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0:01Hello guys and welcome back to the
0:03Blades and Banter. My name is Nolan
0:05Carney and I'm joined today by Cam
0:07Ryder.
0:08We were supposed to be joined by Clayton
0:10Gates as well, but apparently he's MIA,
0:14um aka
0:16uh he is recovering today. So we will
0:20maybe we'll see him next
0:22>> housewarming party last night.
0:23>> he just moved. He was, you know,
0:25welcoming everyone to the neighborhood.
0:28You know, we can't we can't expect
0:30everything out of everyone, but um Cam,
0:34I have to say before we even jump into
0:37any of the skating this weekend
0:41or any of the Cup of China skating this
0:43weekend, I need you to
0:46announce the the big the big news that
0:48you have because this is so exciting for
0:51us, for all of the three of us except
0:54for me cuz I'm not going, but
0:56for the two of you, Clayton and Cam,
0:58where where will you guys be next
1:00weekend?
1:01>> Well, first of all, the real big news is
1:02that it was my birthday two days ago.
1:04>> Yes, I do have that written down. First
1:06[laughter] off, I have that written
1:07down. It was the second thing I wanted
1:09to talk about, but
1:10happy belated birthday to Cam.
1:13>> you. The real big news though is that
1:16next week Clayton and I will be
1:18attending Skate America and we are going
1:20to do a meetup with uh all of our
1:24fans, I guess.
1:25>> Fans, I guess. I don't know, viewers.
1:27>> Viewers, yeah.
1:28>> I like viewers. I don't like the term
1:29fans. Like I like to think I like to
1:32think of everyone is like the same
1:35level, you know, like that we're all
1:37skating fans
1:39but we're all like you're a viewer of
1:41the show. Like you just watch and chat
1:43along with like you're our friends, you
1:45know, like
1:46I don't I don't view people as like a
1:48fan of a show like no.
1:49>> I don't know if some of the people in
1:50the comments would consider me their
1:52friend, but
1:53>> No, some may not like you.
1:55>> That's okay. They're still a part of
1:57this community, but the details for this
2:00um so it's going to be
2:02uh on the Friday of Skate America after
2:05the morning practices, but before the
2:08first event starts.
2:10So we are going to be meeting at
2:12Artisans Books and Coffee, which is
2:15right next to the arena,
2:174:00 p.m. on Friday, November 13th.
2:21>> And I will put all of this information
2:23down below and we'll post on the
2:25Instagram leading up to it.
2:27>> be making a graphic
2:29soon.
2:29>> Yeah. Um Oh, I got Canva
2:32>> or anything. It's totally free. Just
2:34>> I got Canva Pro.
2:36>> You did?
2:38>> I just got like so annoyed of like
2:41trying to find free templates.
2:43>> Oh my god. Yeah.
2:44>> I'll send you the login if you want.
2:46But okay. Um okay.
2:48>> be having a more beautiful graphic.
2:49>> Also, you didn't reply to my birthday
2:51text that I sent you. Just letting you
2:53know.
2:54I You know what? I'm calling you out.
2:56All right? I'm calling you out.
2:58But have you Oh, two other things that
3:01we need to talk about. One, we have So
3:03you know how last week we were talking
3:05about like how you can like call in on
3:07like a podcast and like leave a message
3:09or whatever.
3:10So I figured that out. We have something
3:11set up. It's called SpeakPipe.
3:14So I'm going to also link that below. So
3:15if you ever have questions or want to
3:18ask us something, you can make it
3:20completely anonymous. You can just you
3:22log I don't even think you log in.
3:23You'll just click the link that I have
3:25listed below.
3:26And you can leave like a voice memo for
3:29us and we can listen to it and answer
3:31your questions.
3:32If you want to leave feedback, you can.
3:34If you want to leave hate, you can do
3:35that too.
3:37All of that. But
3:39Cam, I have one more thing just to ask
3:40you before we jump into China. And
3:44Were you an avid viewer
3:47of the Eastern Sectionals this week?
3:48Because
3:49I was not an avid viewer. I was a fan. I
3:52was a fan viewer. And we need to talk
3:54about some things that happened there
3:55before we
3:57before we move along.
3:58>> You know, you're going to have to take
3:59me through it. I am a big fan of the
4:01Pacific Coast Sectionals. That was my
4:04writer guy.
4:04>> that, but
4:06>> My division.
4:06>> you need to be you need to be a fan of
4:08all You know what I love is that all the
4:10Sectionals have like a different vibe to
4:12it.
4:13Like Eastern Sectionals is like there's
4:14a lot of Russian coaches on the East
4:16Coast.
4:17>> Yes.
4:17>> like very like intense.
4:20You know?
4:21>> The Jersey girls The Jersey girls or
4:23then Boston girls are like they're
4:25aggressive. The skater yeah like
4:27>> And the men like
4:28>> upstate New York like the House of
4:30Diamonds or whatever like they're in the
4:32mix.
4:33>> So it's like very aggressive in Eastern
4:34Sectionals. And we had the pairs here.
4:36So you know like a pair girl like a pair
4:38girl is like very intense.
4:40>> Yes, I saw you posting about Starr
4:42Andrews.
4:43>> Did you watch Starr Andrews?
4:45>> No.
4:46>> Oh my god, Kim, they were really good.
4:49>> I heard. I saw that they looked good. I
4:52saw you predicting them to make the
4:53Worlds team in 2028.
4:55>> I legitimately think they're going to
4:57make Worlds next year, not this year,
4:58but next year.
4:59>> Wow.
5:01>> They were that good. Like right out of
5:03the gate really they only did a double
5:04twist, but we've seen the triple in
5:06practice, but the double twist was like
5:08huge.
5:10>> Okay.
5:11>> the side by sides are like the best side
5:13by sides any American pairs ever done.
5:16>> What's the combo?
5:18>> Uh I think it was like triple toe double
5:20Axel, something like that. Or maybe
5:21triple Sal. I don't remember, but
5:24and then she
5:24>> But they're also single Axels.
5:26>> No. She only did a throw double Lutz in
5:29the free skate. But but listen, she was
5:32showing us the triple in practice on the
5:34run throughs. So I think it was their
5:36first competition. We give them some
5:38slack.
5:39>> Okay.
5:40>> But you know what?
5:41>> throw triples by Nationals. You can do
5:43the double twist at Nationals.
5:44>> no. They did a throw triple Sal so late
5:47in the program, Kim. It was so
5:49impressive with how late it was.
5:51>> a great throw triple loop. Like
5:54>> Listen, she's new. All right, let's give
5:56her some time, all right?
5:57>> Her loop was one of her best jumps
5:59though.
6:00>> It was, but we'll we'll give her some
6:01time. We're going to get it's her she's
6:03been a pair girl for four months, all
6:05right?
6:07>> Wait, was were Deanna and
6:09>> No.
6:11I don't think they're competing this
6:12year.
6:14So, unless they miraculously get some
6:16bye somehow
6:18to Nationals, I don't think it's
6:19happening this year for them.
6:20>> Yeah, unless they get like Oh, they
6:22can't even get last minute entered at
6:23the Warsaw Cup. Like they can't compete
6:25internationally.
6:26>> They could go to Zagreb.
6:28>> No.
6:29>> Does Zagreb have pairs?
6:31>> But Deanna was competing for Canada like
6:35>> Oh, yeah, you're right.
6:37>> It's too soon.
6:38>> they just like gave them a bye because
6:40she's like Olympian.
6:42I don't know.
6:43Maybe they're just like you can just get
6:44a bye I don't know Maybe they just made
6:46up a rule for her to give her a bye I
6:47don't
6:49>> I
6:51Okay.
6:53It's reminding me of a certain scenario
6:56we saw.
6:57Um
6:58>> With [clears throat] Aljona?
6:59>> Yeah.
7:00>> I think it's going to happen.
7:02>> You think it's more real than that?
7:04>> real. Yeah.
7:05>> Okay.
7:06>> I want to know what her I really want to
7:08know what Deanna's
7:09goals are
7:11with this partnership. That's my
7:13>> I agree.
7:14>> Cuz like you've been world champion.
7:17Like you're probably not going to be
7:18world champion again, especially now
7:20like with what's going on in pair
7:22skating.
7:23Like what's the goal?
7:24>> don't know.
7:27>> I don't know. Um so Midwestern
7:29Sectionals are next week Oh, wait.
7:32So, guess what?
7:34US Figure Skating had a commentator for
7:36the senior events.
7:38And it was Danny O'Shea.
7:41And I was texting I was texting Jenny
7:44all weekend.
7:46She We were obsessed We were obsessed
7:48with Danny O'Shea as the commentator.
7:50Not even because Like listen, he wasn't
7:52the best. Like it was fine. It was his
7:53first time like
7:55but he had like an ASMR quality to him
7:58that was just like his voice was like so
8:01like
8:01a girl like a girl or a guy with like
8:03bomb and element and he'd be like oof.
8:06That was a tough fall. But it like had
8:08such a quality to it that it was just
8:10like
8:11so soothing that you were like, oh, it's
8:14okay. Keep going. Keep going. Like
8:16>> That's very nice.
8:18>> Um, but I hope he does all the sections.
8:20I hope he does everyone. I hope he does
8:22Midwesterns. I tried to ask in the chat,
8:24but he didn't reply to me, so
8:26[laughter]
8:28I went on my burner account too, so like
8:30they didn't know it was me. But um
8:33so then Midwesterns is next week.
