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胖东来卖“假货”?王局亲自认怂了!|王局拍案20261112 — Transcript

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  1. 0:01Everyone, last Saturday, October 7th, we
  2. 0:03aired an episode of "Jumian"
  3. 0:05interviewing a Mr. Zhang who went from
  4. 0:07China to Japan to expose counterfeit
  5. 0:09goods. He mentioned that Pang Dong Lai
  6. 0:11has an exceptionally good reputation in
  7. 0:13China right now, and is basically
  8. 0:14considered a god. However, he sold a
  9. 0:17Japanese-made shampoo that felt like a
  10. 0:19counterfeit, like it was faking being a
  11. 0:21foreign product.
  12. 0:23After this episode aired, Pang Dong Lai
  13. 0:25responded very quickly, releasing a
  14. 0:27stern statement on October 8th.
  15. 0:30They stated that some false information
  16. 0:32had been circulating online since
  17. 0:34January of this year.
  18. 0:36Later, they organized an investigation
  19. 0:38team to go to Japan to verify the
  20. 0:39production site, shipping documents, and
  21. 0:42production workshops, finding no issues
  22. 0:44at all.
  23. 0:46Consequently, Pang Dong Lai announced
  24. 0:47that they would initiate lawsuits
  25. 0:49against those spreading this false
  26. 0:51information.
  27. 0:52It is said they are seeking 5 million
  28. 0:54RMB in damages; when I saw this news, I
  29. 0:56couldn't help but shudder.
  30. 0:59I don't know if they are suing Mr. Zhang
  31. 1:01, or us, or if they are suing us all
  32. 1:02together.
  33. 1:05Just think, Chen Guangcheng sued us
  34. 1:07earlier for 330 million, a case that is
  35. 1:10still ongoing, and now another lawsuit
  36. 1:12for over a hundred million yen.
  37. 1:15It’s like it never rains but it pours.
  38. 1:19I told my colleagues a couple of days
  39. 1:21ago that working in news carries such
  40. 1:23high risks.
  41. 1:26You don't earn much doing this; if just
  42. 1:28one episode goes wrong, you could end up
  43. 1:30bankrupt.
  44. 1:31If Chen Guang wins and I have to pay 330
  45. 1:33million, I could never afford it; I
  46. 1:35haven't even earned 330 million in all
  47. 1:37these years.
  48. 1:38If Pang Dong Lai sues us for over a
  49. 1:40hundred million yen, I can't afford that
  50. 1:42either.
  51. 1:43And it's not over yet.
  52. 1:47That Guangdong Pingcheng Trading Co.,
  53. 1:49Ltd. also issued a statement on November
  54. 1:518th, claiming that "malicious accounts"
  55. 1:53banned domestically but operating
  56. 1:55overseas posted videos alleging they
  57. 1:57faked origins and so on.
  58. 2:00So, who do you think they are talking
  59. 2:02about? It's definitely me. Didn't I get
  60. 2:04censored and banned in China back then?
  61. 2:05And then I started "Wang Ju Pai An"
  62. 2:07overseas? They are calling us an "
  63. 2:09overseas malicious account." Slandering
  64. 2:11them, smearing them, and defaming them.
  65. 2:14They also said they would firmly use
  66. 2:16legal means to protect their rights;
  67. 2:17they have already taken Mr. Zhang to the
  68. 2:20Internet Court, reportedly seeking 5
  69. 2:22million RMB in damages.
  70. 2:24Will they sue me next? I really don't
  71. 2:26know either.
  72. 2:27I've been on edge, honestly haven't
  73. 2:29slept well these past two days, and just
  74. 2:31as I was feeling terrified, I received a
  75. 2:33lawyer's letter.
  76. 2:37This lawyer's letter demands that I take
  77. 2:39down this episode within a week,
  78. 2:41otherwise I might face severe legal
  79. 2:43punishment; just imagine how I've been
  80. 2:45living these past two days.
  81. 2:51Since they want me to take it down, or
  82. 2:53even sue me—from domestic and foreign,
  83. 2:55both China and Japan—I have to get to
  84. 2:57the bottom of this.
  85. 3:00So, over these past two days, I've
  86. 3:02carefully re-examined this whole
  87. 3:04situation.
  88. 3:07I’m making this episode a special
  89. 3:09clarification; first of all, personally
  90. 3:11, I think Pang Dong Lai didn’t say
  91. 3:13anything wrong.
  92. 3:16What Pang Dong Lai stated was that this
  93. 3:18Kabeno is indeed produced in Japan.
