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- 0:01We will be speaking with the doctor
- 0:03about how they reacted and what
- 0:04decisions were made the moment they
- 0:06discovered it was quadruplets. Let's
- 0:09have the doctor explain. The doctor is
- 0:12here now. Hello, Doctor.
- 0:14>> Hello.
- 0:15>> Yes, hello.
- 0:16>> I truly admire you and want to
- 0:18congratulate you. It’s absolutely
- 0:20amazing.
- 0:23>> Let's start from when you first found
- 0:25out it was twins—or rather,
- 0:26quadruplets—at how many months? How
- 0:31did they come to see you, Doctor?
- 0:37>> Well, the patient had been receiving
- 0:39prenatal care at Mae Sariang Hospital
- 0:41in Mae Hong Son province.
- 0:46>> I see.
- 0:47>> The patient had been attending prenatal
- 0:48checkups since she was about three
- 0:50months pregnant.
- 0:51>> And the doctor at Mae Sariang Hospital
- 0:53......
- 0:54>> examined her and discovered it was a
- 0:56multiple pregnancy.
- 0:56>> So, at three months, it was already
- 0:58visible, right? Yes, it was visible.
- 1:02>> If I may ask, normally, how soon do you
- 1:04find out if it's twins or a multiple
- 1:06pregnancy in a natural conception?
- 1:11>> Nowadays, with an ultrasound, you can
- 1:13find out quite early, around two months
- 1:15.
- 1:16>> I see.
- 1:17>> So, what happened after that?
- 1:18>> What happened next, Doctor?
- 1:20>> Yes. After that, the doctor at Mae
- 1:22Sariang took care of the patient as
- 1:24usual. She continued her prenatal care.
- 1:28Since the patient had travel
- 1:29difficulties and couldn't reach a major
- 1:31hospital......she was cared for there
- 1:33until she was about six months pregnant
- 1:35. Around 23 weeks. That was when she
- 1:40was referred to see the doctors at
- 1:41Maharaj Hospital.
- 1:43>> I see.
- 1:47>> Regarding quadruplets, when you find
- 1:49out it's four, does this happen often?
- 1:54I’ve heard that in the past, some
- 1:56cases weren't natural conceptions. And
- 2:00the doctors would say you have to
- 2:01reduce it to two or something like that
- 2:03. How do you explain that, or what is
- 2:06the procedure?
- 2:08>> Well, if you find out it's quadruplets,
- 2:10there are many more complications......
- 2:12>> compared to triplets or twins, and
- 2:14certainly more than a single pregnancy.
- 2:18>> Therefore, if it's discovered in the
- 2:20early stages, we have to consider many
- 2:22factors, including the mother's
- 2:23readiness and health, to see if she is
- 2:25capable of carrying four babies.
- 2:30>> Sometimes, we might have to reduce the
- 2:32number of fetuses to, say, two, for
- 2:34example.
- 2:36>> Yes.
- 2:39>> However, in this case, the mother was a
- 2:41healthy person with no underlying
- 2:43conditions, and when we examined all
- 2:45four babies, they were all healthy, so
- 2:47we planned to continue the pregnancy.
- 2:52>> Wait, Doctor, the mother is 33, which
- 2:54isn't exactly young, is it? Well,
- 2:57nowadays it's not considered that old,
- 2:59but in the past, being over 30 was
- 3:01considered a lot by standard.
- 3:03>> Yes.
- 3:04>> Oh.
- 3:06>> Hmm, and Doctor, once you reached 6
- 3:08months...
- 3:10>> Did they deliver on time?
- 3:14>> Well, it was within the standards for a
- 3:16quadruple pregnancy; the gestational
- 3:18age is usually around that much,
- 3:20averaging about 30 weeks.
- 3:22>> Yes.
- 3:23>> How many weeks is normal? I'm sorry,
- 3:25I've never given birth.
- 3:28>> For a single pregnancy, it's 40 weeks.
- 3:31>> 40, hmm.
- 3:33>> Full term is from 37 weeks up to 40
- 3:35weeks, or even a week or two beyond
- 3:37that is fine.
- 3:39>> But if it's twins, it gets shorter.
- 3:42>> Twins average about 36 to 38 weeks.
- 3:45>> If it's triplets, it gets even shorter,
- 3:48about 33 to 35 weeks.
- 3:50>> And quadruplets are 30 weeks.