8:35Uh I think they have the dance there, so
8:38>> Okay.
8:39>> And I feel like Midwesterns is like kind
8:41of like
8:42the like forgotten sister of the three
8:45sections. Like Easterns and Eastern and
8:48Pacifics are like so
8:50>> Oh yeah.
8:51>> yeah. And like Midwesterns is just kind
8:53of like there. But sometimes Mid gives
8:55us like
8:56an interesting event.
8:59But like Pacific Coast is like my
9:01favorite.
9:02>> Yes, it is, baby.
9:03>> It has to be like you love the
9:06California We love the California Rinks
9:08and like the California coaches are just
9:10like
9:11they always show up in like a really
9:12nice coat and
9:14>> The California girls are next level.
9:17>> They are. They're cutthroat.
9:19>> we get to see one of my favorite clubs,
9:21the Coyote Skating Club of Arizona.
9:22>> Yes. And they all show up in Lisa
9:25McKinnon dresses cuz she's right there.
9:27It's it's great.
9:29It's great.
9:30But
9:31>> It's going to be fun. I am excited for
9:32Pacific Coast.
9:33>> And you know what I love about this
9:36one more thing I have to say just about
9:38sectionals. I cuz I could do a whole
9:39episode I could do a whole episode on
9:42every discipline that happened there,
9:43but I'm not.
9:44>> my god.
9:45>> Um
9:46>> We'll do a sectionals roundup.
9:48>> Maybe we could do a sectionals roundup
9:49at the end. And like Okay, but what was
9:52I going to say? Crap.
9:55Uh
9:55Patrick
9:56>> I don't even remember what I was going
9:57to say. What were we talking about?
9:59>> Pacific Coast, Lisa McKinnon.
10:02Oh
10:04No, I don't remember what I was going to
10:05say.
10:06>> That's okay.
10:08>> I don't It's fine. All right, let's talk
10:10about the Cup of China finally because
10:13I've we've been talking about 10 minutes
10:14about random sections uh that have been
10:17going on.
10:19And oh, you know what I I figured out
10:20what it was.
10:21>> Okay.
10:22>> The reason I love sectionals more than
10:24like a Grand Prix is because there's
10:26more stakes on the line. Like you are
10:30like you are trying to make Nationals.
10:33And like for like this is like the
10:34pinnacle for a lot of these kids like in
10:36the sport is like making Nationals.
10:38>> Yeah.
10:38>> And it's like so
10:41and also you get to watch the younger
10:43levels before they like hate skating.
10:46And it's just like really refreshing.
10:48Like it's really refreshing. I don't
10:49know. Um I enjoy it so much. Like you
10:52get to see like the competitors fire
10:54>> do you go? Like are you watching the
10:55junior level?
10:56>> everything. I watch everything.
10:58>> Wow.
10:59>> I will watch like the kids doing like
11:01double loop, single loop.
11:02Like I don't it's so rewarding. It's so
11:05fun to watch.
11:06So
11:07>> I was a novice doing double lutz, double
11:10toe. You would novice. You would have
11:11been like get it together. But
11:14>> No, I'm never No, no, no. When I watch
11:16when I watch the younger like I I really
11:19am not like doing like looking at it
11:20from like a critical Like I will say
11:21like
11:22in my head I'll be like okay, I think
11:23this kid has a lot of potential to be
11:25really good.
11:26But like I'm not [clears throat] like
11:28I don't watch it with like a very
11:29critical eye. So
11:30>> It's funny. I remember watching
11:33Ilia at like
11:35>> Yeah.
11:35>> sectionals and Nationals.
11:38Like when he was in Junior and
11:39Intermediate.
11:40>> And he was like
11:42he struggled in one of them I think. Was
11:43it Junior or Intermediate? He had like
11:45>> I think he won Junior.
11:46>> Okay. There was one he said he did like
11:48really poorly at. I forgot which one it
11:50was.
11:50>> Intermediate or novice.
11:51>> But
11:53All right. Let's talk about China
11:55because
11:56this event Cam
11:58one I hate the time zone. I just
12:02it was really hard for me this week.
12:04Even last night at 12 at midnight, which
12:06I thought wouldn't be not too bad, I was
12:08pretty tired by the end of the men's
12:09event.
12:10>> It kind of worked great for me.
12:12>> Yeah, I
12:12>> know. It China works well for LA, I
12:14guess.
12:15>> Well, I it worked great for me because I
12:18could
12:19like on Friday I didn't watch any of it
12:21live on Friday or Saturday.
12:24Um but I could like wake up and like
12:25speed through before work, which is
12:27great.
12:27>> was nice to wake up for us to like have
12:30it there and we could kind of zoom
12:32through what happened.
12:33>> And then Saturday night last night at
12:35like 9:00 p.m. I was watching The Men
12:37and it was a great way to close out the
12:39evening and close out the event, like
12:41>> It was a great I'm happy that they did
12:43not do it all on cuz they did all the
12:46events on the first day and then they
12:47had three on the second and then
12:50I'm happy that they didn't try to cram
12:52all four in
12:54on the second day.
12:54>> It would have been a lot. It is weird to
12:56just have one event on the last I guess
12:57they're doing the gala today.
12:58>> They did the gala too, but
13:00>> I didn't watch it.
13:01>> Um
13:02can we
13:03Do you want to start with the dance?
13:05Because I don't want to I I'd like to
13:06get some controversy going, but also the
13:09pairs is a little boring, so
13:11it's kind of a boring way to start. But
13:13let's talk about the dance cuz that
13:14wasn't boring.
13:16>> Yes.
13:17>> Where do you want to begin?
13:21>> Whoa. Um
13:23>> have
13:24I do have something I'd like to say.
13:26>> Please.
13:28>> About
13:29our American Brady and Summerville.
13:35I think
13:37for them
13:39I would really encourage
13:41I cuz I really like them as a team
13:44and as people.
13:46I would really encourage them to
13:49think about
13:51what they want
13:53like what they would like want out of
13:54their coaching team
13:56and maybe to
14:00start planning for something
14:01start planning for something else
14:04start planning for maybe a
14:06a move.
14:08In my opinion,
14:10I think they could really benefit from
14:14having an outside a some having someone
14:17else look at their skating.
14:20>> It's tricky. Um
14:23>> Cuz I don't want to like say I like it's
14:26you obviously like they're with you know
14:29the the coaching team for a reason. They
14:31obviously like it but I just don't know
14:33if it's working
14:35out for them, you know?
14:38>> My I don't
14:40I agree with you
14:41but I also don't know where they go.
14:46>> I also don't know where they go either.
14:49I wonder if they think the same thing
14:50cuz like you can't go they're not going
14:52to go to Montreal.
14:53And I don't think Montreal would take
14:54them.
14:55No, cuz you don't want to be the second
14:58the second team.
14:59>> Or third.
15:00>> Or third really. Um
15:04Where do you go?
15:07>> Do you go to like
15:08>> look abroad?
15:10>> Yeah, my suggestion was to go on 23 and
15:14me and maybe start looking at other
15:17passports you can chop around too
15:19because I don't think they're making a
15:20team in the US this year.
15:23>> They've dropped a lot over the past like
15:25they've dropped if you really look at
15:26like the
15:28the trajectory like they've dropped a
15:30lot last year and especially this year.
15:33>> I think best case scenario they're fifth
15:36in the US
15:37but in reality they're probably more
15:39like sixth or seventh.
15:40>> Yeah.
15:41Cuz a lot of the other teams have been
15:43like Wolfkostin and Serevsky have been
15:46looking good.
15:47>> Mhm.
15:47>> They after kind of a not so great start
15:50to the year
15:51um the Browns have obviously skyrocketed
15:54skyrocketed up. They're going to be in
15:56the top four.
15:57>> Yeah.
15:58>> Um give it a couple more years.
16:00>> to them.
16:01>> Yeah, I was going to say give them a
16:02couple like a year and they could be
16:04probably even above them. Maybe even
16:07maybe not this year but maybe next year
16:09and a half.
16:10>> Maybe not this year in the results but I
16:12think that like Amy John could be
16:14above them in the free dance this year
16:17at Nationals.
16:17>> momentum wise
16:18>> I think they have
16:20more upward arc.
16:22>> Yeah. I agree.
16:23>> Which is which is tough. But I don't
16:26know. I don't know. Do they have Well,
16:28she used to skate for France.
16:30>> Did she?
16:32>> Yeah. I learned that while I was in
16:33while I was like doing my research for
16:34their interview.
16:36>> Well, I don't know if France is going to
16:37be the best home for them because
16:39>> that's true. That's very true.
16:42>> Maybe Switzerland.
16:44>> Yeah.
16:46Maybe Andorra.
16:47>> team? Do they? Andorra.
16:50I don't know. We'll have to see. But I
16:52think they need I need something I think
16:53they need something to They got to
16:55switch up something. I don't know. Maybe
16:56they bring in outside choreography next
16:58year if you want to say.
17:00They did?
17:01>> Yeah. I mean, that rhythm dances was
17:04done by a professional like Vogue
17:05choreographer.
17:07>> I'm talking about like an ice dance
17:08choreographer.
17:10>> Like a Christopher Dean?
17:11>> Someone like a Pasquali or someone like
17:13that. I don't know.
17:14But do you think he'd do it?
17:16>> was here. Pasquali was with Evan Bates
17:19for France.
