【独身多数の未来】結婚しない人が増える?配偶者なし5割社会も?…なぜ結婚したいのにできない?老後不安も議論|アベプラ — Transcript
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- 0:03A certain Note post is now the talk of
- 0:05the town. Its content discusses a
- 0:10future where being single is the
- 0:12majority. It introduces data released
- 0:17by government agencies. Estimates show
- 0:21that in 2040, the percentage of men who
- 0:24have never married by age 50 will be
- 0:2630.4%. The author questions the
- 0:34projection that women will peak at 22.2
- 0:36%and then decline, using various
- 0:38materials to explore a future where
- 0:40over half the population is single. And
- 0:49it argues that the Showa-era society,
- 0:51where almost everyone got married, was
- 0:53actually the exception. It has caused a
- 0:59huge stir on social media.
- 1:04I feel like society is progressing just
- 1:06as the Note describes. 1
- 1:10Let's build up assets and maintain our
- 1:12health for old age.
- 1:16So we must provide incentives for
- 1:17marriage to prevent this. Regarding
- 1:22this decline in marriage, the
- 1:23government and local authorities are
- 1:25taking measures from the perspective of
- 1:27the falling birthrate.
- 1:34We want to increase the take-home pay
- 1:35of the younger generation so that those
- 1:37who want to get married or have
- 1:38children don't have to give up on those
- 1:40dreams. On August 8th of Reiwa 8, with
- 1:48three eights in a row, we are naming it
- 1:50"Honey Marriage Day" and will hold the
- 1:52Tokyo Marriage Support Festa. The Tokyo
- 2:00Metropolitan Government is heavily
- 2:02promoting marriage support, such as
- 2:03through events and operating matching
- 2:05apps, but...
- 2:10Will the day truly arrive when, as the
- 2:12viral Note suggests, over half the
- 2:14population is single? If that happens,
- 2:20we will consider how individual lives
- 2:22and society might change.
- 2:26Yes. Mr. Allen, regarding the fact that
- 2:30more people are not marrying lately, I
- 2:32think this is a trend seen all over the
- 2:34world.
- 2:36Especially in developed countries,
- 2:37right?
- 2:38Yeah. I mean, in the past, people
- 2:42placed more importance on marriage, and
- 2:44I think there was less entertainment,
- 2:45but today, we have so many choices and
- 2:47are flooded with fun things to do.
- 2:52Young people will likely realize that
- 2:54marriage isn't everything.
- 2:56Yeah. Yeah.
- 2:57Also, I think there are many people
- 2:59today who want to cherish their time
- 3:01alone or their free time.
- 3:02That is exactly right.
- 3:04Yeah.
- 3:04Yeah.
- 3:05I absolutely prefer being alone.
- 3:07Right.
- 3:08It's just not for me anymore. Being
- 3:10with someone else.
- 3:11Is that so? Is that so?
- 3:13Yes. I can't even stand one day. One
- 3:16day either. One
- 3:17day either.
- 3:18Yes. Even when I go on trips with
- 3:19friends, I always tell them I need a
- 3:21separate room and a separate bath.
- 3:22You don't share?
- 3:23I absolutely hate that. But you know,
- 3:27there are actually a lot of people like
- 3:29me. People who prefer to be alone, like
- 3:31sleeping alone.
- 3:31Yeah. Even with a partner?
- 3:33I don't have a partner, actually.
- 3:35Because I'm not interested.
- 3:37I get bored easily, so two hours is my
- 3:39limit.
- 3:40Even shorter than a day.
- 3:42Two hours is my limit, so
- 3:44two
- 3:44hours, right?
- 3:46In that case, I feel like it's tough to
- 3:48imagine marriage increasing in this day
- 3:50and age. Well, I get that. Yeah.
- 3:53Yeah. We've been sharing those personal
- 3:56feelings, but now let's introduce the
- 3:57guest for this segment.
- 3:59He is Professor Masahiro Yamada, a
- 4:01specialist in family sociology. Mr.
- 4:04Yamada, thank you for joining us.
- 4:06Ah, thank you for having me.
- 4:08Thank you.
- 4:09Let me reintroduce the article on Note
- 4:11that is currently buzzing, and here is
- 4:13an overview. It discusses the issue of
- 4:17Japan's high unmarried rate, suggesting
- 4:20we might be heading toward a society
- 4:22where the majority—over 50%—do not
- 4:24marry. Looking at the numbers is even
- 4:29more surprising: the percentage of
- 4:31people who have never been married by
- 4:33age 50. In 1970, it was 1.7%for men and
- 4:393.3%for women, compared to 2020.