  94. 3:20The Heisei Trading Company also stated
  95. 3:22that the production site of Kabeno is
  96. 3:24indeed in Japan.
  97. 3:26I think what they said is legally very
  98. 3:28precise.
  99. 3:32As for Mr. Zhang’s words when I
  100. 3:33interviewed him, as an interviewer, I
  101. 3:35didn't entirely agree with him, because
  102. 3:37interviewing someone doesn't mean I
  103. 3:39support their stance.
  104. 3:42Mr. Zhang, after his own investigation,
  105. 3:45said that the brand "Kabeno" was
  106. 3:46seemingly registered as a trademark by
  107. 3:49Heisei Trading Company domestically in
  108. 3:512016.
  109. 3:53Then in 2017, Kabeno started selling
  110. 3:55domestically; in 2019, Heisei Trading
  111. 3:58Company applied for the Kabeno trademark
  112. 4:01in Japan, and it was registered in 2020
  113. 4:03.
  114. 4:06Then in 2021, Heisei Trading Company
  115. 4:08transferred the Kabeno trademark
  116. 4:10registered in Japan to a Japanese
  117. 4:12enterprise.
  118. 4:14And so, didn't it become a purely
  119. 4:16Japanese brand?
  120. 4:19Then this Japanese enterprise authorized
  121. 4:21Heisei Trading Company to operate
  122. 4:22domestically; the whole process feels
  123. 4:24like it's being handled by Chinese
  124. 4:26people.
  125. 4:28But the entire process is completely
  126. 4:30legal. So the key question is, where is
  127. 4:32their shampoo actually produced?
  128. 4:35It really is produced in Japan; they
  129. 4:37found an OEM manufacturer in Osaka,
  130. 4:39which is quite impressive—supposedly
  131. 4:41manufacturing for dozens or even
  132. 4:43hundreds of brands, with very strong
  133. 4:45production capabilities.
  134. 4:48So they are the ones manufacturing for
  135. 4:50Kabeno; weren't they supposed to go and
  136. 4:52investigate that?
  137. 4:53Back then, someone mentioned it was
  138. 4:55filled by hand or something, but
  139. 4:56regardless.
  140. 4:59This process fully proves that
  141. 5:00Kaminomoto is produced in Japan.
  142. 5:04You have to admit that, regardless, this
  143. 5:06is a Japanese-made shampoo.
  144. 5:09Some say this Japanese shampoo is made
  145. 5:11exclusively for Chinese consumers, and
  146. 5:13we shouldn't care about that.
  147. 5:16But is there anything illegal about
  148. 5:18products specifically supplied to China
  149. 5:20?
  150. 5:21There's nothing illegal. Pang Dong Lai
  151. 5:23said there’s no issue. The customs
  152. 5:24declarations, clearance documents, and
  153. 5:26certificates of origin are all from
  154. 5:28Japan. What’s the problem here? After
  155. 5:30this news fermented over the past couple
  156. 5:32of days, some netizens started
  157. 5:33investigating it on their own. They
  158. 5:35claimed their investigation found that
  159. 5:37Kaminomoto is also produced in Vietnam.
  160. 5:39These are the import and export records
  161. 5:41of Kaminomoto with Vietnam Customs,
  162. 5:43showing empty bottles and caps being
  163. 5:45shipped from China to Vietnam.
  164. 5:48>> After production in Vietnam, it's
  165. 5:50shipped to Japan, then passes through
  166. 5:51Japan before being exported to China.
  167. 5:54I also found some information from
  168. 5:56Vietnam Customs.
  169. 5:57>> The declared export price for a 350ml
  170. 6:00bottle of shampoo is between $ 1.40 and
  171. 6:03$ 1.50.
  172. 6:04>> I think these netizens are problematic,
  173. 6:06too.
  174. 6:07Even if it is produced in Vietnam, it's
  175. 6:09not against the rules, right?
  176. 6:11It goes to Japan, makes a round trip,
  177. 6:13and is then exported to China.
  178. 6:16Isn't that still Japanese production?
  179. 6:18You have to realize that the Japanese
  180. 6:20contract manufacturer already had
  181. 6:22factories in Vietnam.
  182. 6:23They’ve had offices in Vietnam since
  183. 6:261996, that’s what I found. So what does
  184. 6:28that mean?
  185. 6:30It means their production capacity might
  186. 6:31not have kept up because the company
  187. 6:33received too many orders, so they
  188. 6:35produced it in Vietnam.
  189. 6:37After it's produced in Vietnam and
  190. 6:39shipped to Japan, doesn't it become
  191. 6:40Japanese?