17:19>> I was going to say. Do you think he'd do
17:22choreography for them because he works
17:23with
17:23>> doubt it. I mean,
17:27like I think they have to Mm.
17:30I really don't know.
17:34>> They got to do something different.
17:35>> bring in Ben Ben Agosto could do their
17:36choreography. I mean,
17:39>> Maybe.
17:42I don't know.
17:42>> It's a shame though because I
17:44don't dislike the program.
17:46>> Yeah. I do like the free dance.
17:49>> The rhythm dance I don't think works,
17:51but the free dance is pretty good. And
17:53it like fits in their wheelhouse. I do
17:55still think it makes them look young.
17:58Um
18:00like it's not um
18:02a mature
18:05I don't mean this negatively, but it's
18:06not like
18:07a mature program.
18:08>> you're saying. Like it's not un It's not
18:11immature, but it's not mature, you know?
18:14>> It's not like grand. It's more
18:19like
18:20>> I get what you're saying. You're
18:21>> not saying that they're like not mature
18:22skaters. It's just
18:25you know, it's like Queen. You know?
18:27>> Yeah.
18:28Very showy.
18:29>> It's very show and I think that it's
18:31flashy. It's a flashy program. It's not
18:33yeah. It's a different it's a different
18:34style of
18:36program. Um
18:37Demoge and Le Mercier, I don't have a
18:40lot of thoughts in general.
18:43>> I like them. I do. I think they're fun.
18:47>> Yeah.
18:48>> And I like both of these programs. And
18:49you know what I really like? Their
18:51coach.
18:53>> Okay. What do you like
18:54>> um reaction in the kiss and cry to their
18:56free dance scores?
18:57>> in the free dance score? Yeah.
18:59>> She was
18:59>> She was like she was like okay,
19:01whatever. Like are you for real? Like
19:04>> I get it. Like
19:05>> I get it too.
19:07But I wish that the I wish that the
19:09Tashlers like
19:11were a little bit more angry in the the
19:14with the scores. You know?
19:17>> kind of like lets it show on her face.
19:19It's a very like
19:21it's like a quiet sternness rather than
19:23like um
19:25Like you're never going to get the Ian
19:26Somerville like laughing in the kiss and
19:27cry last year from her.
19:29>> Like that's iconic.
19:30>> One of my favorite moments.
19:32>> Um
19:33I mean like I wish they would have like
19:35stormed out. Like you know like Irina
19:37Slutskaya used to like storm out of the
19:39kiss and cry. Or Maria Maria Butyrskaya
19:42did it the the best.
19:45Like
19:45I feel like Natalie Tashler could have
19:48done like a Maria Butyrskaya storm
19:50because
19:51she
19:52Listen, I'm not even like a Tashler like
19:55big big fan.
19:56>> Yeah.
19:56>> But they kind they deserve the bronze, I
19:59think. In my opinion.
20:00>> really don't ride for them like that.
20:01Like I've never been
20:03>> And I love Olivia. I'm Olivia down.
20:06All right? I'm Enigma down.
20:07>> was a mess this week though.
20:09>> Tim it was it was also Tim too. Don't
20:11come for my girl. He made some mistakes
20:14too. All right?
20:15>> Olivia the royal Olivia. Not
20:17specifically Olivia. The royal unit.
20:20>> Listen, they both on the in free dance,
20:24when I was like,
20:26when they start the twizzles and I'm
20:28like, oh my god, like at the first, it
20:30was the first one where you see like
20:32either Olivia came out early or Tim did
20:34one too extra. I was like, holy
20:36>> did or I think Olivia did one extra.
20:38>> I think No, I think No, cuz Tim kept
20:40going and Olivia was done.
20:42>> Olivia came out early.
20:44>> Yeah, I don't know cuz she got a level
20:45three, so maybe she lost I was like
20:47in my head I was like, holy
20:49like are you kidding I was just like so
20:51aggravated.
20:52>> I mean, and then the lift in the rhythm
20:54dance, too.
20:55>> I know, and it starts in the rhythm
20:57dance is so cool and you start out with
20:59the big mistake and I'm like, oh my god.
21:02>> Yeah. It's just a mess.
21:03>> is like a recurring pattern for them cuz
21:05they like
21:06>> was seeing too that like
21:09there was something in their What is it?
21:11The choreographic dance element that
21:12like the lift that she does where she's
21:14like upside down waving, apparently that
21:15was too long.
21:17>> It was three point Tony Wheeler posted a
21:20time slot of it. And first off, the fact
21:23that Tony Wheeler knows the like the
21:26the timing
21:28of everything, shout out to him cuz I
21:30could not know that rule. But
21:32he posted it and it was You can only
21:35have a mini lift for like under three
21:37seconds, I'm pretty sure.
21:39But theirs was like three point eight
21:40nine or three point nine or something,
21:42so they got the deduction.
21:44>> That's crazy.
21:46I feel like you have to do like
21:50it's so
21:51This is where I get annoyed with
21:53because it should be about like the
21:54spirit of the thing rather than like the
21:56exact timing because that is so clearly
21:58not a real lift.
22:00>> Why do we have to have a three second
22:02mini lift?
22:04Why does it have to be three? Like why
22:05can't it be like
22:07>> Why can't you just say a mini lift and
22:09let the skaters be adults and figure it
22:11out themselves?
22:13>> Also, why can't they differentiate
22:14between like Obviously there's one lift
22:17in the rhythm dance.
22:19So obviously when they do the stationary
22:22lift, that's the lift they're doing.
22:24Like so why you just use common sense?
22:28>> And like it's not hurting the program.
22:30It's not hurting the other skaters.
22:34I just don't
22:36know.
22:36>> If anything, it's like a risk for them
22:38cuz if they go down on a mini lift,
22:41that's like because they decided to make
22:42their program they decided to put it in
22:44their program. So that's their
22:46risk, you know? Like it's anything it's
22:48like a risk for the skaters themselves.
22:51>> Exactly.
22:52It's a risk versus reward situation.
22:55>> But there's no reward in this instance.
22:57>> Right. So it's just risk for the sake of
22:59it.
22:59>> deduction.
23:01Yeah.
23:03Risk for the sake of an award.
23:04>> a very cool moment though.
23:05>> It is cool.
23:09>> But yeah, I would have definitely had
23:10the
23:11bronze. I really like both of their
23:13programs.
23:15>> Yeah.
23:15>> the rhythm dance. They have a really
23:17great rhythm dance.
23:18>> They do. I have to say in general, it
23:21was just a very sloppy dance event from
23:23everywhere. Even like the top two had
23:24moments where it was like are you for
23:26real right now? Like
23:28I was like what's going on?
23:31Um
23:32But also for Olivia and Tim, I think
23:35this is like pretty much
23:37they're not making the final. Like it's
23:38it's done for them. There's like no way.
23:41>> The last time somebody made a final with
23:43a fourth was Caitlyn and John Luke made
23:45it with a fourth. They had a first and a
23:46fourth.
23:46>> third. They were third.
23:49>> Really?
23:49>> Smart Smart and Deek were third here.
23:52>> Oh.
23:54Yeah, I still yeah.
23:55>> But still their next event is NHK.
23:57>> Diana getting the silver. Like that that
23:59was probably their
23:59>> Reva Lopa Reva is going to get two
24:01silvers this week. So that's going to be
24:03another one.
24:05And their next event is NHK with Zingas
24:08and the Finns.
24:10So
24:11>> Yeah.
24:12>> I don't think they're going to be either
24:13of those two teams.
24:14>> who do we think the final is going to
24:15be?
24:17>> Um the French both French teams, I
24:20think.
24:20>> both French teams.
24:21>> Diana
24:23probably Zingas if she does well.
24:26Um Um, we at? Who are we missing? Lyla?
24:28Lyla, Lewis, or
24:29are in it.
24:31Uh, then we have one left. Are we
24:33missing anyone?
24:36Who have we not seen yet?
24:40>> Oh, French. That was Lobreba.
24:42>> Yeah.
24:43Who are we missing?
24:46>> Um
24:48I'm pulling it up.
24:49>> be the Finns?
24:51>> Oh, yeah, the Finns could make it too.
24:53Yeah.
24:54>> I guess it's between Olivia and Tim and
24:56the Finns.
24:56>> And the Finns, maybe.
24:57>> And Carreira.
25:00Those two are probably fighting it out
25:02for the
25:02>> But Carreira, they're all at Japan.
25:05>> Yeah.
25:06>> So
25:06>> probably going to come down to Japan.
25:09>> Yeah.
25:11And I think I think probably Smart and
25:14Dieck might I think Carreira could maybe
25:16beat them.
25:17Just with what we've seen this year.
25:21>> I don't know.
25:23We saw the way that Iam moves,
25:26especially this week.
25:28I don't know if it's going to happen.
25:32>> I think Turkkila will be second in Fin
25:35in um in Japan.
25:38>> Really?
25:39>> Turkkila has the program of the year.
25:41>> I agree. I 100% agree with you, but I
25:44just don't know.
25:46>> I think and the worlds are are the Euros
25:48are in Finland. I think they have the
25:49momentum.
25:51>> What's the Finland field?
25:54>> They that one's tough.
25:56>> I know Turkkila is there.
25:57>> Giam's there.
25:59>> Okay.
26:00>> Um
26:01I don't know who else, but
26:03>> Is Carreira there? No.
26:04>> No, Carreira is in Japan.
26:07Who else is in Finland?
26:10>> Grand Prix Finlandia Trophy.