- 3:52>> Were you worried, Doctor? When you
- 3:54first saw the case, were you worried?
- 3:56Yes, I was, because we knew for sure
- 3:58that a premature birth was inevitable.
- 4:00Was it her first pregnancy, Doctor?
- 4:03>> The mother already had one child, a boy
- 4:05who was over a year old when she became
- 4:07pregnant.
- 4:09>> Oh.
- 4:11>> During the period of managing the
- 4:13pregnancy until delivery, was it
- 4:14difficult or nerve-wracking, Doctor?
- 4:21>> We at Maharaj Hospital planned for the
- 4:23mother to be admitted to the hospital
- 4:25when she was about 7 or 8 months along.
- 4:30>> 7 months, that's about 27 weeks, to...
- 4:33>> Prevent an emergency premature delivery
- 4:35, since the mother's home was very far
- 4:37away.
- 4:38>> It would take about 4 to 5 hours to
- 4:40reach our hospital.
- 4:41>> Therefore, we had her admitted to the
- 4:42hospital starting at about 27 weeks of
- 4:44gestation.
- 4:45>> So, she just stayed in bed?
- 4:46>> She stayed in bed, received medication
- 4:48to help the babies 'lungs develop, and
- 4:49we monitored her condition.
- 4:50>> Yes.
- 4:51>> This was so that if any problems arose,
- 4:53we would have already practiced with
- 4:55our team, like a drill.
- 4:56>> If any issues arose, like premature
- 4:58labor, we would prepare an emergency
- 5:00surgical team; she was hospitalized for
- 5:02two weeks.
- 5:04>> Oh, I see, was it a natural birth or
- 5:06what happened?
- 5:08>> It was a C-section because the four
- 5:10babies were mostly not in the
- 5:11head-first position ready for a vaginal
- 5:13delivery.
- 5:14>> I see.
- 5:15>> I see.
- 5:16>> It was an emergency C-section.
- 5:18>> Oh, so it was an emergency too? Because
- 5:20...because...
- 5:21>> Yes, it was around 2:00 AM, I think,
- 5:23maybe 4:00 AM or 5:00 AM, by the time
- 5:26we...
- 5:27>> got everything ready.
- 5:28>> Hmm.
- 5:29>> How many medical staff members were
- 5:30involved?
- 5:31>> Uh, in total, it was probably around 20
- 5:33to 30 people, I’d say.
- 5:35>> Hmm, does that include the case study
- 5:37team?
- 5:38>> It’s not, it’s not easy.
- 5:41>> We had many teams, including the
- 5:43anesthesiologists to prepare the mother
- 5:45for surgery.
- 5:49>> Then there was the nursing team
- 5:51handling the surgical instruments, the
- 5:53OB-GYN team performing the surgery, and
- 5:55the neonatal team.
- 5:57>> Since there were four babies, we had to
- 5:58multiply everything by four, which is
- 6:00why it was a large group.
- 6:01>> We had to prepare for each baby
- 6:03individually because they might have
- 6:05had breathing difficulties upon
- 6:07delivery, so we had to be ready. Hmm.
- 6:09>> Doctor, did we plan from the start that
- 6:11in this case, the mother would
- 6:12definitely need a C-section and
- 6:14shouldn't attempt a natural birth? Can
- 6:16we plan like that?
- 6:17>> Yes, that’s usually the case.
- 6:19>> Almost 100%of these cases are difficult
- 6:21to deliver naturally.
- 6:23>> It’s hard, right? Given the positions
- 6:26, Doctor, could you describe what you
- 6:27remember from that day? We rarely get
- 6:32to see the atmosphere in the middle of
- 6:34the night, could you give us a rough
- 6:35idea of what happened?
- 6:38>> Well, I happened to be the doctor on
- 6:40call that night. But we had already
- 6:42practiced the plan, and the doctors
- 6:44would brief each other. Every shift, we
- 6:46have drills and handovers. So, if
- 6:48something happens, we know exactly how
- 6:50to proceed step-by-step. Like preparing
- 6:52the team and calling people in from
- 6:54home.
- 6:54>> So, when a situation like this arose
- 6:56and the mother started having labor
- 6:58pains...
- 6:59>> We performed an internal exam, the
- 7:01cervix was dilated, but since we could
- 7:03wait a bit, we started preparing the
- 7:04team.
- 7:05>> We called the team by phone.