  192. 6:42I don't see any logical issues with this
  193. 6:44; you can't prove they faked the origin
  194. 6:46.
  195. 6:47Although Japan does have legal
  196. 6:48regulations. Defining what "Made in
  197. 6:50Japan" means? It mandates that the main
  198. 6:53production of an item must be completed
  199. 6:55in Japan.
  200. 6:58If you produce it primarily in Vietnam
  201. 6:59and then just ship it to Japan before
  202. 7:01exporting to China, that doesn't count
  203. 7:03as Japanese production.
  204. 7:07But that is a Japanese legal standard
  205. 7:09for "Made in Japan."
  206. 7:11Is that how Chinese law defines it?
  207. 7:13It doesn't seem so. So when you import
  208. 7:16it from Japan to China. It actually
  209. 7:18counts as Japanese-made, so there’s no
  210. 7:20issue under the law. I think these
  211. 7:21netizens are just being overly critical
  212. 7:23, right? I-I think regarding this issue
  213. 7:25, many people really need to raise their
  214. 7:27level of awareness. Pang Dong Lai has
  215. 7:29already stated: if you smear them, they
  216. 7:31will sue you for 5 million in damages,
  217. 7:33so think carefully! Anyway, I’m quite
  218. 7:35scared. You might not be, but I am. What
  219. 7:38if I were sued?
  220. 7:39Wouldn't I have to shut down the
  221. 7:40business?
  222. 7:42So, personally, I think Pang Dong Lai's
  223. 7:44statement is very rigorous. It’s legally
  224. 7:47very, very strict.
  225. 7:49But despite that, I think there is a
  226. 7:51particularly interesting detail in this
  227. 7:53event that I’d like to share.
  228. 7:56When Mr. Zhang went to Japan to crack
  229. 7:58down on counterfeits, didn't he go with
  230. 8:00the Pang Dong Lai team to inspect the
  231. 8:02OEM factory in Osaka?
  232. 8:04Before the inspection, he came to Japan
  233. 8:06first.
  234. 8:07He found a Japanese TV station.
  235. 8:11Then, he brought some empty bottles of
  236. 8:13Kono and Dyson, and told the station, "
  237. 8:14Look at this shampoo that’s selling like
  238. 8:17crazy."
  239. 8:20In China, it claims to prevent hair loss
  240. 8:22and even regrow hair, saying that after
  241. 8:24using it, you can grow over ten thousand
  242. 8:27hairs.
  243. 8:29The Japanese TV reporter was very
  244. 8:31surprised when they saw it. They said
  245. 8:33this "Made in Japan" shampoo had never
  246. 8:35been seen in Japan, yet it sells so well
  247. 8:37in China, and it’s even more expensive
  248. 8:39than the original. So, they became
  249. 8:41particularly interested in this topic.
  250. 8:46To conduct the interview, they had five
  251. 8:48bottles of each brand couriered from
  252. 8:50China to Japan.
  253. 8:54Because they wanted to examine them—
  254. 8:56since Mr. Zhang had only given them
  255. 8:58empty bottles—five bottles of Dyson and
  256. 9:00five of Kono.
  257. 9:03They planned to study these genuine
  258. 9:05products and then accompany Mr. Zhang to
  259. 9:07film at the Osaka factory, but
  260. 9:09unexpectedly, these bottles of shampoo
  261. 9:11ran into trouble at Japanese customs.
  262. 9:14Even though they were "Made in Japan,"
  263. 9:16and they really were made in Japan.
  264. 9:19Japanese customs stated that they were
  265. 9:20considered imports, regardless of being
  266. 9:22made in Japan.
  267. 9:24Japan has many strict regulations
  268. 9:26regarding shampoo.
  269. 9:28So, Japanese customs asked for
  270. 9:29additional documentation, questioning
  271. 9:31why they were being brought into Japan
  272. 9:33and if they were meant for import.
  273. 9:37Since the recipient was a company, the
  274. 9:39TV station explained that once the
  275. 9:40shampoo arrived in Japan, it would only
  276. 9:42be used for research.
  277. 9:46We are neither selling them nor giving
  278. 9:48them away; it is strictly for our own
  279. 9:49research.
  280. 9:51Later, Japanese customs or the relevant
  281. 9:53authorities approved the entry of those
  282. 9:55five bottles of Dyson.
  283. 9:58They told them, "Remember, these five
  284. 10:00bottles are for your research use only.
  285. 10:02"
  286. 10:03You can neither give them away as gifts
  287. 10:05nor sell them, otherwise it’s illegal.