26:12Pulling it up.
26:13>> Okay.
26:14>> Oh, Marjorie and John Luke are there.
26:16>> Yeah. I don't think they're going to be
26:18in because they're they're very very
26:20young.
26:22First year like
26:24>> Unan Gage and Caroline and Michael are
26:25also there.
26:27>> Those two are not going to make the
26:28final.
26:29>> I agree with you.
26:31So it's probably going to be between
26:34if Turkila gets the silver
26:36in Finland, then it's between Turkila,
26:39Olivia, and Christina, whoever gets
26:42silver at Nationals.
26:43>> needs to be silver in Japan. But also,
26:46they scored so low. You have to remember
26:48Olivia scored so low here. One 70 is not
26:51high.
26:52>> event.
26:53>> So
26:54if they if they do end up being tied
26:56with uh
26:58with Turkila
26:59>> They've already scored lower than
27:00Christina and Anthony did in France.
27:01>> I was saying like if they end up being
27:03tied, that's going to hurt them with the
27:04score.
27:05>> Yeah.
27:05>> So
27:07um
27:09So Diana and Gleb
27:11and Lylah and Lewis, let's just clump
27:13them together. These two teams were less
27:15than a point apart. That's crazy.
27:18>> Yeah.
27:18>> Or a little more than a point, but
27:20>> I think
27:22if Diana hadn't messed up those
27:23twizzles, they would have won.
27:25>> I think that listen, I think the Diana
27:26push is real this year. The Diana
27:29they are on a year I think they're going
27:31to be
27:32third at Euros.
27:35That's my prediction.
27:37>> Over who?
27:39>> Lylah. I think they're going to get them
27:41by the end of the year.
27:44>> No, Lylah would be second and they would
27:46be third. So ahead of the French, yeah.
27:48>> No, Turkila. I think Turkila is ahead of
27:50both of them.
27:51>> Wow, you do.
27:52>> think Turkila it is going to be in
27:54Finland.
27:56>> The but the Euros aren't in Finland.
27:58>> The Euros are in Finland.
28:01>> No, the Euros are in Switzerland. The
28:03Worlds are in Finland.
28:05>> Oh, I keep getting them mixed up. Okay,
28:08you're right. That is true. Yeah, that
28:10is true.
28:11Um
28:13I just think I don't know. I think
28:14Turkila is going to have it this year. I
28:16think Lylah and Lewis's programs are not
28:18good.
28:19Um
28:20Diana's and Diana's been making the
28:22improvements over the past few years and
28:26I think we're going to see that
28:27cultivate for her.
28:29I think by the final maybe.
28:32That 's my guess.
28:33>> I just
28:35they can't make any more mistakes.
28:37>> I mean, the Twizzle error is like it was
28:39unex- you know, like unacceptable. You
28:41can't do that and expect to be
28:42>> like the way that Lilo and Lewis have
28:45succeeded is by being consistent.
28:48And so
28:49Diana and Gleb also have to be
28:51consistent if they have a chance of
28:52moving ahead of them.
28:54>> Yes.
28:55Yes, I agree with that.
28:58>> And like
28:59>> I mean, Lyla's had like
29:01Listen, those Twizzles over the past two
29:03events
29:05they are still scary. Like they have
29:06some sort of mental block on these
29:08Twizzles.
29:09And I I mean, I I can understand it. I
29:11mean, you have you bomb them twice in
29:13two of your biggest events last year.
29:16>> Mhm.
29:16>> I mean, I'm not surprised that there is
29:18some sort of mental block around them,
29:20but
29:22like their rhythm dance is fine, Lyla
29:24and Lewis.
29:25It just does not it's not like a
29:26standout, but it's fine.
29:28>> Whatever.
29:31>> Okay.
29:31>> It's Okay, of the top
29:34five teams here, it was my least
29:35favorite.
29:38>> Okay.
29:39Yeah, I can see that.
29:41Like I think Diana and
29:44Tashlers and Olivia
29:46great rhythm dances, all of them. Even
29:48though they were all executed
29:50>> had the clown program, which I like, the
29:51Amalie.
29:53>> Demosier, do they do that? They did a
29:55clown.
29:55>> did Amalie, right?
29:57>> Okay.
29:58I thought you were talking about
29:58Loperiva. What are they doing again? I
30:00forgot which one is that.
30:01>> Loperiva does like the actual clown.
30:03Demosio does the Amalie.
30:05>> Amalie clown. Okay.
30:07There's too many I can't keep all the
30:08clowns in check, man. Everyone's doing
30:10some sort of character program this year
30:12for a Waltz competition.
30:13>> a real Waltz.
30:14>> Except the Tashlers.
30:16>> Beast?
30:18>> Aren't the Tashlers doing their OG
30:19Waltz?
30:19>> Yes.
30:20They are.
30:21But where is my Sweet and Tender Beast?
30:24>> But do you have any final thoughts
30:26really about the I mean, just like the
30:27dance I don't think we have
30:30It was not a great event, a little
30:31messy.
30:32>> No, I mean, the wonderful Sarah Hughes
30:34tweet did that I sent to you.
30:37Sarah Hughes, not Olympic champion Sarah
30:38Hughes, was fitting some bars on
30:39Twitter.
30:41>> She's she's upset. I'm sure she is team
30:42Tarsova's. If she was tweeting that.
30:46>> I think that um
30:48Natalie Tarsorova should file a
30:50petition.
30:52Um I think that
30:54they It's just
30:56we know what's happening.
31:00So I don't know why I'm surprised every
31:01time.
31:03But
31:04it's still just so frustrating to watch
31:07the
31:08Montreal
31:10sway.
31:12>> Yeah.
31:13Who were on the judging? Who's the judge
31:15panel? I mean
31:17the controller was Italian and the
31:19specialist was French.
31:23>> Interesting.
31:25>> Hm.
31:27Yeah. All right, you want to talk about
31:29the pairs? I want to I want to get the
31:30pairs over with. I'm going to be honest.
31:32>> I'm going to be honest too. I didn't
31:34watch.
31:35>> I know. You texted me and you were like,
31:36should I watch the pairs? And I was
31:37like, no. It's like not
31:40So I'll get I'll break it down for you
31:42cuz I think I Did I have to break down
31:43the pairs for you last week?
31:44>> god, we also forgot to do fantasy.
31:47>> It's fine. We'll add it up at the end.
31:49We'll add it up at the end.
31:50>> Um no, I did You had to describe pairs
31:53to Clayton in France. I watched pairs
31:55last week.
31:56>> true. Oh, that is true. That's true.
31:58>> Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
32:00Um
32:02it really So obviously the two
32:04headliners coming in were Matalkina and
32:05Brilava and Machine on Galyamova. These
32:07were the two everyone was like, let's
32:09see the showdown, blah blah blah blah.
32:10Everyone's excited.
32:12And Machine on Galyamova skated and they
32:14were in the first group cuz it's no
32:15world ranking, etc.
32:17They skated clean short. It's fine. It's
32:20very nice.
32:21They go really
32:22>> had a program this season. What are they
32:24skating to?
32:25>> Uh I don't remember what the short is,
32:26but the short The short's like some sort
32:28of like epic
32:30version of a song. It's fine. It's
32:32really It's not offensive.
32:33>> And then are they doing in the games in
32:35the free? Is that right? No.
32:37>> Matalkina.
32:38The The free
32:39>> skate is Liba Strom, but it's like
32:42there's a singers singing over the song
32:45like over the music.
32:47It's very it's like two love it's about
32:48like a love story. So they have like a
32:49woman and a man singing and
32:52>> Okay.
32:52>> It's
32:53it's a little interesting. It's not it's
32:56not
32:57Mishkutenok and Dmitriev.
33:00It was not not their Liba Strom.
33:03But
33:05so the
33:09Next group we go we see all the other
33:11teams. I'll get to them later. Matalkina
33:13and Berulava go
33:15and they do the triple Salchow to start
33:18really good and then they go up for the
33:20twist.
33:21Crashy landing.
33:23Really really crashy landing.
33:26They do the flip, they do the lift
33:28and then we we have issues with the
33:31pivot on the death spiral.
33:33>> this. I did see this.
33:34>> so we don't get a death spiral at all.
33:38>> And I saw that it was like a very very
33:40strict call. Like not everybody agrees
33:42with this call.
33:44>> I I don't know. KMT, let us know what
33:46you think.
33:48Then we get or Megan Duhamel too, let us
33:50know.
33:52Call in. I'll put the link.
33:55Pairs combo spin three, step sequence
33:57two. They were eight points back, seven
34:01points back.
34:02So you it was like there's no you were
34:05like okay, this is over. Like there's no
34:07interest in this event anymore.
34:09And so then they both go into the free
34:11skate, both skate fine free skates. I
34:13think Matalkina had
34:17they had a little dicey lifts towards
34:19the end. His his
34:20you know, he's been good with his work
34:21this year, but I would say it got a
34:23little scary
34:25towards the end of the program. he
34:27lowered Juri on the group five lift and
34:29the group three lift as well. So
34:32>> They're susceptible to that. Like it's
34:34not a surprise, but
34:35>> Yeah.
34:37And then Mishina and Galliamov skated a
34:39clean long other than she had a little
34:42bit of a wonky first triple salchow on
34:44that Euler triple salchow combination.
34:47>> Ugly combination.
34:48>> Yeah, and then the rest of it was fine.
34:52No one stood out. It wasn't like there
34:53wasn't like they both they just both
34:55skated clean and you were like, okay.