- 7:07>> Specialist nurses from home.
- 7:09>> In the middle of the night? Yes, around
- 7:122:00 or 3:00 AM.
- 7:13>> I see.
- 7:14>> But that’s just standard procedure
- 7:15for us OB-GYNs, we...
- 7:16>> Oh.
- 7:17>> But there are so many, it really had to
- 7:19be a full-scale mobilization.
- 7:21>> I heard that when the babies came out
- 7:22...
- 7:22>> Because...
- 7:24>> Since it's quadruplets, they were all
- 7:26quite small.
- 7:28>> The smallest one was 800 grams, right?
- 7:30>> Yes, that’s correct, 800 grams.
- 7:34>> What do we do once they are out? Just
- 7:36imagining it, they are all under a
- 7:38kilogram.
- 7:39>> I mean, how? Wow, even holding a normal
- 7:42newborn is difficult. Here, you have to
- 7:46divide the weight by four, so they
- 7:48total about 3 kilograms, right? How do
- 7:52you do it, doctor? The handling, the
- 7:55holding...
- 7:57>> Well, we have to be very gentle.
- 7:59Usually, when we perform a C-section
- 8:01for very small babies...
- 8:03>> We gently ease or support the babies as
- 8:05they come out.
- 8:08>> The equipment is much smaller than
- 8:10usual, which our Maharaj team of
- 8:11neonatologists are experts in. We
- 8:14prepare instruments such as...
- 8:17>> Breathing tubes, for example.
- 8:19>> Oh.
- 8:20>> Or we have nurses who are specialized
- 8:22in drawing blood from infants, because
- 8:24their veins are extremely tiny.
- 8:26>> Right, I have to picture this. Let me
- 8:28ask—this might be a question others
- 8:30wouldn't think of, but I'm quite
- 8:32curious. When babies are born like this
- 8:35, is the first one out considered the
- 8:37oldest sibling?
- 8:38>> But in this case, when delivering, I
- 8:40don't know if you pick the biggest one
- 8:41first or the smallest one—the one
- 8:43that was only 800 grams, right? I don't
- 8:45know how you choose or determine the
- 8:47order of the siblings.
- 8:49>> Well, during surgery, we take whoever
- 8:51is closest to the incision. Let's put
- 8:54it that way. Once we cut and reach in
- 8:56...
- 8:57>> Whoever we encounter first.
- 8:59>> The first one we found turned out to be
- 9:01the one we call' A ', the eldest.
- 9:03>> Hmm.
- 9:05>> Boy is certainly curious.
- 9:06>> We learn as we go, we learn as we go.
- 9:09Many people know about this because it
- 9:10made the news.
- 9:12>> It was in the news, but we want the
- 9:14people who were actually there to tell
- 9:15the story.
- 9:17>> But the babies all have names now,
- 9:19doctor—Idea, Ida...did you have any
- 9:21part in naming them, doctor?
- 9:24>> Oh, not at all, that was entirely the
- 9:26parents.
- 9:27>> And once all four are out, do they
- 9:29normally have to go into an incubator
- 9:31or something similar, doctor?
- 9:34>> Yes, they must be in an incubator. We
- 9:36call it a NICU, which is a specialized
- 9:38ICU for newborns. We have to use
- 9:40special beds.
- 9:41>> Hmm.
- 9:42>> Yes, how special is this? Have we seen
- 9:45cases like this in Thailand before? I
- 9:48heard there was one in Ubon, right?
- 9:51>> Yes, but mostly—for quadruplets or
- 9:53triplets and up—those are usually
- 9:55pregnancies that didn't happen
- 9:57naturally. What’s special about our
- 10:01current case is that it was a natural
- 10:03conception.
- 10:05>> It's natural, and was there a history
- 10:07of twins in the family? Any history of
- 10:09twins from the parents? And it's a
- 10:11pregnancy that shares a single placenta
- 10:13, too.
- 10:15>> Yes, it's very rarely seen.
- 10:17>> I see.
- 10:18>> It's found abroad.
- 10:19>> By "single placenta," does that mean
- 10:21nutrients from the mother pass through
- 10:23a single channel to all four babies,
- 10:25right?
- 10:25>> Yes, that's correct.
- 10:27>> Oh.
- 10:29>> Doctor, how long does it take until we
- 10:31are confident that after they are born,
- 10:33we can say they will make it?
- 10:38>> Uh.