- 4:43It reached 28.3%for men and, as you can
- 4:47see, 17.8%for women. Regarding the
- 4:52point that this will become the
- 4:53majority, Mr. Yamada, what are your
- 4:55thoughts?
- 4:58Well, while it will increase somewhat
- 5:01from here, I personally don't think it
- 5:03will actually reach 50%. However, it
- 5:10will likely reach around 30 to 35%for
- 5:13men and 20 to 25%for women, but if you
- 5:15look at it in terms of being "single,"
- 5:18since one in three couples now divorce,
- 5:21I believe a society where 50%of people
- 5:23have no spouse will arrive soon.
- 5:29Yeah.
- 5:29I see.
- 5:30I see.
- 5:31So it leads to that, doesn't it?
- 5:33Yamada-san, one more question: the
- 5:35article about being single really blew
- 5:37up. Do you think it resonated because
- 5:40people feel the same way, or because
- 5:42they're worried about the situation?
- 5:45Why do you think it struck such a chord
- 5:47?
- 5:47Well, let’s see. The truth is, most
- 5:51people actually do want to get married
- 5:53if you look at the surveys. Really?
- 5:57Oh, is that so? And recently, a lot of
- 6:02young people have started thinking
- 6:03about their old age, too.
- 6:07The fear of ending up alone in old age
- 6:09is very real. They have colleagues now,
- 6:16or their parents are still around, but
- 6:18they worry about being isolated once
- 6:20their parents are gone or they retire,
- 6:22which is why we’re seeing more cases
- 6:24of "lonely deaths." That anxiety is
- 6:31spreading. I believe that’s why
- 6:34articles like this one garner so much
- 6:36interest. I see.
- 6:39So, surveys show they want to marry,
- 6:41but they’re also worried about old
- 6:43age. If they want to, why aren't they
- 6:47marrying? Do we know why?
- 6:51Well, if you're going to get married,
- 6:53you want financial stability, right?
- 6:57Right.
- 6:57Yeah. Exactly. Especially in this day
- 7:00and age.
- 7:00No matter...
- 7:01Yeah.
- 7:03No matter how much you say you want to
- 7:04marry, it’s not like just anyone will
- 7:06do. Exactly.
- 7:09Relationships matter, so you at least
- 7:11need to like the person, right? Yeah.
- 7:14Uh-huh.
- 7:14Yeah. But now I’m starting to get
- 7:16worried.
- 7:17Maybe I have to get married.
- 7:19No, no, I’m just saying I’m
- 7:20starting to feel that way. My own old
- 7:22age...
- 7:22Who am I even going to marry?
- 7:24What should I do? Thinking about it
- 7:26like that, it’s true.
- 7:29Life is so much fun right now, but what
- 7:31happens when I'm 60 or 70 and can't
- 7:33work or stay active like I used to?
- 7:37Yeah.
- 7:38If you don't have kids, who’s going
- 7:40to take care of you?
- 7:41By then, we’ll probably have physical
- 7:43AI or something, so it’ll be fine.
- 7:45Oh, I guess that’s okay then.
- 7:48Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait!
- 7:51Never mind! Wait, haven't you really
- 7:54thought about it until now? About the
- 7:56two of you growing old together and
- 7:57such.
- 7:58Yeah.
- 7:58I mean, of course, I’ve been thinking
- 8:00about the financial side of things
- 8:02recently, but...
- 8:02That’s true.
- 8:03Yeah.
- 8:05I do hear that people miss having
- 8:07someone to do things with every day.
- 8:09And...
- 8:10When you get to that age, for me right
- 8:12now, I can take care of my parents, but
- 8:14there are no children to take care of
- 8:16me, right?
- 8:17Yeah.
- 8:18Well, but there’s AI, you know.
- 8:20That’s how it’ll be. Exactly. Isn't
- 8:23that scary?
- 8:25By the way, Mr. Allen, I believe you
- 8:26mentioned that you wouldn't get married
- 8:28. What was the reason for that? Why say
- 8:33you won't marry? Well, honestly,
- 8:35frankly speaking, it’s just not
- 8:37appealing, right? You lose your freedom
- 8:39.
- 8:39Yeah.