34:57>> Mhm.
34:58>> stood out. But I think for Mishina and
35:01Galliamov,
35:03way higher score than um Boikova put up
35:06in France.
35:08>> Okay.
35:09>> So they're making their statement to be
35:11the top. And I think I think they'll
35:13eventually will they'll win out
35:15for the um
35:17>> Even Okay, you think they're the ones to
35:19win Worlds.
35:21>> They've always been the more consistent
35:22team. I feel like in my opinion
35:24throughout the years we've seen them and
35:27I think they're going to win out
35:30just because they think they have more
35:33It's a little bit more palatable than
35:35Boikova, you know?
35:37>> I mean the Wakanda is really tough.
35:39>> Yeah, and I'm not a huge fan of the
35:41Carmen. The the Libestrom's like fine.
35:44>> Okay.
35:44>> It's a It is a repeat program too, so.
35:47>> The real
35:48it should be Chock and Bates
35:51>> I know. I hope they all So I've So you
35:54know what's so funny?
35:56Everyone keeps saying like, oh, they
35:57have the visas, they don't have the
35:59visas for Finland.
36:01I hope these pair teams get the visas
36:03for Finland for this Finlandia cuz I
36:05want to see all three of them
36:07and Lia and Trent in the I need to see
36:09this pair competition.
36:10>> gosh.
36:11>> It would be so good.
36:15>> It would be good.
36:16>> Cuz what if like Chock and Bates like
36:18throws it down and wins? What do you do
36:19then?
36:22>> I I'm happy.
36:23>> what if what if the our girl does it?
36:26What if Ekaterina lands all her throws
36:29and her side by sides?
36:30>> It would be wonderful.
36:32>> I know.
36:33Um
36:35>> I will also say
36:36we in the comeback of the Russians, it
36:39was always discussed how like pairs is
36:41really going to elevate the field and
36:43like Russian pairs coming back is going
36:45to be oh so amazing.
36:46>> I really don't know that that's the
36:48case.
36:49Like
36:49>> I mean they're definitely competitive.
36:52>> Right.
36:53But the programs are just not great like
36:56I don't know. I expected more.
36:58>> I've listened to You know what I've
37:00listened I've listened to some other
37:01podcasts like the one the one Russian
37:03podcast The Clean Tale
37:05um
37:07I think they talked about at one point
37:09how
37:10staying in like when they were in
37:13when they were competing with each other
37:14in the ban they only saw each other like
37:18skating.
37:19So they all stayed within the same they
37:22stayed within the same realm of programs
37:24and then when you're competing
37:25internationally you see so many
37:27different styles of programs.
37:29So I think that because they stayed
37:31insular they didn't really expand and
37:33try new types of vehicles and styles
37:37and that is
37:39kind of hurting them a little bit when
37:41they come back.
37:43>> That makes a lot of sense.
37:44>> but that's just something that I it was
37:46really interesting the discussion. I
37:47forgot what else they said but I
37:49remember I think it was one of their
37:50episodes they said something around the
37:52lines of that but
37:53>> Um
37:55>> um
37:56the other teams Nagaoka Murakami look
37:58like they need some time.
38:01Um
38:01>> they're coming off of some injuries.
38:04>> I probably would have had Akopova and
38:06Rakhminin in the bronze over them.
38:08>> Really? Okay.
38:09>> Just when I was watching it I just kind
38:11of thought like when it all finished
38:14without looking at the numbers I was
38:15like
38:16this feels like it was a cleaner
38:17program. I would have I think this
38:19should probably go ahead.
38:22Um
38:24let me look at what actually happened
38:25now.
38:27Cuz
38:28I mean I guess they got
38:30it just felt like Yuma and Sumitata had
38:32like
38:33more
38:35mistakes on multiple elements where
38:37Karina and Nikita had like
38:40two errors on like one on the side by
38:42side and one on the other one but it was
38:44like kind of a more minor mistake
38:46>> Um
38:46>> on the second one,
38:48where they felt like they just kind of
38:49had
38:51like the throws kind of just kept or
38:53kept adding up. Then they had like the
38:54twist wasn't great.
38:56The pair spin at the end was really
38:58slow. It just looked like they needed a
39:00lot more time to train.
39:02Um
39:04I don't know if their programs are
39:05as great this year either. I don't think
39:08it's as magical as like the free skate
39:09was last year where just everything just
39:11ebbed and flowed so well.
39:13It looks like they're trying to stretch
39:14themselves this year and
39:17>> I mean this is the year to do it, but
39:19>> Yeah, no it is. I think it's just they
39:21need more time.
39:24So
39:25>> And we'll see them at NHK, I assume.
39:27>> I think so.
39:29Let me check.
39:30Yeah.
39:31>> Okay.
39:31>> But I just think when everything
39:32finished, I was just like, oh maybe I
39:34was like, okay I think Korea and Nikita
39:36have it. And then
39:37they were really was a really close. It
39:39was
39:41181.5
39:42and 181.46
39:44>> Ooh.
39:46>> So
39:46>> Wow.
39:48>> It was really close. Um
39:50>> Interesting.
39:51>> And then Chelsea and Ryan beat Valentina
39:53and Max. So that was a big deal.
39:56>> Yeah.
39:58That's exciting.
39:59>> They had a great short.
40:01>> Chelsea?
40:02>> Yeah, they landed the triples. They
40:03landed the the throw. It was great. So
40:08Okay. That's the pairs.
40:11>> That's the pairs.
40:12>> Let's talk about
40:14this was controversial.
40:16>> Yeah.
40:17>> I mean to me it wasn't, but it became a
40:20controversy.
40:22>> Unfortunately, it became a controversy
40:24for
40:26not fun reasons.
40:27>> Yes. So this is the women's event now
40:31>> Yes.
40:31>> where By the way, the women's event is
40:34been taken off of um the ISU's page
40:37because
40:38one of the skaters was skating to
40:41um
40:42so like a selection of music from a
40:43specific artist and the artist
40:45apparently is like
40:47very on top of all the the rights. So
40:51they
40:52must have filed immediately and were
40:54like take this down.
40:56>> That's how
40:56>> So you can't even watch the women's free
40:58skate anymore on the ISU page
41:00page.
41:01>> I wonder who it was.
41:03>> Uh it was Alina Bonilo.
41:06[snorts] So
41:09um oh by the way Rinka Watanabe not her
41:12weekend. Not our not our girls weekend.
41:16>> Is she our girl?
41:17>> No, not really. But just I like her. I
41:20like I like her interest with
41:24bugs. Is that what it was? Yeah.
41:26>> Isopods?
41:28>> Yeah, we love a hobby queen, you know?
41:30>> I agree.
41:31>> By the way I have been getting into I
41:33have been so into making sourdough now.
41:35>> You've been very into the sourdough.
41:37>> I've been taking I decided that I'm
41:39taking a break. What?
41:41>> You're doing the flavored breads like
41:42the cinnamon bread?
41:43>> I did the inclusions. Yeah, I'm going to
41:44make a chocolate loaf next week.
41:47>> Ooh.
41:48>> People um
41:50people are already been messaging me.
41:51They're like can I buy a loaf? And I'm
41:53like
41:55>> I don't know if that's
41:55>> not I'm not a micro bakery yet. All
41:57right, let's calm down. [laughter]
41:59But
42:00All right, what are your what are your
42:02thoughts on some of the other women?
42:04>> Really quick on Rinka um
42:07last week we were talking about Skizas
42:09and if we thought Skizas was going to
42:11make it all four years.
42:12Kind of in the same boat with Rinka.
42:14>> And Rion, can we throw Rion in that
42:16conversation now?
42:18>> Just like
42:20if they're still skating for the joy of
42:21skating, absolutely.
42:23>> Yeah.
42:24>> But if they're skating to try to make
42:25teams, I just don't know if that's going
42:27to happen for either Rinka or Rion.
42:30>> Yeah.
42:31Cuz this I mean you got to remember like
42:33Japan has Mai Hada coming up next year.
42:37>> And you keep seeing people like Mako
42:39Yamashita, Saki Miyaki like
42:41the field is changing into a pan and
42:44>> Yeah. So yeah.
42:45>> just like Rinka and Rion are not
42:47>> Kai Yamada, the junior with Mia Hamada,
42:50she'll be moving up soon.
42:51>> Oh, you
42:52>> really like her, right?
42:53>> the one girl that did the peacock,
42:55she'll be senior next year, too.
42:57>> Wow.
43:00>> Yeah. So, I mean the Japanese field just
43:02keeps getting deeper and deeper and
43:03deeper with
43:05every day.
43:06>> As we say every time.
43:08>> Um
43:09>> What I like though is with the Japanese
43:11field is that
43:12there's always room for somebody to pop
43:15back up, like Yuna Aoki popping back up
43:18a couple years ago, this year with Saki
43:20and Mako
43:21both popping out.
43:21>> leave room for someone to come back if
43:23they want to, you know?
43:25>> Yeah, like Mako was not in the
43:28conversation for like
43:30six years if not longer.
43:32>> A long time.
43:33>> now she's back, like
43:36hardcore back.
43:37>> Do you remember when she did the
43:39program at Skate Canada that year where
43:42it had the really awful woman singing?
43:45>> Yes.
43:46>> That was like iconic.
43:49She should bring back just for like
43:51>> and a flip toe in the same program.