  288. 10:07And as for the other five, those Kabeno
  289. 10:10bottles, Japanese customs simply
  290. 10:11returned them. So SF Express had no
  291. 10:13choice; they arrived at Japanese customs
  292. 10:16, went for a spin, and were shipped back
  293. 10:18to China. I find this information
  294. 10:20particularly interesting. Why is that?
  295. 10:22You look at companies like Pang Dong Lai
  296. 10:24or these platforms; they all claim these
  297. 10:26shampoos are made in Japan.
  298. 10:30We also acknowledge they are made in
  299. 10:31Japan—they are indeed made in Japan, as
  300. 10:34they have provided certificates of
  301. 10:35origin, but...It’s just that these
  302. 10:37Japan-made shampoos cannot enter Japan
  303. 10:39for sale.
  304. 10:42This is a bit hard to understand, right
  305. 10:44?
  306. 10:45They’re made in Japan, yet they can't be
  307. 10:47imported into Japan, can't be sold in
  308. 10:49Japan, and giving them away in Japan is
  309. 10:51even illegal. What exactly is going on
  310. 10:53here?
  311. 10:54Let’s put this question aside for a
  312. 10:55moment.
  313. 10:57Let me explain something here, as some
  314. 10:59have asked: What do you mean they can't
  315. 11:01be sold in Japan?
  316. 11:03Isn't Kabeno actually sold on Amazon?
  317. 11:05Well, I looked it up, and believe it or
  318. 11:08not, it’s true. This Kabeno shampoo was
  319. 11:10indeed not sold in Japan in the past.
  320. 11:12Didn't Jiemian News conduct an
  321. 11:14investigation in Japan over the last
  322. 11:16couple of days?
  323. 11:18They asked Japan’s largest drugstore
  324. 11:20chain, Matsumoto Kiyoshi, which has over
  325. 11:233,000 locations across the country,
  326. 11:25whether they sell Kabeno or Desine.
  327. 11:28Matsumoto Kiyoshi replied that they had
  328. 11:30never heard of these brands, let alone
  329. 11:32sold them.
  330. 11:34Doesn’t that prove these two shampoos
  331. 11:36weren't being sold in Japan?
  332. 11:39However, many people pointed out: Kabeno
  333. 11:42is actually available on Amazon Japan.
  334. 11:45When was it listed? September 25th of
  335. 11:48this year.
  336. 11:49So I checked, and sure enough, Kabeno
  337. 11:52shampoo was listed on Amazon Japan on
  338. 11:54September 25th.
  339. 11:56It really is "made in Japan, sold in
  340. 11:58Japan."
  341. 12:00Then, I did a little research.
  342. 12:03I noticed that from the September 25th
  343. 12:05launch until now, look...It’s been over
  344. 12:07a month, about a month and a half now.
  345. 12:11It seems not a single bottle has been
  346. 12:13sold.
  347. 12:14It’s priced quite high, at over 1,900
  348. 12:17yen per bottle, which puts it in the
  349. 12:19premium category in Japan.
  350. 12:21It’s even more expensive than Shiseido.
  351. 12:23So, not a single bottle has been sold.
  352. 12:25And there isn't a single review for it
  353. 12:27either.
  354. 12:28This brings up a comparison: since it
  355. 12:30was listed on Amazon...This product
  356. 12:32hasn't sold a single bottle in over a
  357. 12:34month. Why is that? And this is supposed
  358. 12:37to be a product made in Japan.
  359. 12:39I looked into who is selling this "
  360. 12:41Cafino" shampoo, and it says there's a
  361. 12:43company address in Osaka.
  362. 12:46It turns out to be a shop. I checked the
  363. 12:49drugstore on Google Maps; it's in a
  364. 12:50small alley in Osaka.
  365. 12:52You know what they say: it's not the
  366. 12:54height of the mountain that matters, but
  367. 12:56the spirit.
  368. 12:57Don't let the small alley or the humble
  369. 12:59, unassuming door fool you.
  370. 13:02As you can see, the metal door is shut.
  371. 13:08This is the drugstore that sells the
  372. 13:10shampoo that Pang Dong Lai claims is a
  373. 13:12famous, wildly popular, Japanese-made
  374. 13:14brand.
  375. 13:18I took a look at this drugstore's
  376. 13:19reviews on Google.
  377. 13:21It’s been around for quite a while.
  378. 13:23Probably about ten years or so.
  379. 13:25Yet, the shop only has a total of six or
  380. 13:27seven reviews.
  381. 13:29Of those six or seven, about four or
  382. 13:31five are negative.
  383. 13:33They mention things like orders being
  384. 13:35canceled without reason, poor product
  385. 13:37quality, or issues with the goods,
  386. 13:38essentially all along those lines.