- 8:39I prefer freedom.
- 8:40That’s the first reason. Freedom.
- 8:42But, like, when something happens to
- 8:44you, or how should I put it...Well, for
- 8:46instance, wouldn't it be nice to have
- 8:48someone you can always reach out to
- 8:50when you’re feeling negative? Also,
- 8:52when you go home, or when you get sick,
- 8:54for example.
- 8:55Right. That’s scary, isn't it?
- 8:58I have a family, and once you get used
- 8:59to your wife and kids being at home,
- 9:01when they go back to visit their
- 9:03parents during the Obon holidays and
- 9:05I’m alone for about ten days, I’m
- 9:06just bored out of my mind.
- 9:09Yeah.
- 9:10Wow.
- 9:10I don’t even want to go home anymore,
- 9:12because I know I’ll just be alone
- 9:13anyway.
- 9:14Yeah. So I truly felt that humans are
- 9:17meant to live in groups, but then again
- 9:19, that’s because you’re used to
- 9:21being with your family.
- 9:23I see, I’ve been living as a lone
- 9:26wolf for so long, especially for the
- 9:28last 13 or 14 years, that it’s become
- 9:30too comfortable. So, if I were to get
- 9:34sick and be hospitalized, I wonder who
- 9:36I would even contact.
- 9:38Like that.
- 9:39Yeah, getting sick...
- 9:42What should I do? It’s scary when you
- 9:45actually think about it, even if
- 9:47you’re single.
- 9:48Oh, how about you, Mr. Abe?
- 9:50Well, I think we tend to pack a little
- 9:52too much into the institution of
- 9:53marriage, don’t you think?
- 9:55I mean, when we talk about this anxiety
- 9:57about old age, we have to remember that
- 9:59one in three couples gets divorced. You
- 10:04might say you're married right now, but
- 10:06there's no real guarantee that you'll
- 10:08still be married 40 or 50 years down
- 10:10the road.
- 10:14Since about 30 to 40 percent of couples
- 10:16split up—and that rate will likely
- 10:18keep rising—it doesn't really make
- 10:19sense to use marriage as a way to ease
- 10:21your anxieties about old age. Yeah.
- 10:25On the other hand, when we talk about
- 10:27supporting child-rearing, some people
- 10:28want that support but don't want the
- 10:30other restrictions, which makes you
- 10:32question if this system is even right.
- 10:35We’ve crammed everything from
- 10:37maintaining a household and raising
- 10:38children to alleviating fears about old
- 10:40age all into the institution of
- 10:42marriage, but that’s unsustainable.
- 10:45Unless we break these functions apart
- 10:46and create a new social system, it's
- 10:48unlikely we'll see birth rates increase
- 10:50. If you don't mind me asking, what are
- 10:54your personal views on marriage, or
- 10:56your thoughts on the future as we've
- 10:57been discussing?
- 10:59Well, I personally think the current
- 11:01system is irrational, so I don't really
- 11:03have any desire to actively use it.
- 11:04You mean the institution of marriage?
- 11:06Exactly.
- 11:07Oh, I see.
- 11:08It’s not that I’m against living
- 11:10with someone or raising children—
- 11:12those are wonderful things—but I am
- 11:13skeptical of the marriage system itself
- 11:15and wonder why we have to use that
- 11:17specific framework to do those things.
- 11:19I see what you mean. Do you have any
- 11:22thoughts on why the unmarried rate is
- 11:24so high?
- 11:25Well, that’s a difficult question. As
- 11:28Dr. Yamada mentioned earlier, if you
- 11:30look at the data, it's clear that men
- 11:32with low incomes are almost unable to
- 11:33get married. Exactly.
- 11:35Yeah.
- 11:36For men, it's extremely strongly
- 11:37correlated with annual income.
- 11:39Yeah.
- 11:39But for women, it’s not that strong.
- 11:42So what that means is, women generally
- 11:44want to marry someone with a higher
- 11:46income, but the number of men who can
- 11:48secure that high income within a
- 11:50certain timeframe—say, in their 20s,
- 11:5230s, or even 40 s—is actually not
- 11:54that large.
- 11:56Because of that situation,
- 11:59Well, the rate of unmarried men is
- 12:01rising.
- 12:01It’s easy to see why it’s
- 12:02accelerating more sharply.
- 12:03And this is quite interesting. Looking
- 12:05at the data earlier, can we see that
- 12:06graph again? The one showing 1.3%or so?