43:53>> I know. She should bring it back just
43:55for time's sake, the like the not so
43:57great woman singing. Like we love it.
43:59But now she's like
44:00>> Was it a Carmen?
44:02>> I don't know. But now she's like in her
44:03edgy alt girl era. Like she has the
44:05short Michelle Kwan hair. Like I love
44:07the look.
44:07>> Oh, it looks good. I love her hair.
44:10>> Um I didn't watch her free skate, but I
44:12know she did Bolero and everyone was
44:15saying it was like kind of not great,
44:16but I feel like the concept of a Bolero
44:19could be really good for her.
44:21>> Yeah. I think it really started to pick
44:23up in the end as Bolero tends to do.
44:26Like she matched the build of the music
44:28very well. It wasn't as clean
44:29technically as the short, but
44:33I'm so glad that she got this
44:35opportunity and I hope she keeps getting
44:37more.
44:38>> Well, I mean she scored pretty well,
44:39193, so maybe she'll get like one Grand
44:42Prix again next year.
44:44>> Yeah, I mean in Japanese Nationals we'll
44:46see how it goes. Like
44:48>> Yeah.
44:48>> get a host spot.
44:50>> Um Bev Zhu from Yizu, Bev Zhu from
44:53China, shout out to her, our girl.
44:55>> Yeah, that she had a great free skate.
44:58>> She did. And you know what?
45:00She We've been battling She's been
45:02battling Boyang Jin for so long. Always
45:05second fiddle to her.
45:06>> One year. Boyang was like a fresh senior
45:09last year.
45:10>> Whatever. She's been battling Boyang Jin
45:11for a while for these spots. And you
45:13know what?
45:14I always knew. I said Bev Zhu is like
45:16the one to look for.
45:18And she did it. And maybe we'll see her
45:20at Worlds later in the year. We can only
45:22hope.
45:24But
45:24>> I like both of them, so I'm happy either
45:26way. But
45:27Bev Zhu kind of pulled it out at this
45:29competition.
45:30>> But And then
45:31>> I love a ghost program. Love ghost.
45:33>> And then Sophie Jolene pulled up. She
45:36eased the technical in the free finally.
45:38And skated a clean long and pulled up.
45:41So good for her. That was It was a good
45:43good successful outing.
45:45>> Yeah. I mean, the Axel when it's on is
45:48really good.
45:49Um
45:51I'm glad she didn't I'm Yeah, she sort
45:53of tempered our expectations of her
45:56in the free skate and it really worked
45:58out.
45:58>> good for her to build some positive
46:00momentum.
46:01>> after that What was it? The Budapest
46:02Trophy where she was like 20 something.
46:04It was one of the
46:05>> mean, she only did five jumping passes
46:07there. Like she needed to have a good
46:09showing here.
46:10>> Yeah. I'm glad she did. I'm glad she had
46:12this rebound moment at her Grand Prix
46:14debut.
46:15>> And she'll be going to Skate America
46:17next week.
46:19>> Oh, really?
46:20>> Yeah, her and Sasha are doing the
46:21back-to-back. So
46:23>> Oof.
46:25Uh yeah.
46:25>> fairer, I don't think it's that bad of
46:27traveling. Like China to Washington.
46:31>> Yeah, West Coast of the US.
46:33>> Not terrible.
46:34>> Could be a lot worse.
46:36>> Yeah.
46:36>> Um
46:37I think based on this
46:40and based on other things, I do think
46:43Sophie Jolene is like in the
46:44conversation for making
46:46>> Yeah, Amber Like we'll have to see what
46:48really happens with Amber
46:50if she shows up.
46:52>> I mean,
46:54>> I think Sarah will get it together.
46:56>> I hope so.
46:57>> Um,
46:58but I think the conversation just got a
47:00lot more interesting.
47:01>> Yeah, she needs to But she needs to do
47:03it again.
47:04>> Yes.
47:05>> She has to do it again to build
47:06momentum.
47:07Yeah.
47:09Uh, God, I was really
47:12disheartened for Laura Maki Goodman
47:15in the free when we popped both of those
47:17lutzes because we did the triple flip
47:19this time.
47:20>> Yeah.
47:22It reminds me of Wakaba a little bit.
47:25>> Yeah, we're like
47:26>> was thinking about Wakaba Higuchi when I
47:28think of Laura Maki.
47:29>> have like one big pop.
47:31>> Yeah.
47:32>> Yeah.
47:33>> But the rest of the program is still so
47:35good, but like you know that because of
47:37the pop like it's going to be
47:38>> There's just nothing you can do.
47:40>> Yeah.
47:40>> There's so many points lost there.
47:43>> These programs are growing on me. I know
47:45you and Clayton are like really really
47:46riding hard. I don't know if I'm quite
47:48there yet, but the free skate is
47:49>> for the free skate.
47:52And the short's cute, too. But the free
47:53skate is like she's like
47:56Kim, she's a water activist, all right?
47:59She is
48:00>> I get it.
48:01>> She's a climate activist. Yeah. You
48:03can't hate on our girl.
48:05>> All the shaking stuff is really good.
48:07>> No, it is. All right, she might have
48:09been the glacier that hit
48:11Anna Frolova's Titanic, but we don't we
48:13don't know.
48:16>> I do think she was underscored in the
48:17short, too.
48:19>> I would have had her
48:21probably ahead of Sasha.
48:23>> I agree.
48:25Also, even with my full chest, she
48:26should have been had a Sasha
48:28>> In the short, yeah.
48:30>> getting the score that Gubanova got.
48:33I was surprised that
48:34>> I know she does a toe toe, but like the
48:36toe toe's so good, the lutz is so good,
48:38the spins are great, the steps are
48:39amazing.
48:41>> Everything was executed really really
48:43well in that short program.
48:44>> it's just like such a high quality.
48:46Um,
48:48Gubanova, I mean, do you think she
48:50should have I've seen some people say
48:51she should have been on the podium over
48:53Hyan. I'm like I don't really think it's
48:56that big of a deal.
48:57>> I don't know. I mean, they're both
48:59>> They They had
49:00>> To
49:00>> it's kind
49:00>> of a toss up either way. They both don't
49:03have the cleanest jumps and they
49:04sometimes get called, sometimes they
49:06don't. I think Haein is more
49:08charismatic. I think Gubanova
49:12>> I mean Haein got the They gave Gubanova
49:14the PCS, so
49:17>> Okay.
49:19>> Listen, I do think they were generous to
49:21Haein. They only gave her a cue on the
49:23triple Lutz triple toe.
49:25>> That's very generous.
49:26>> I don't know if that was a cue.
49:29Um they did plenty of her other jumps,
49:31so
49:31>> thing with Haein is especially in this
49:33free skate, it really built in like the
49:35ending was better than the start. I
49:37think Gubanova sometimes you can see the
49:38fatigue by the end of the program.
49:40>> Gubanova starts out hot and then burns
49:42out by the end normally. That's what her
49:46And the way that Haein ends that free
49:48skate with the choreo sequence into that
49:50choreo spin at the end like that's
49:53very appealing, very interesting to
49:55watch, so
49:56>> Yes.
49:58>> that
49:59And to me, I feel like that leaves such
50:00a really big impact, so I can see why.
50:05>> The triple Axel was good, too. Like
50:07>> Yeah, she's been getting it really
50:08consistently. She was She started it um
50:13started it in landed one in like a
50:16ranking competition a couple weeks ago
50:18in Korea.
50:19And then here in the short and the free
50:22pretty good for her.
50:23>> not expecting it in the short.
50:25>> Yeah, she's been going for it.
50:27>> Yeah, and then what? Pop the Lutz
50:29afterwards.
50:31>> Very Very typical for her.
50:33>> Yeah.
50:34>> Uh but I think Listen, I think for her,
50:38it's looking like it'll be maybe her and
50:39Young You
50:41as like the top maybe again going to
50:43Worlds again for the two Korea.
50:45We'll have to see, but
50:47>> Whoever three
50:49spots You got three spots. They really
50:50just need three spots so bad.
50:52>> Yeah, I think hopefully if those two go,
50:55they can have a good showing and perform
50:57well.
50:58>> Yeah.
51:00>> Cuz I think they deserve the three spots
51:02especially
51:03what's going. And you got to think, you
51:05got to think US will probably drop this
51:07year.
51:08>> Drop from three to two, presumably.
51:10>> If Amber We'll have to see if Amber
51:12goes, but
51:13uh USA will probably drop to two.
51:16Russia will probably get two or three
51:18back.
51:19Japan will be
51:20>> but they only have one person. So like
51:21there's only so many people that can go
51:23ahead of
51:24>> Yes, yes, yes.
51:25Uh
51:27Laura will probably keep two for Italy,
51:29maybe.
51:30>> Yeah.
51:31>> She can't pop down.
51:32>> that it's right now it's probably going
51:33to be Serena Juice and not
51:36Anna Pazzetta.
51:37>> Anna Pazzetta, yeah.
51:39Uh
51:39>> I also Sorry, really quick, on Han.
51:42I missed this program on the Challenger
51:45series, but I knew it was Great Gatsby
51:47and I was very excited.
51:48This is not a Gatsby program.
51:50All love.
51:51>> It's You know what it's it's
51:52>> It's Lana Del Rey
51:54It is not Gatsby.
51:55>> But that was in the movie, so you know
51:58why they
51:59are calling it Gatsby.
52:00>> Gatsby, I think like Marina Gasu 2016
52:05like
52:05>> also had Lana Del Rey in it.