  387. 13:41Now, think about it—Cafino in China is
  388. 13:43marketed as a top-tier Japanese brand.
  389. 13:47And look at the price Cafino is selling
  390. 13:49for now.
  391. 13:50It’s over 100 yuan a bottle.
  392. 13:52It’s priced higher than Shiseido, and
  393. 13:54Head&Shoulders isn't even in the same
  394. 13:56league. Those are 30 or 40 yuan a bottle
  395. 13:58, while this one sells for over 100—
  396. 14:00four or five times the price. It’s
  397. 14:03definitely positioned as a high-end
  398. 14:04product among high-end Japanese goods,
  399. 14:06right?
  400. 14:08Yet, it’s sold in this kind of shop, and
  401. 14:10they haven't even sold one bottle in
  402. 14:12over a month.
  403. 14:14At this point, I think everyone can
  404. 14:15pretty much understand what’s going on.
  405. 14:18Remember back in January, someone
  406. 14:20questioned Cafino?
  407. 14:22Even though it’s made in Japan, it
  408. 14:24wasn’t actually being sold in Japan,
  409. 14:26right?
  410. 14:27So, it went live on Amazon Japan in
  411. 14:29September, because there were a lot of
  412. 14:31procedures to go through.
  413. 14:33Even if you manufacture in Japan, you
  414. 14:35have to go through a whole new process
  415. 14:37to sell domestically.
  416. 14:39So, after half a year of effort, they
  417. 14:41finally cleared the procedures and
  418. 14:43started selling on Amazon Japan.
  419. 14:45It was purely for show, to say, "Look,
  420. 14:47we’re selling on Amazon Japan! Who says
  421. 14:50we aren't sold in Japan? See, here it is
  422. 14:53!"
  423. 14:54But take note of this detail: the Cafino
  424. 14:56sold on Amazon Japan......is different
  425. 14:58from the Cafino sold in China.
  426. 15:03The Kabinno sold in China claims it can
  427. 15:05prevent hair loss.
  428. 15:06It even claims that after a certain
  429. 15:08amount of time, you can grow over 10,000
  430. 15:10hairs, right?
  431. 15:12Kabinno and its representatives all
  432. 15:14promote it this way, but on Amazon Japan
  433. 15:16, Kabinno doesn't dare to make such
  434. 15:18claims.
  435. 15:19It doesn't say it can grow hair.
  436. 15:22Why is that?
  437. 15:24I want to talk about a very important
  438. 15:25regulatory difference between China and
  439. 15:27Japan here.
  440. 15:30In Japan, if a shampoo wants to claim it
  441. 15:32can grow or prevent hair loss.
  442. 15:36You must apply for it in Japan.
  443. 15:38It’s called a "Quasi-drug."
  444. 15:41What is a quasi-drug?
  445. 15:43It means the product itself has certain
  446. 15:45therapeutic effects, perhaps similar to
  447. 15:47health supplements in China, and it
  448. 15:48requires a special certification that
  449. 15:50you must apply for from the Japanese
  450. 15:52government.
  451. 15:54Even the production of such items
  452. 15:56requires a special license.
  453. 16:00It is obvious that the Kabinno sold in
  454. 16:02Japan does not have this qualification
  455. 16:04at all, which is strange, because the
  456. 16:06Kabinno sold in China claims it can grow
  457. 16:08hair every single day, right?
  458. 16:11So, what is really going on?
  459. 16:14I have studied this carefully over the
  460. 16:15past two days, and I have figured out
  461. 16:17the likely process.
  462. 16:21The Kabinno brand and this Heisei
  463. 16:23Trading company probably found an OEM
  464. 16:25manufacturer in Japan; we don't know if
  465. 16:27that manufacturer is qualified to
  466. 16:29produce these quasi-drugs.
  467. 16:34However, they may have applied to the
  468. 16:35Japanese government by saying the
  469. 16:37Kabinno they produce won't be sold in
  470. 16:39Japan—not a single bottle—and is
  471. 16:41specifically for supply to the Chinese
  472. 16:43market.
  473. 16:45Under these circumstances, the Japanese
  474. 16:47government's review standards for this
  475. 16:49shampoo changed; if you're giving it to
  476. 16:51the Chinese, if you're harming the
  477. 16:52Chinese, they don't care.
  478. 16:57They no longer require them to meet the
  479. 16:59quasi-drug standard, so after the
  480. 17:01Kabinno shampoo is produced, it is all
  481. 17:03shipped to China.