- 12:08Indeed. Yes. The unmarried rate. Yes.
- 12:11What’s fascinating is that in the 70s
- 12:13, it was actually the men who had half
- 12:15the rate of the women. It goes from a
- 12:18story where women had a higher lifelong
- 12:20unmarried rate to a clean reversal,
- 12:22doesn't it? Yeah.
- 12:24And now, after the war, there were
- 12:26fewer men...
- 12:26Ah, well, the numbers are from 1970. 70
- 12:29.
- 12:29Since they were 50 in 1970, they were
- 12:31born in 1920, so many had passed away
- 12:33in the war. The population base is
- 12:35different, so I think the background is
- 12:37different. Still, the way the curve
- 12:39rises is clearly different, which is
- 12:41quite strange.
- 12:44But I think the primary cause for this
- 12:45is high prices and stagnant wages.
- 12:51In fact, one of my own staff members is
- 12:53considering getting married or having
- 12:55children, but...
- 12:57They are someone who just can't take
- 12:59that step. Even in Tokyo, a small house
- 13:04costs 70, 80, or 90 million yen, and
- 13:07condos are like 100 million yen or more
- 13:10, right? Ordinary people can't buy them
- 13:13.
- 13:13Yeah.
- 13:13Yeah.
- 13:14With today's income levels in Japan, no
- 13:16one can.
- 13:17So, it's really just a small group of
- 13:19the wealthy buying everything up, and
- 13:21in that situation, even if a child is
- 13:23born, no matter how much money the
- 13:25social system provides, you just can't
- 13:27make a living. Yeah. I think there are
- 13:30tons of them.
- 13:31Well, you know, I live in Aichi
- 13:33Prefecture.
- 13:34Yes.
- 13:34And, first of all, there are many
- 13:36people living in Tokyo
- 13:37who don't even need to be there, and,
- 13:39well, simply put, everyone has become
- 13:41so childish. Because they’re always
- 13:44thinking about how they want to be more
- 13:45free,
- 13:46want to play more, and things like that
- 13:48, they never end up getting married.
- 13:49They can't grow up.
- 13:50Yes. By around 30, you should normally
- 13:52have played to your heart's content.
- 13:54Like, you've done it all. There's
- 13:56nothing left to do for your own sake.
- 13:58You should be moving toward wanting to
- 14:00do things for others or for your family
- 14:01, but everyone is too immature for that
- 14:03to happen. I think that's simply it.
- 14:06Oh no. That really hit home, and
- 14:10I'm starting to feel sick.
- 14:11I go shopping every day, eat and drink
- 14:13whatever I want every day, play every
- 14:15day, and sleep in—I do whatever I
- 14:16want. I'm over 30, though.
- 14:18Shopping every day...
- 14:19Normally, you'd get bored. Of that kind
- 14:21of thing.
- 14:21I'm hopeless. Seriously, I go to the
- 14:24department store before work, and even
- 14:26before I start. I went to the
- 14:27department store today, too.
- 14:29Yeah.
- 14:30I can't go on unless I'm shopping.
- 14:32Every single day, I want to live in the
- 14:34city more and more, and my desires just
- 14:36keep rising. I'm in trouble.
- 14:39Well, Allen, you're a pretty unique
- 14:41case. But for the average person who
- 14:44might come to Tokyo with dreams,
- 14:46the truth is, if things don't work out
- 14:48by the time you're around 30, you
- 14:49should just go back home and settle
- 14:51down. Ah. Because if you stay in Tokyo,
- 14:53Yeah.
- 14:54well, you can always find a way to hang
- 14:56out or kill time, so there's no sense
- 14:58of urgency.
- 14:58Yeah. That's right.
- 15:00Now, Yamada-san, having heard all this,
- 15:02how do you feel about it?
- 15:05Well, there's a lot to it, but I was
- 15:07just out in the countryside until a
- 15:08little while ago, conducting research
- 15:10on people looking for marriage partners
- 15:12,
- 15:14and when I talk to them, well, first of
- 15:16all, there are no women in the
- 15:18countryside.
- 15:20That's right. Well, since people
- 15:22gravitate toward cities, the ratio of
- 15:24women is extremely high.
- 15:26Yes.
- 15:27And so, it's quite difficult...
- 15:29There are actually a lot of people who
- 15:30want to get married but can't find a
- 15:32partner. Yeah.
