:25course we've heard rhetoric from mr.
118. 4:27Zuckerberg that well the news feed may
119. 4:29be going away and we'll switch to
120. 4:31stories and and different types of
121. 4:33information sharing so we don't see that
122. 4:35happening yeah we'll see so Graham
123. 4:37internationally what would you say has
124. 4:40been done with these countries how are
125. 4:41they pushed back they've pushed back
126. 4:45they've pushed back with their own
127. 4:47investigations and their own efforts to
128. 4:51kind of get facebook to get involved in
129. 4:54the issues that that they say have
130. 4:56affected their elections or they're in
131. 4:58this in one case they're journalists and
132. 5:00what we know at least from in the u.s.
133. 5:02is that Facebook has said well when we
134. 5:04have a big issue we're going to work
135. 5:06with the FBI
136. 5:07but how they've done that in each
137. 5:08individual country is kind of buried mmm
138. 5:10I thank you both for joining us Dan and
139. 5:13Graham very much for joining us thank
140. 5:15you very much