  482. 17:08After entering China, the Heisei Trading
  483. 17:10company then applied for a record filing
  484. 17:12for "special cosmetics" on the NMPA
  485. 17:14website.
  486. 17:15Everyone, please pay attention. In the
  487. 17:17remarks section of this special cosmetic
  488. 17:19record filing, there is a point.
  489. 17:23It states that they do not verify the
  490. 17:25therapeutic claims made by the cosmetic
  491. 17:27itself, meaning they do not endorse
  492. 17:29those so-called effects, but it can be
  493. 17:31sold legally in China.
  494. 17:35So, in this entire process, every step
  495. 17:37is technically legal.
  496. 17:39And the enterprise in Japan producing
  497. 17:41this Kabinno shampoo is also operating
  498. 17:43legally.
  499. 17:45Since it's not sold in Japan, there's no
  500. 17:48need to apply for the "quasi-drug"
  501. 17:49classification process.
  502. 17:53After entering China, it was registered
  503. 17:55as a "special-use cosmetic," but the
  504. 17:57footnote explicitly states that they do
  505. 17:59not endorse or verify these therapeutic
  506. 18:01claims.
  507. 18:03The entire process is completely legal.
  508. 18:06But have you noticed something?
  509. 18:10After this legal process, Capenov
  510. 18:12entered China and began claiming, "Oh,
  511. 18:14it can treat hair loss," and that by
  512. 18:16using this shampoo, it seems hair can
  513. 18:18actually grow back.
  514. 18:21Over ten thousand.
  515. 18:24>> Standing beside me is the driving force
  516. 18:26behind Capenov, Mr. Nishi.
  517. 18:29"Welcome.
  518. 18:31We conduct human clinical trials before
  519. 18:34our products are launched."
  520. 18:39"Especially to adapt them for the
  521. 18:40Chinese market, we conduct human usage
  522. 18:42tests right here in China."
  523. 18:45"This is the trial for the shampoo..."
  524. 18:53...and the two reports for the essence.
  525. 18:54Let's first talk about Capenov’s shampoo
  526. 18:56. Among 60 test subjects, the average
  527. 18:58hair loss before use was about 30
  528. 19:00strands. By the fourth week, and
  529. 19:02especially by the eighth week, hair loss
  530. 19:03dropped to about 12 strands. This means
  531. 19:05during this eight-week period, hair loss
  532. 19:07decreased by 58.26%. Good heavens,
  533. 19:09Capenov, you are incredible! Next, let’s
  534. 19:11look at Capenov’s anti-hair loss essence
  535. 19:14. I have this report in my hand, which
  536. 19:16also practices the principle of "
  537. 19:17testing before launch." The report I
  538. 19:19have today, I believe, is highly
  539. 19:21valuable. We can see that before use,
  540. 19:24our subject had 75,916 hairs, and after
  541. 19:26four weeks—remember, the key is four
  542. 19:29weeks—the hair count reached 82,911.
  543. 19:31That means in just four short weeks, the
  544. 19:34number of hairs increased by 6,995. So,
  545. 19:37do you see the whole process now?
  546. 19:42From a legal perspective, every single
  547. 19:44link seems lawful and compliant, but
  548. 19:45when you put it all together, it turns
  549. 19:47into a scam.
  550. 19:53Clearly, this Capenov cannot be sold in
  551. 19:55Japan, because if they claimed it could
  552. 19:57grow hair in Japan, they would be
  553. 19:58labeled as scammers and wouldn't be able
  554. 20:00to stay in business.
  555. 20:05They would likely face a lawsuit, but in
  556. 20:07China, they claim it’s a product
  557. 20:09designed by Japanese skin and hair
  558. 20:11growth experts, and that it can actually
  559. 20:13grow hair.
  560. 20:16This is Capenov. A process specifically
  561. 20:19targeting Chinese consumers. Everyone
  562. 20:21remembers a couple of years ago, when
  563. 20:23hairy crabs were being sold domestically
  564. 20:25? Everyone claimed that their crabs were
  565. 20:27from Yangcheng Lake. No matter where you
  566. 20:29bought them, they were all "from the
  567. 20:30lake."
  568. 20:32Actually, I think their logic holds some
  569. 20:34weight; it doesn't matter if it's from
  570. 20:36Taihu Lake, Wuhu Lake, some other lake,
  571. 20:38Weishan Lake, or Kanas Lake.
  572. 20:44They produce the crabs, transport them
  573. 20:46to Yangcheng Lake, let them take a "
  574. 20:47bath" for two or three hours, and then
  575. 20:49cast a net to pull them out of the lake
  576. 20:51.