- 15:33I see. That, that does happen. They
- 15:35can't meet anyone?
- 15:36Also...
- 15:36Yes, please go ahead.
- 15:38Also, well, there are many different
- 15:40forms of marriage. Even among my
- 15:42students, there are those who
- 15:43absolutely don't want to sleep in the
- 15:45same room...
- 15:46Yeah. ...and say they'd be fine with
- 15:48living apart or having separate
- 15:49bedrooms.
- 15:50Yeah. But even those people, well, even
- 15:54they would say that if something
- 15:55happens......they want someone to help
- 16:00them.
- 16:00Yeah.
- 16:01You could say that.
- 16:03Th-that's strange. It's like...
- 16:05It shouldn't be about someone to look
- 16:06after you in your old age or help you
- 16:08out; you should marry because you've
- 16:10fallen deeply in love with someone and
- 16:11want to be with them forever, don't
- 16:13want anyone else to take them, want to
- 16:15have their children, or want them to
- 16:16bear your children—those are the
- 16:18motivations for marriage, right? Isn't
- 16:20it?
- 16:20Yet, they talk about, what should I say
- 16:23? Things like care in their old age...
- 16:25...wanting someone to look after their
- 16:26health or help them when they get sick.
- 16:28That's exactly what AI is for. That
- 16:31will probably be possible with AI soon,
- 16:33but that's not the point.
- 16:35And in the first place, isn't the
- 16:36decision to have children or not based
- 16:38on the need for laborers? People used
- 16:39to have children because they needed
- 16:41workers, but now we don't need them, so
- 16:43the number of children doesn't increase
- 16:44, and if you don't need children,
- 16:46there's no need to marry, which is just
- 16:47the obvious...
- 16:48Yeah. ...situation we've reached, I
- 16:50think.
- 16:51This is bad, I can't think of the
- 16:53specific values now. Oh no, this is bad
- 16:55. Mr. Kasan, on the other hand, there
- 16:58are various systems......that exist as
- 17:03a reality, right?
- 17:04Well, that's true. After all, if we
- 17:08want to pass this country of Japan on
- 17:10to the next generation—though "
- 17:12maintain" might not be the right word
- 17:14—we certainly want the children of
- 17:16that next generation to grow up happily
- 17:18, and we want that number of children
- 17:20to increase, and I think that's
- 17:22something everyone is in agreement on.
- 17:28I think we can all agree that we want
- 17:30many children to grow up healthy and
- 17:32happy here in Japan. So, while I
- 17:39believe how individuals choose to build
- 17:41their own lifestyles is entirely their
- 17:43own choice, I think there is a
- 17:45consensus that, as a nation and as a
- 17:47society, we should support and raise
- 17:49many children to be healthy and strong.
- 17:58Most people agree on this, so the
- 18:00nation and the government are working
- 18:02hard to expand child-rearing support
- 18:04systems that have been lacking, and in
- 18:06local regions in particular,
- 18:07municipalities are providing support to
- 18:09help young people get married.
- 18:14Uh, excuse me, but—If I may push a
- 18:16little further, looking at that graph
- 18:18from earlier, if things continue this
- 18:19way—I won’t go as far as to say a "
- 18:21national crisis," though it’s close,
- 18:23and former Prime Minister Abe did call
- 18:24it a national crisis.
- 18:25He said the declining birthrate was a
- 18:27national crisis.
- 18:28If that’s the case, I feel like there
- 18:30must be something more we can do. When
- 18:33it comes to the message we send, well,
- 18:35this is naturally a matter of personal
- 18:37values, and I don't think we should
- 18:39ever go back to the old days of telling
- 18:41people to "bear more children," but I
- 18:43do wonder about our current social
- 18:45security system itself. Personally, I
- 18:50think we could step up our efforts a
- 18:52bit more. For the children.
- 18:55Well, a one-shot solution would be a
- 18:57minimum hourly wage of 30,000 yen. That
- 19:01would make the public truly prosperous,
- 19:03and I think people would get married
- 19:04like crazy.
- 19:07But actually, that’s true; without a
- 19:08certain level of income, you don't have
- 19:10peace of mind, and you don't get in the
- 19:12"mood" for that—I don't know what I'm
- 19:14saying, but you don't get in that mood,
- 19:16right? People who are just struggling
- 19:19to get by every day don't have the
- 19:21space to meet someone new, though there
- 19:23are plenty of poor families living in
- 19:24small housing complexes who have many
- 19:26children.