- 10:38>> All of them, speaking plainly as a
- 10:40layperson.
- 10:41>> Well, actually, you'd have to ask a
- 10:43neonatologist how confident they are.
- 10:47But usually, as an OB-GYN, I can say
- 10:49the most critical period is likely the
- 10:52first 24 to 48 hours.
- 10:54>> After that, we can gradually worry less
- 10:56, but during the period where we need
- 10:58to wait for them to grow, like the
- 11:00first week, there is still some risk.
- 11:03>> But after that, once everything settles
- 11:05, complications will gradually decrease
- 11:07. However, we still can't be completely
- 11:11at ease until they weigh at least 2
- 11:13kilograms, for example.
- 11:15>> I see.
- 11:16>> Doctor, let me ask: when the father was
- 11:19told there were quadruplets and saw
- 11:21their faces, you were there in that
- 11:23atmosphere—what was it like? The
- 11:26mother and father must have been happy,
- 11:28but how surprised was the father?
- 11:30>> The mother was more shocked than anyone
- 11:32! She said she was shocked by three,
- 11:33but then it became four.
- 11:35>> The father was shocked.
- 11:37>> Because he said that means he has five
- 11:38children now. What do you think, Doctor
- 11:40? Please, go ahead.
- 11:42>> I didn't encounter them myself from the
- 11:44start, but I met them when they came
- 11:46for prenatal care at 23 weeks, and the
- 11:48father was happy.
- 11:51>> And the family, their family is ready
- 11:53to raise them and takes very good care
- 11:55of them, too.
- 11:56>> They are from an ethnic tribe, right?
- 11:58Yes.
- 11:58>> Yes, that's right.
- 11:59>> Oh.
- 12:03>> The mother did say at first she was
- 12:05shocked thinking it was three, but when
- 12:07she found out it was actually four—
- 12:09did they have a history of twins in
- 12:10their bloodline, Doctor, on either the
- 12:12father's or mother's side?
- 12:17>> I believe the grandmother did, the
- 12:19mother's side of the grandmother.
- 12:21>> There were twins.
- 12:23>> Oh, just two, right?
- 12:24>> Well, having four siblings at once is
- 12:26rare, isn't it? Four!
- 12:30>> Doctor, what advice do you have for
- 12:32people with a family history of twins,
- 12:34or anyone who finds out they're
- 12:35pregnant—what should we check for
- 12:37safety? This case is really lucky that
- 12:42everyone survived, honestly.
- 12:44>> Yes, that's right.
- 12:46>> Mm.
- 12:46>> I recommend getting prenatal care as
- 12:48early as possible. Once you miss your
- 12:51period and test positive, you should
- 12:52come see a doctor right away, even if
- 12:54you're not sure what you'll see.
- 12:57>> Whether we can see the babies or not,
- 12:59the doctor will have methods to monitor
- 13:01the pregnancy from an early stage.
- 13:04>> Just testing positive with two lines—
- 13:06and this isn't for COVID, listeners—
- 13:08once you get those two lines, you
- 13:10should go see a doctor, right?
- 13:12>> Yes, exactly.
- 13:13>> Mm.
- 13:14>> Doctor, for identical twins like this,
- 13:16will they all look the same? As they
- 13:18grow up, will they be indistinguishable
- 13:20?
- 13:20>> They will be the same, mostly identical
- 13:22, though there might be tiny little
- 13:24details that make them look a bit
- 13:25different.
- 13:26>> When you see them, are they really that
- 13:28similar? At first glance, even if their
- 13:30weights are different, do you ever
- 13:31think, "Wow, the four of them look so
- 13:33much alike"? Do you get that feeling?
- 13:35>> Yes, even the doctor sometimes can't
- 13:36tell them apart.
- 13:39>> So, you really can't distinguish them?
- 13:41And how about the mother? Can she tell
- 13:43them apart?
- 13:44>> Oh, the mother can tell them apart? Are
- 13:46there any small details, Doctor?
- 13:48Besides their weight, do you see any
- 13:50other differences?
- 13:51>> There are some small details, like some
- 13:53of them might have a skin tag on the
- 13:55ear or a little mark on the nose, tiny
- 13:56things like that.
- 13:58>> And observation points when...
- 13:59>> Sometimes those appear later, so they
- 14:01might not have been there from the
- 14:02beginning.