  577. 20:54See there. Those crabs were indeed
  578. 20:56pulled right out of Yangcheng Lake. Can
  579. 20:58you say these aren't Yangcheng Lake
  580. 21:00crabs?
  581. 21:01If you follow that standard, then every
  582. 21:03crab in China is from Yangcheng Lake.
  583. 21:07So, what is the benefit of this process
  584. 21:09?
  585. 21:10The obvious benefit is that you can
  586. 21:11command a high premium.
  587. 21:13Someone checked the brand "Kaminomoto"
  588. 21:16back in 2017 when it first started
  589. 21:18selling in China. A bottle only sold for
  590. 21:20a dozen yuan or so. But now, after
  591. 21:23several years of marketing by Pang Dong
  592. 21:25Lai, using your brand's endorsement? A
  593. 21:27bottle now sells for over 100 yuan.
  594. 21:30The price has increased nearly tenfold;
  595. 21:32just think about how high the profit
  596. 21:33margins are in between.
  597. 21:37So here, I want to ask Pang Dong Lai, if
  598. 21:39you say Kaminomoto is made in Japan,
  599. 21:42there might truly be no issue.
  600. 21:46You could use this to sue Mr. Zhang, or
  601. 21:48sue me; you might even win.
  602. 21:52But think about it, does this way of
  603. 21:54suing really do right by the consumers
  604. 21:56who trust you?
  605. 21:59What about your conscience?
  606. 22:02When consumers see you promoting
  607. 22:04Kaminomoto, if they really believed it
  608. 22:06was made in Japan, would they spend over
  609. 22:08100 yuan to buy a bottle?
  610. 22:12I believe in their hearts they must
  611. 22:14think that a shampoo like Kaminomoto is
  612. 22:16widely recognized by Japanese consumers
  613. 22:18and is a very high-end brand, which is
  614. 22:20why they are willing to pay such a high
  615. 22:22premium.
  616. 22:26If you told the consumers while selling
  617. 22:28it, "Although this Kaminomoto is made in
  618. 22:30Japan, it is not permitted for sale in
  619. 22:31Japan."
  620. 22:33"And no stores in Japan have ever sold
  621. 22:35it."
  622. 22:36Do you think the consumers would still
  623. 22:38buy it?
  624. 22:39But when you were selling it, did you
  625. 22:41tell the consumers these true facts?
  626. 22:45If you didn't, aren't you deceiving the
  627. 22:47consumers?
  628. 22:48Pang Dong Lai has certainly been very
  629. 22:50popular in the country these past few
  630. 22:52years. We’ve even featured them on our
  631. 22:54show and praised them, but.
  632. 22:57Nowadays, when a problem arises with the
  633. 22:59product you sell, your first reaction
  634. 23:01isn't to carefully verify if consumers
  635. 23:03were deceived; instead, you immediately
  636. 23:05send out a 5-million-yuan lawsuit to
  637. 23:07intimidate the whistleblowers and those
  638. 23:09who speak out.
  639. 23:12In this process, I don't see the
  640. 23:14responsibility of a responsible
  641. 23:16enterprise.
  642. 23:18Doesn't this sound similar to the
  643. 23:20incident between Xibei and Luo Yonghao
  644. 23:22back then? Luo Yonghao said that
  645. 23:23everything at Xibei is pre-prepared food
  646. 23:25, and Xibei came out and said, "Who says
  647. 23:27we are pre-prepared food?""According to
  648. 23:29national standards, none of ours are
  649. 23:30pre-prepared; there isn't a single one.
  650. 23:32Whoever dares to call our food '
  651. 23:34pre-prepared,' we will sue them." They
  652. 23:36opened up their kitchen for us to see,
  653. 23:38but when everyone saw that their
  654. 23:39broccoli was two years old—older than
  655. 23:41the age of their own children—is the
  656. 23:43public's understanding of pre-prepared
  657. 23:45food the same as your legal standard?
  658. 23:47It's not, is it? As a result, everyone
  659. 23:50can see how Xibei is doing now.
  660. 23:52When you lose the hearts of the people,
  661. 23:54even if you are technically in the right
  662. 23:56according to the rules, your reputation
  663. 23:58will eventually collapse.
  664. 24:01I’d like to add another piece of
  665. 24:02information here: the operating method
  666. 24:04of these "fake foreign" brands is a very
  667. 24:06common phenomenon domestically. That is
  668. 24:08to say, you first create a trademark in
  669. 24:10China and establish the product. Then,
  670. 24:12you go to that country to register a
  671. 24:14trademark. After registration, you
  672. 24:16transfer it to a local company, and that
  673. 24:18local company then authorizes a domestic
  674. 24:20company to produce it.