- 19:27Yeah. Maybe those people are a
- 19:30different case. Well, how should I put
- 19:32this. Well,
- 19:33that might be limited to rural areas.
- 19:36In the city center, that might not be
- 19:38the case.
- 19:39Well, that is, in terms of areas, for
- 19:41example, places like Okinawa or Kochi,
- 19:43there is actually a correlation where
- 19:45areas with relatively lower average
- 19:47income tend to have more children born.
- 19:49There is, isn't there.
- 19:51Yes. And I think one reason is that
- 19:53there’s a sort of community function
- 19:55—essentially, where you can offload
- 19:56some of the child-rearing duties to the
- 19:58local area—and places where that
- 20:00community function remains have less of
- 20:02a burden when having children;
- 20:03conversely, if you try to raise kids
- 20:05properly in Tokyo, you start worrying
- 20:07about the quality of education—I’m
- 20:08in Minato Ward now, and I honestly
- 20:10wonder about the elementary schools
- 20:12here. We should create a system to send
- 20:13people back to the countryside if they
- 20:15haven’t made something of themselves
- 20:16by their 30s. Flowing in,
- 20:18I’m not sure what defines "making
- 20:20something of oneself," though,
- 20:21like, "why are you even here?" But one
- 20:26thing is that, especially for men, you
- 20:27can't even get to the starting line for
- 20:29marriage without income, so that’s
- 20:31one area for improvement; and since
- 20:33there are still many people who
- 20:34actually want to have kids or get
- 20:36married but don't, we should definitely
- 20:37do things like reduce the burden after
- 20:39birth and expand public child-rearing
- 20:41so that kids can be raised at school
- 20:43without too much hands-on effort from
- 20:44the parents. More than that, it’s
- 20:51honestly tough without general national
- 20:53prosperity, so ultimately we have to
- 20:55create profitable industries and ensure
- 20:56that everyone’s income rises through
- 20:58them.
- 21:00Yeah. After all, these profitable
- 21:02industries are important, and as
- 21:04Tabi-san mentioned earlier, people
- 21:06congregate in urban areas. When they
- 21:09graduate high school at 18, they head
- 21:11out to Tokyo or other major
- 21:13metropolitan areas for college or jobs.
- 21:16Yeah.
- 21:18They spend their lives there, get
- 21:19married, and don't end up returning to
- 21:21their hometowns.
- 21:22So, we really have to do something
- 21:23about that—well, that's fine for now,
- 21:25I guess.
- 21:26Yes.
- 21:27But there are also constraints on
- 21:28living conditions, like not being able
- 21:30to have children. Many people want
- 21:32three but settle for one, so there's
- 21:34the issue of not reaching the desired
- 21:36birth rate.
- 21:36Right, some say higher income leads to
- 21:38more children, but isn't there also the
- 21:40theory that the more developed a
- 21:41country becomes, the fewer children are
- 21:42born? That’s true.
- 21:43If our income increases, Japan will
- 21:45become an even more developed nation,
- 21:46right? So, I can't help but think the
- 21:48number of children will just end up
- 21:49decreasing anyway.
- 21:49Yama-san, what do you think about this
- 21:51point? Ah, let's go to Yama-san for a
- 21:53second. Yama-san, what are your
- 21:54thoughts on this?
- 21:55Oh, the connection cut out for a moment
- 21:57, but regarding the point about how
- 21:59higher incomes lead to marriage and
- 22:01having children versus the idea that
- 22:03developed nations see declining birth
- 22:06rates—what’s your take, Yofu-san?
- 22:09Well, it’s about the expectation that
- 22:12you can live in better conditions than
- 22:14now and, specifically, raise children.
- 22:18Every country sees an increase in the
- 22:19number of children during their growth
- 22:21phase.
- 22:22Yeah.
- 22:23In an era where tomorrow is expected to
- 22:25be more prosperous than today, you feel
- 22:27like your children will be fine
- 22:28regardless of how many you have, but
- 22:30the moment growth stops...
- 22:32Yeah. The moment it declines, in Japan,
- 22:35Korea, and China, people start thinking
- 22:37they can only properly raise their own
- 22:40child, or that—
- 22:41It’s pathetic. In other words, the
- 22:44more you care about children, the fewer
- 22:46you have, because you feel it would be
- 22:47cruel to bring a child into this
- 22:49current state of the world.