52:07>> It did, but it had so much other stuff,
52:09too.
52:11>> Okay.
52:11>> It had like all the party numbers.
52:13Like this does not evoke Gatsby to me.
52:18>> Okay. All right, we get it.
52:21>> It's like when you do a Titanic program,
52:23you don't just do My Heart Will Go On.
52:25You do My Heart Will Go On and other
52:27stuff.
52:27>> I agree. No, I agree with that. I do
52:29agree with that. Um
52:33It works for her, though.
52:35>> Yeah, I mean it's not a bad program.
52:36>> really The short program being
52:38experienced, though, is like tough for
52:41me. I'm sorry. Like
52:42>> Uh
52:43Hey, it's not experienced. It's Circles.
52:46>> Oh, whatever. Sorry, the same thing. I'm
52:48so sorry that Experience and Circle
52:50Aren't they the same song?
52:51>> burning
52:53down. We're burning down.
52:56>> It's the same song. Like in my mind,
52:58it's the same
52:59>> exact [laughter] same song.
53:01>> Like why are we pretending Okay.
53:03Circles, Experience
53:05>> this before. We
53:05>> did this last week.
53:07>> I know. And they're all the same. It's
53:10the same [ __ ]
53:10>> circles, the rain in your black eyes,
53:12the lighthouse, the
53:15um
53:17>> In the short
53:17>> want the sun to burn without you.
53:19>> Yeah, that without you. Yeah.
53:22We have the same I'm sorry.
53:23>> Leave the light on.
53:25>> Yeah.
53:27Uh but yeah, high and Lee great. It was
53:29a good week for her.
53:30>> a home. That's the other one. To build a
53:31home.
53:32>> It was a good week for her. She Listen,
53:34she could have been in it more if she
53:36had a good short.
53:39>> Yeah.
53:41She could have been close.
53:42>> who's ever going to get silver, but
53:44>> No, but she could have been close.
53:48High and and Gia, let's go. Come on
53:50girls. Let's have a good year.
53:52Let's have a good year. Let's get three
53:54spots.
53:56>> So that way Nolan doesn't have to keep
53:57sweating. Like
53:59>> I know. I'm not loving it this year. The
54:00heat is on.
54:02All right?
54:02>> Yeah.
54:04>> Uh
54:05All right, let's talk about
54:06>> You next week.
54:07>> Yeah, we do. And she's had a good year
54:09so far. Um let's talk about the two
54:12girls at the top, Mone Chiba and
54:14Alexandra Trusova, Alexandra Ignatova.
54:17Um
54:20this was So let's go let go program by
54:23program. Let's go short program first
54:25and then let's go free skate.
54:27>> Okay.
54:28>> short program Trusova is in the first
54:31group.
54:32She lays it down like she does all of
54:34her jumps, you know, loop, axel, Lutz
54:37toe.
54:38>> Mhm.
54:38>> By the way, I saw people online trying
54:40to say that they thought her triple Lutz
54:42triple toe wasn't stable
54:44in the short program and I was like, are
54:46we watching the same thing? Like
54:48for Sasha. I was like that's a very
54:50>> it was good. It was a very good Lutz. I
54:52don't know what people are saying.
54:53But then she gets we get out of Oh,
54:57we get out of the Lutz toe.
55:00And we do the spin steps and the other
55:02spin.
55:04And
55:05not the best overall. We get We're 11th
55:07on the sit spin. We're 11th on the
55:10combination spin.
55:11>> For V.
55:13>> Yeah, with the V losing in the base
55:14value. But one thing about Sasha is
55:16we've seen also that she had her left
55:18knee taped here,
55:20um
55:22which she didn't say she was like
55:24minoring an injury, but I would have to
55:26say that
55:27all of these skaters are kind of
55:30a lot of them here are probably
55:31harboring some sort of small injury that
55:33they're not going to share.
55:35You know.
55:36>> the ones [laughter] with the Terry.
55:38>> Yeah. Listen, anyone has got And not
55:40even just the ones with the Terry. It's
55:41like all these skaters are going to be
55:42like, you know what? We got a small
55:44injury. We're just going to shut up
55:45about it.
55:45>> Some aches, some pains, some twinges.
55:48>> And her having it on the left leg to me
55:51is an indication that they're really
55:52drilling the toe right now
55:54because that's like the the toe is all
55:57on the left leg really.
55:58>> And that's the next step for her. That's
56:00what she needs.
56:00>> the next jump. Yeah.
56:03So that makes a lot of sense and you
56:05could tell when we get to the free skate
56:06like
56:07when she did the Lutz and then she did
56:09the toe after it on the second one like
56:10>> do it.
56:11>> I was like that girl is in some pain.
56:13But
56:14I just thought here
56:16in both the free and the short
56:18um the jumps were good, but everything
56:21else I thought was a little bit labored
56:24and a little slower than what we've seen
56:26earlier in the year from her.
56:28>> She doesn't maximize the non-jumping
56:31elements.
56:32>> Yeah, but I don't think she has the
56:34like on the spins, I don't think she has
56:36like the flexibility to maximize them.
56:39>> I think though that like
56:42they're slow.
56:43Like that's not a flexibility thing.
56:46That's a spin technique thing and that's
56:48a maybe not practicing them or
56:51maybe that's just not the focus, but
56:53that's something that is not dependent
56:55on speed.
56:56>> And it's interesting because back in the
56:59day like
57:01the Terry girls all used to really
57:03maximize the spins. Like even Sasha used
57:05to maximize Like she used to have
57:08better spins than what she did
57:10now. Now, obviously that's when she was
57:12like 14.
57:14>> Right.
57:15>> a lot has changed. You know, she's
57:17become a woman, she's had a child, etc
57:19etc.
57:20But I also don't think
57:22>> Yeah.
57:22>> I don't think it's her area of focus.
57:25Yeah.
57:28>> Um
57:29yeah, it
57:30But that's what lost her the event.
57:33>> Yeah, when you look at it like cuz then
57:35you look at and even though Mai Chiba
57:37had By the way, some people were trying
57:39to say she double -footed her double
57:41axle in the short.
57:42>> Shut up.
57:43>> It was literally just a like a like a
57:45three-turn out of it.
57:47>> Yeah.
57:48>> But then you go and look at what Mai
57:49Chiba is doing in the short
57:51and I I get that her jumps aren't the
57:53highest,
57:55but she still does They're still of good
57:57quality. You know, like that ride-out
57:59edge and the speed
58:01Yeah, the ride-out edge and the speed
58:02are very good and that's what gets her
58:04the marks for those. And then you look
58:05at the spins
58:07combo spin plus fours, step sequence
58:10plus fours, layback spin plus four and
58:12some fives.
58:14Um
58:16and they really They didn't even go with
58:18her that high on the PCS. Like Mai Chiba
58:20could have gotten much higher PCs in the
58:22short. They There's a one-point
58:24difference between the two of them, so
58:25it really wasn't even
58:28that she won.
58:29>> like 2.5 mark in the short. Like
58:32they're not going over the moon with the
58:34PCS.
58:36>> In the free Yeah, in the short for sure.
58:38They There was a gap in the free, which
58:40And that's the That's the program in the
58:42short where he gives her a good program,
58:45she gets good marks for the Like 32 for
58:48Sasha for PCS, that's a good score for
58:50her.
58:51>> That's kind of
58:52her ceiling.
58:54>> Yeah, that's a fair score for her for
58:56her PCs.
58:57>> Yeah. And I think
58:59here's the like
59:01I like Sasha's
59:03short as a program probably more than
59:05Mai's program as a program.
59:07I'm not
59:08>> I don't like Mai Chiba's I 'm not a big
59:10fan of the James Bond for Mai.
59:13>> And that's probably like if Monet had a
59:15better short, they probably could be an
59:16even bigger gap in PCS.
59:19>> Cuz if we just bring back Donna Summer
59:20for another year.
59:21>> Yeah.
59:23>> I know it's a 30. I don't even care.
59:26>> I know. I think there is a James Bond
59:28program that could work for her. It's
59:30just not Skyfall.
59:31>> Why don't they just like do like the
59:33Yuna? Like just copy Yuna?
59:35Cuz Yuna didn't use Yuna didn't use
59:37Skyfall. She couldn't but
59:39>> even out.
59:40>> Yeah, she couldn't use it because it
59:42wasn't out and it was lyrics.
59:44>> Yeah. But she did like the
59:47>> Like that's cool. That would be cool.
59:49Yeah.
59:50Um
59:52so yeah, Monet wins the short.
59:55To me was not controversial. To me it
59:57was really funny um when we get to the
1:00:00free skate, if you look at like some of
1:00:02the judging the judges marks like that's
1:00:05that's where we get. So
1:00:07Sasha goes first in the free. She
1:00:09brought back the triple flip which I
1:00:12told everyone people were like, oh she
1:00:13going to get the edge call on the flip.
1:00:14I'm like, no. She's like a big star.
1:00:16They're not going to give her the edge
1:00:17call. They ignore
1:00:18like the this is like not the first
1:00:20rodeo. The judges will ignore
1:00:22edge call. Look last week Isabelle
1:00:23didn't get a Lutz call.
1:00:25>> Yeah.
1:00:25>> This week like there was no way they
1:00:27were going to give Sasha an edge call.
1:00:28Like they just they'll ignore the edges
1:00:30if you're like a very top top skater.
1:00:31That's kind of what they always do.