  675. 24:22So, after making a full circle, it can
  676. 24:24be turned into a foreign brand.
  677. 24:27The Paper conducted an investigation in
  678. 24:292020, stating that there are specialized
  679. 24:31consulting firms in China that say for
  680. 24:33just 200,000 RMB, they can package your
  681. 24:36brand into a...foreign product within
  682. 24:38three to four months.
  683. 24:40This is common in daily chemical
  684. 24:42categories, such as many toothpastes,
  685. 24:44shampoos, and even food products like
  686. 24:46milk. It's everywhere—these "fake
  687. 24:48foreign" brands. But "fake foreign" is
  688. 24:51still "foreign," right? That's what Pang
  689. 24:53Dong Lai would say, isn't it?
  690. 24:55If you just stick to the legal
  691. 24:57provisions, no problem, it is foreign.
  692. 25:01But do consumers agree, and haven't they
  693. 25:03earned a high premium in the process?
  694. 25:06And just today, I found out something
  695. 25:08else.
  696. 25:09Pang Dong Lai actually sells more than
  697. 25:11one similar "fake foreign" brand. I've
  698. 25:14seen some netizens exposing this over
  699. 25:16the last couple of days. They say Pang
  700. 25:18Dong Lai once sold a set of cookware
  701. 25:20called "Deide," claiming it was a German
  702. 25:22product.
  703. 25:23Someone did a check, and this Deide
  704. 25:25cookware is actually manufactured in
  705. 25:27Huizhou, China.
  706. 25:29And it turns out that this Huizhou
  707. 25:31company originally registered the brand
  708. 25:33in Hong Kong.
  709. 25:34Then, they claimed it had German
  710. 25:36heritage.
  711. 25:38But some people looked it up and said
  712. 25:39this Deide cookware couldn't be found on
  713. 25:41the German trademark registry.
  714. 25:44And you couldn't find these Deide
  715. 25:45products on Amazon Germany either.
  716. 25:48Yet these Deide products were being sold
  717. 25:50at Pang Dong Lai. It seems this stuff is
  718. 25:52also specifically produced exclusively
  719. 25:54for China. They say someone has coined a
  720. 25:56term; it used to be "Made in China," but
  721. 25:58now there’s a term called "Made for
  722. 26:00China." Meaning it’s special goods
  723. 26:02produced specifically for China,
  724. 26:04supplied exclusively to China.
  725. 26:06So whether it's Kabenuo or Deide, they
  726. 26:08both belong to these products specially
  727. 26:10supplied to China.
  728. 26:12The reason these products can be
  729. 26:14promoted on a large scale in China, is
  730. 26:15actually because of the endorsement from
  731. 26:17companies like Pang Dong Lai; just think
  732. 26:19, without the backing of a company like
  733. 26:21Pang Dong Lai, if they wanted to rise
  734. 26:23from nothing, this...
  735. 26:25>> Hey,
  736. 26:26>> Phone, who's calling?
  737. 26:29>> Ah,
  738. 26:32Law-
  739. 26:34-yer.
  740. 26:42>> Hello, hello, which law firm are you
  741. 26:44from, and what do you want with me?
  742. 26:51Oh.
  743. 26:57Ah.
  744. 27:05I have something to attend to here, I'll
  745. 27:07first...
  746. 27:19Ensure customer health and safety in use
  747. 27:22.
  748. 27:24If it’s about consuming happiness, just
  749. 27:26remove those things that don't taste
  750. 27:28good.
  751. 27:33If it doesn't work well,
  752. 27:41if it’s not up to standard, you might as
  753. 27:43well just throw it away.
  754. 27:46Never let it just pass by; if you let it
  755. 27:49pass, you are consuming your own life.
  756. 27:55Actually, when you sell an item that
  757. 27:57isn't up to par, you are selling your
  758. 28:00own fortune, and also selling your
  759. 28:01company's...
  760. 28:08None. Regardless of the industry, keep
  761. 28:11kindness in your heart, ensure good
  762. 28:13quality, and treat your customers well.
  763. 28:15Right?
  764. 28:20After they buy it, if you lack the
  765. 28:21relevant expertise, you need to help the
  766. 28:23customer understand the product and
  767. 28:25realize what value your product will
  768. 28:27bring to their life.
  769. 28:34This must also be honest; you cannot
  770. 28:36have this, I mean, unreasonably high
  771. 28:38profit margins.
  772. 28:45That is absolutely not allowed, so at
  773. 28:47the very least, ensure that what the
  774. 28:49customer buys is consumption.

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