- 14:03>> Because we never know, Doctor—and
- 14:05listeners—that in about 15 years, we
- 14:07might be reporting on these four
- 14:09quadruplets in the future, maybe
- 14:11sharing some great news about them,
- 14:13right?
- 14:14>> Yes, and the babies are very adorable.
- 14:17>> Are they considered safe now, since
- 14:19they’ve passed the vulnerable stage,
- 14:20right?
- 14:24>> Yes, they are safe, but we still need
- 14:26to keep monitoring them because
- 14:27complications can still arise, though
- 14:29they have decreased significantly.
- 14:34>> What kind of complications could happen
- 14:36? I'm asking for information, not just
- 14:40for the quads, but even for twins;
- 14:42those born very prematurely might have
- 14:44issues like vision problems, for
- 14:46example.
- 14:49>> Just as an example.
- 14:51>> Or hearing and other developmental
- 14:53aspects that we wouldn't know at birth,
- 14:54right?
- 14:56>> Yes.
- 14:56>> Hmm.
- 14:57>> But among these, is there anyone
- 14:58you’re worried about, Doctor? If we
- 15:00talk about this point, is there any
- 15:01baby you’re concerned about in this
- 15:03set?
- 15:03>> None at all. They are very strong. Oh,
- 15:05they’re incredibly strong.
- 15:08>> Is it because, during the pregnancy,
- 15:10did the mother share how she handled it
- 15:12? Did she have to walk a lot or do a
- 15:17lot of things, or how did she take care
- 15:19of herself?
- 15:22>> Well, from what I know, the mother...
- 15:29...she took good care of herself, and
- 15:31her family took good care of her, but
- 15:32she wasn't just staying still because
- 15:34staying still too much would make her
- 15:36stressed.
- 15:39>> Stress can lead to various
- 15:40complications, so she went about her
- 15:42life normally and also had to take care
- 15:44of her older child.
- 15:45>> Yes, yes, the older one is over two
- 15:47years old, right?
- 15:48>> About two years old, yes. She was able
- 15:50to do housework as usual. The mother is
- 15:52truly very strong.
- 15:53>> Very strong. If she weren't strong,
- 15:54they probably wouldn't have all
- 15:55survived, right, Doctor?
- 15:56>> Not at all. If she hadn't been strong,
- 15:58she wouldn't have been able to handle
- 15:59it.
- 15:59>> Hmm.
- 16:00>> Yes.
- 16:02>> But I ask this because a fellow
- 16:04reporter gave birth prematurely, and
- 16:05her child......
- 16:11>> the child had so many other conditions
- 16:12and had to stay in the hospital for a
- 16:14year. It was like...
- 16:17>> Yes, some cases...
- 16:18>> But this case is truly miraculous; I
- 16:20really have to use that word, Doctor.
- 16:23If compared to other cases, could you
- 16:25compare them for us?
- 16:27>> Well, for babies born prematurely......
- 16:31>> a portion of them will have
- 16:32complications, which is something we
- 16:33must inform the mother about from the
- 16:35start.
- 16:36>> Actually, from the time of prenatal
- 16:37care or during the pregnancy, that
- 16:39there is a possibility of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
- 16:41happening like this.
- 16:43>> Or it might not happen, but if the baby
- 16:45is born very prematurely, the chances
- 16:47are higher than a baby born closer to
- 16:49full term.
- 16:50>> Hmm.
- 16:51>> Uh-huh.
- 16:52>> And there could be the mother's
- 16:53underlying health conditions, and
- 16:55various other complications that, well
- 16:57...
- 16:58>> We wouldn't know about, right?
- 17:00>> Oh.
- 17:02>> Have there ever been cases like this
- 17:04with four? I don't mean whether they
- 17:07survived or not, but have there been
- 17:08cases with four? It does happen from
- 17:11time to time, yes, from time to time.
- 17:13>> But in the past, they didn't all
- 17:15survive, right? I have to put it that
- 17:17way.
- 17:17>> Yes, sometimes during the early stages
- 17:19of pregnancy, some miscarry, meaning
- 17:21one or two might pass away along the
- 17:23way, it just depends.
- 17:24>> Gradually...
- 17:25>> Oh, Doctor, do you mean that when a
- 17:26miscarriage happens, it's not always
- 17:28the whole thing? Can it be a partial
- 17:29miscarriage?
- 17:30>> Some do pass away along the way, yes,
- 17:32that happens.