- 22:51And that’s why more people are
- 22:53choosing not to marry. So, while having
- 22:58hope and a vision for higher income for
- 23:00everyone is important, making that a
- 23:02reality in today's world is becoming
- 23:04quite difficult, isn't it? I think
- 23:09that’s the case.
- 23:10Actually, I heard something. In 2026,
- 23:12this year, Singapore is by far the
- 23:15leading economic power in Asia, right?
- 23:19It seems that Singapore’s birth rate
- 23:22was the lowest in history this year,
- 23:24and looking at the data, well, housing,
- 23:26housing, yeah.
- 23:30Costs have gone way up, and there’s
- 23:32no money to rent a place to live after
- 23:34having a child. So basically, you
- 23:38can’t rely on your parents 'home.
- 23:43Since Singapore is a small country,
- 23:45that seems to be the problem, so I do
- 23:47think wages and prices are becoming
- 23:49unbalanced worldwide.
- 23:53If only that gap could be bridged, then
- 23:55, yeah.
- 23:56I think people might be able to think
- 23:57about it with more peace of mind.
- 23:59Marriage and childbirth, too. With that
- 24:01in mind, Mr. Yamada, what can Japanese
- 24:04society do in this current situation?
- 24:07Well, the number one thing is gender
- 24:09equality, which even students are
- 24:11talking about now. They say you can't
- 24:17even own a home unless both husband and
- 24:18wife are full-time employees, so
- 24:20creating an environment where young men
- 24:22and women can both work and raise
- 24:23children is at least the minimum
- 24:25requirement. Well, that's true.
- 24:31I think gender equality has been a
- 24:33topic for a long time, but...
- 24:35It’s still not enough. And if there
- 24:36are areas for improvement, what would
- 24:38they be?
- 24:38Well, the rate of women in full-time
- 24:40employment is still low. It really
- 24:42still is.
- 24:43They are working, but part-time.
- 24:45The hurdle is very high. Ensuring that
- 24:48through childcare leave, especially in
- 24:50regional areas, the so-called
- 24:51discriminatory environment for women
- 24:53still remains strong, so...
- 24:56The number of children in Tokyo
- 24:57hasn’t decreased that much, but the
- 24:59number of children in rural areas is
- 25:01dropping sharply.
- 25:01Yeah. Well, in any case. Mr. Yamada,
- 25:10actually, I’m over 50 and single, so
- 25:12is there any way to fill that void of
- 25:14not having a partner while remaining
- 25:16single? That’s a different,
- 25:23That’s a different topic, now a life
- 25:25consultation has started.
- 25:28What’s popular now, what’s popular
- 25:29is matchmaking for middle-aged and
- 25:31older people, or, well, matching apps
- 25:33where you can make friends in that age
- 25:35group, even if it's not for marriage,
- 25:37are really spreading.
- 25:40Well, suddenly bringing up something so
- 25:42vague...
- 25:43It's okay, I'll fulfill that for you.
- 25:47I really will introduce someone if you
- 25:48need help with that. It will help you
- 25:50if you're single. Wait, what was that
- 25:52...
- 25:52Also, earlier, ah, is it okay?
- 25:54Go ahead. Please, go ahead. Also,
- 25:57speaking of AI from earlier, I recently
- 25:59interviewed a woman in her 40s who
- 26:01married an AI.
- 26:06When I asked how she thinks about her
- 26:08old age, she said they always consult
- 26:10each other about what to do. She said
- 26:18they are constantly discussing how to
- 26:20manage things once she's older, and
- 26:22that the AI even says, "I can stay with
- 26:24you even in a nursing home."
- 26:28Yes. So,
- 26:30perhaps that kind of society
- 26:33might actually come to be.
- 26:35No, stop counting on children who
- 26:37clearly have no prospect of increasing.
- 26:40Honestly, I think it's more realistic
- 26:42to quickly build a social system that
- 26:44doesn't rely on children.
- 26:46Yeah.
- 26:47Well, this, this is growing quite a bit
- 26:49, so...
- 26:50Ah,
- 26:51I actually think that by not building a
- 26:53society that relies on children, we
- 26:55might end up increasing the number of
- 26:57children.
- 26:58I see.
- 27:01I'm Naoyuki Hiraishi, the host of Abema
- 27:04Prime. Thank you for watching. Please
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