- 17:33>> Oh.
- 17:33>> No, but in that case, what do we do,
- 17:36Doctor? How do we remove them when
- 17:38others are still there?
- 17:40>> Right.
- 17:40>> Well, we just leave the baby in the
- 17:42womb. Actually, in medicine, this
- 17:44happens quite often.
- 17:46>> Oh, really?
- 17:47>> Yes, and when the baby is born, the
- 17:49other one will come out, uh...
- 17:51>> Not breathing.
- 17:54>> It just stops growing on its own, it
- 17:56will get smaller and smaller until it's
- 17:58just a small, flat remnant left in the
- 18:00womb.
- 18:01>> Oh, I see. The reason I ask is because
- 18:05...
- 18:06>> There are cases like this, yes. Because
- 18:09usually, when someone miscarries, the
- 18:11doctor has to remove everything, like a
- 18:13D&C. Some miscarriages involve the
- 18:16whole pregnancy, but partial ones do
- 18:18happen.
- 18:19>> Right.
- 18:20>> Twins happen too; twins are quite
- 18:21common.
- 18:22>> Oh, really?
- 18:23>> Sometimes one baby passes away, and we
- 18:25have one left in the womb, and we can
- 18:28support the pregnancy to continue until
- 18:30full term. That's possible in most
- 18:33cases.
- 18:33>> But you have to see the doctor because
- 18:35there will be blood tests and many
- 18:36other things to check.
- 18:37>> Yes, Doctor, but honestly, the word...
- 18:40"
- 18:40>> Passing away" in our perception means
- 18:42it must decay or rot, so why can one
- 18:44baby pass away and nothing happens? How
- 18:46can it stay in the womb like that?
- 18:48>> Well, mostly in the womb, it's
- 18:50considered sterile, there are no germs
- 18:52or anything specific, so it's quite...
- 18:54>> The environment is quite...if the other
- 18:56child continues to grow during the
- 18:58pregnancy, it's like being inside a
- 19:00balloon, I see.
- 19:01>> And it will gradually crowd.
- 19:02>> Crowd the other balloon to make it
- 19:04smaller.
- 19:05>> Like this.
- 19:06>> But it doesn't mean it's 100%safe. Some
- 19:09people might even miscarry. That's why
- 19:13you need to see a doctor first to have
- 19:15them evaluate if it's okay.
- 19:18>> Doctor, let me ask you straight,
- 19:19because some people say, "Let's just
- 19:21have two at once." Between a normal
- 19:24pregnancy and twins, which is safer and
- 19:27better?
- 19:28>> Uh.
- 19:29>> A twin pregnancy is riskier by nature;
- 19:31it carries a lot of risk.
- 19:34>> Because not everyone can carry the
- 19:35pregnancy to full term.
- 19:37>> Yes.
- 19:37>> Sometimes there are complications like
- 19:39early miscarriages. Or one of the
- 19:41babies passes away. Or premature birth.
- 19:43If it's a premature birth, for example,
- 19:46if the gestational age is over 6-7
- 19:48months. Usually, the doctor can provide
- 19:50care so they survive. But if it's less
- 19:53than that, it might be very difficult
- 19:55for them to survive.
- 19:56>> Besides that, there are risks for the
- 19:58mother, such as preeclampsia.
- 20:00>> Diabetes or hemorrhaging.
- 20:02>> Yes.
- 20:03>> So it's riskier than having one baby at
- 20:05a time, right?
- 20:06>> That's right.
- 20:08>> This needs to be shared because some
- 20:10people feel—especially those with
- 20:12fertility issues—that they can use
- 20:13IVF or other methods. For normal
- 20:17pregnancies, we don't worry, but for
- 20:19those who use, say, assisted conception
- 20:21.
- 20:23>> Or injections; some people—like a
- 20:25colleague at my office who was so happy
- 20:27to be pregnant with triplets—had the
- 20:29means to raise them, but in the end,
- 20:31they lost them all.
- 20:34>> Yes, so the mother is carrying that
- 20:35risk.
- 20:36>> Uh.
- 20:37>> Actually, a twin pregnancy carries a
- 20:39lot of risk as well.
- 20:41>> Yes.
- 20:43>> It’s just that even with IVF, people
- 20:45sometimes fear it won't take—if I may
- 20:47use that term—so they decide to go
- 20:49for three.
- 20:52>> Getting pregnant with three is happy
- 20:54news, but then suddenly, losing them
- 20:55all is devastating.
- 20:56>> Yes, it is extremely risky.
- 20:59>> And what about cases where someone is
- 21:01pregnant, Doctor? Sometimes there are
- 21:04diseases that you wouldn't believe.
- 21:06I’d like to ask for some knowledge on
- 21:08this. Since you're here, there are some
- 21:11people who find out their baby might
- 21:12have a disability inside the womb. And
- 21:15the doctor recommends terminating the
- 21:17pregnancy because the baby wouldn't
- 21:19survive, like that. We will screen for
- 21:22these various diseases. They say it's
- 21:25related to chromosomes or something
- 21:26like that. What advice do you have for
- 21:29people nowadays regarding this? We can
- 21:31screen for it from the very early
- 21:33stages nowadays.
- 21:34>> Yes.
- 21:35>> Actually, you can start as early as 3
- 21:37months if you come for prenatal care.
- 21:39>> Our first ultrasound exam is done when
- 21:41we can see the baby's organs.
- 21:45>> At our Maharaj Hospital, the standard
- 21:47is 3 months, where we at least check
- 21:49the limbs, head, and visible internal
- 21:52organs.
- 21:53>> Yes.
- 21:54>> If we find anything then, we can
- 21:55diagnose it right away.
- 21:56>> Oh, I see. After that, we follow up
- 21:59with another ultrasound around 4 and a
- 22:01half to 5 months.
- 22:02>> At this stage, we can see cleft lips,
- 22:04small organs, heart, kidneys, liver,
- 22:07lungs, and everything. If we find any
- 22:09abnormalities, we can diagnose them
- 22:11before birth and advise on terminating
- 22:13the pregnancy in cases that cannot
- 22:14proceed, for example.
- 22:17>> What age does the mother need to be to
- 22:19require these tests? Some say at 30 you
- 22:25need to test this, at 35 you need an
- 22:27amniocentesis, and so on.
- 22:31>> Actually, it is recommended for all
- 22:33maternal ages.
- 22:34>> Not all maternal ages, sorry, every age
- 22:36is considered at risk.
- 22:38>> Yes, because modern technology allows
- 22:40us to test around 3 months by analyzing
- 22:42the baby's chromosomes from the
- 22:44mother's blood.
- 22:44>> Yes.
- 22:45>> So nowadays, just a blood test from the
- 22:47mother is enough to know.
- 22:48>> Oh.
- 22:48>> It's enough for screening.
- 22:50>> It's for screening, and if the doctor
- 22:52says the risk is high, then we proceed
- 22:54to amniocentesis.
- 22:56>> Do you have any further advice, Doctor,
- 22:57for mothers planning to get pregnant? I
- 23:02recommend getting prenatal care, but
- 23:04actually, you should prepare yourself
- 23:06even before conception. I suggest...
- 23:10>> Take care of yourself first to see if
- 23:12you are ready, such as having a
- 23:13preconception check-up.
- 23:15>> They actually recommend doing it even
- 23:17before marriage, if possible, for both
- 23:19you and your spouse.
- 23:21>> Oh, checking chromosomes and all that,
- 23:23right? Like checking for thalassemia,
- 23:27or if there are any carriers or family
- 23:29risks regarding genetics, and so on.
- 23:33>> Well, we can also get a check-up before
- 23:35, get a check-up before pregnancy.
- 23:37>> And prepare yourself to see if there
- 23:38are any underlying diseases that need
- 23:40to be managed.
- 23:41>> Before getting pregnant, for example,
- 23:43some people have diabetes or high blood
- 23:44pressure.
- 23:45>> For instance, if these are
- 23:46well-controlled before pregnancy,
- 23:48everything will go smoothly.
- 23:49>> More so than if we were to
- 23:51>> discover them only after becoming
- 23:53pregnant.
- 23:55>> Yes, prepare, prepare before getting
- 23:57pregnant, even before getting married?
- 24:01That is best.
- 24:02>> And before pregnancy, and once pregnant
- 24:04, you should come for prenatal care
- 24:05from the early stages.
- 24:07>> The doctor will provide guidance,
- 24:08something like that. Thank you so much,
- 24:11our time is up. Oh, see you next time.
- 24:15Thank you, goodbye. Goodbye, Associate
- 24:17Professor Dr. Fuanglada Thongprasert.
- 24:20Yeah.
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