1:00:33>> They'll give you the exclamation point
1:00:35to pat themselves on the back for
1:00:36noticing but they're never going to give
1:00:38her the edge call.
1:00:38>> what they did. They gave her the
1:00:39exclamation mark but not the edge.
1:00:42Not shocked.
1:00:43Um
1:00:45so she gets through all the jumps and
1:00:47then on the second Lutz toe you see her
1:00:49like
1:00:51really wince in pain
1:00:53and the rest of the program after that
1:00:56was
1:00:59very generous that she got a level four
1:01:01step sequence with plus two GOEs. Very
1:01:04very generous.
1:01:06Very generous. I know.
1:01:08I know.
1:01:09>> I think a lot of let me go through the
1:01:11GOEs on all of her spins.
1:01:13>> she got the once you saw her wince in
1:01:16>> like you see even you saw a Terry
1:01:18clapping on the boards because even a
1:01:20Terry knew she was not doing well.
1:01:23>> How is she getting
1:01:25plus ones and twos on the combo spin?
1:01:28>> I don't know.
1:01:29>> And how are you getting like twos and
1:01:31threes on the camel spin? I think that
1:01:33that is just crazy to me.
1:01:36>> Like the three the last three elements,
1:01:38the steps, the choreo sequence, and the
1:01:40choreo spin,
1:01:41I was like those were like to me I was
1:01:43like this is not accurate judging at the
1:01:45end.
1:01:45>> Minus one minus two.
1:01:47>> Like the step sequence, she was just
1:01:49trying to get through it.
1:01:51>> Yeah.
1:01:52>> It was there was no like there was
1:01:53nothing aimed for quality there. Like
1:01:55she was just trying to get through it.
1:01:57>> Absolutely not. Also,
1:02:00we've watched the choreography video.
1:02:02They're already taking out stuff.
1:02:04>> Yeah.
1:02:05>> Like so they took out the knee slide at
1:02:06the beginning.
1:02:07>> I think they might have
1:02:08>> the knee injury.
1:02:09>> Yeah, I think that's probably why they
1:02:11took that out.
1:02:13I think maybe we'll see it added back in
1:02:15a little later.
1:02:17>> No.
1:02:18Why would you add it back in? Like
1:02:20>> We'll see.
1:02:21>> Choreography never gets increased
1:02:23throughout the season.
1:02:24>> True. [snorts]
1:02:25That is true.
1:02:26Uh but
1:02:29the judging
1:02:31like very interesting. Some judges are
1:02:32like really some were honest and some
1:02:35were like the Italian judge
1:02:37honest.
1:02:37>> is judge number six?
1:02:39>> Was that Korea or was that Azerbaijan?
1:02:42>> I don't have the flags.
1:02:44>> Oh, Azerbaijan I think was judge six.
1:02:46This was the crazy one. The one that
1:02:48gave her first in components.
1:02:51>> Uh no it was Georgia.
1:02:55>> Georgia.
1:02:55>> Judge six was Yuri Klishnikov who gave
1:02:58her a nine in skating skills,
1:03:01eight five in presentation and eight
1:03:03seven five in composition.
1:03:06>> Insane.
1:03:07>> And he gave Mona Chiba an eight two five
1:03:09in skating skills.
1:03:12Versus a nine for Sasha just FYI.
1:03:14>> is insane.
1:03:15Like that's not accurate judging.
1:03:18>> No.
1:03:19It's not.
1:03:19>> The Italian judge though,
1:03:22the Italian judge, Alisa
1:03:25Kavagaki,
1:03:27pretty accurate. Eight in skating
1:03:29skills, Moné Chiba nine two five.
1:03:32>> Yeah.
1:03:32>> seven five presentation, seven seven
1:03:34five composition. That's fair.
1:03:37Even
1:03:37>> Well,
1:03:38I would probably be a full point lower
1:03:40on all of those, but the fairest of the
1:03:43judges.
1:03:43>> to keep it within the realm.
1:03:46>> Of course.
1:03:47>> Within the corridor, you know that.
1:03:49>> But
1:03:50Unfortunately, I'm more I will say I'm
1:03:53more in line with judge two. I'm more in
1:03:55line with Lisa Maria Shaffian.
1:03:57The Austrian judge who goes seven seven
1:03:59five skating skills, eight five
1:04:01presentation, eight composition. I think
1:04:03skating skills are the weakest mark for
1:04:05Sasha.
1:04:06>> Yes. Yes.
1:04:08Which is crazy because they're the
1:04:09highest mark she got.
1:04:12>> That's crazy.
1:04:14>> So here's the thing. She does Sasha does
1:04:16have a like an aura, like a presentation
1:04:19to her.
1:04:20>> Yes.
1:04:21>> But it did it did it wasn't as overt as
1:04:24what we've seen this year. Like she's
1:04:26done this program better in Japan and in
1:04:29Kazakhstan.
1:04:30>> Yes.
1:04:31>> it was just trying to get through it.
1:04:34And I think that's the where
1:04:35>> from Sasha where she'll come out really
1:04:37strong out of the gate in August and
1:04:38September and then the Grand Prix is a
1:04:40little bit weaker.
1:04:41>> That's true. And that's like also a
1:04:43whole thing of like pacing where she's
1:04:44going to she's going to try to pace
1:04:46here.
1:04:48And she's cuz she's also trying to add
1:04:49stuff at home.
1:04:51So this is kind of just about her
1:04:52getting it done and I think we'll see
1:04:54her stronger
1:04:56by
1:04:57>> At the final?
1:04:58>> Yeah, by the final. I think they're
1:04:59going to try the second quad at the
1:05:00final.
1:05:01Um
1:05:03And then we'll see her try to peak for
1:05:05Euros and Worlds.
1:05:07So
1:05:08>> I'm curious to see her at Nationals too.
1:05:12I'm curious to see if they'll try to go
1:05:13for the title or if they'll try to like
1:05:15>> They'll go for the title.
1:05:17>> I mean,
1:05:18yeah, but will they get it.
1:05:20>> They'll get it.
1:05:23At Nationals, who's going to beat her?
1:05:27>> I don't know.
1:05:28>> Who's going to beat her?
1:05:30I think Kamila Valieva is uh dark horse.
1:05:36>> I think Petrosian is also a dark horse.
1:05:38>> the quad toe today. Did you see that?
1:05:40>> She did. I saw that.
1:05:41>> Yeah, I have to watch all the stuff. I'm
1:05:43going to do the
1:05:44I'm going to do the episode tomorrow for
1:05:46Russia, but I have to watch everything
1:05:47still.
1:05:48>> Oh, we should also say that
1:05:51Sasha and Adelia are going up against
1:05:53each other next week.
1:05:54>> Yes, that is so exciting. Very exciting
1:05:57to see that uh and Ami Nakai. That trio
1:05:59of
1:06:00those that's going to be a good event.
1:06:03Um
1:06:04>> When it wasn't necessarily looking like
1:06:05it
1:06:06>> Yeah, and so then
1:06:08Mone Chiba for Japan here.
1:06:12So she
1:06:13[sighs and gasps]
1:06:15goes and she just here's here's what
1:06:16happened to her. Here's what happened.
1:06:19She just racked up
1:06:22plus threes, plus fours on like almost
1:06:24every element. That's like what how she
1:06:26got it.
1:06:27They gave her the Q on the Lutz, which
1:06:30is fair.
1:06:31And if you look at what happened, I mean
1:06:33Sasha won the technical by five points.
1:06:36Mone Chiba won the components by five
1:06:38points.
1:06:40That's like that's where the two skater
1:06:42strengths are. Like Sasha's going to win
1:06:44on the technical cuz that's her
1:06:46strength.
1:06:47Mone Chiba is not lagging behind on the
1:06:50technical because she gets
1:06:52good GOEs on everything
1:06:54and she has good components. That's how
1:06:56she gets her marks.
1:06:59You know, like that's just that's how
1:07:01this happens.
1:07:03>> I think
1:07:05Mone was probably appropriately scored.
1:07:08I would have maybe had like a point
1:07:09higher, honestly, point or two higher.
1:07:11>> Mhm.
1:07:12>> I would have had Sasha probably about
1:07:13five points lower.
1:07:17>> I'd have to rejudge to see where I would
1:07:19have her.
1:07:21I definitely think it should have been a
1:07:23little bit lower, just because of the
1:07:24final like the final three elements cam
1:07:26were just
1:07:27>> I would have had Monet winning the free
1:07:28skate.
1:07:29>> Yeah. And some judges did. Five of the 1
1:07:332 3 Sorry, four of the nine judges did.
1:07:36>> Interesting.
1:07:37>> USA and George the Georgian judge who
1:07:41yeah, Georgia, US, Italy, Japan
1:07:43obviously.
1:07:45Um
1:07:49yeah.
1:07:49>> Yeah.
1:07:50Interesting.
1:07:51What do you think of the program?
1:07:54>> Uh the free skate?
1:07:56>> Yeah.
1:07:57>> Oh wait, can we talk about the concept
1:07:59of it?
1:08:00>> I'd rather not, but unfortunately.
1:08:03>> So the the concept of the program I
1:08:05don't even remember what it was. Jenny
1:08:06was texting me about it. She said
1:08:08that like she's um
1:08:11she's like looking she's searching for
1:08:13an apple or something. Is that
1:08:15>> She's in her parents' garden and she's
1:08:17searching for an apple and
1:08:19>> she's too short to pick the apple at the
1:08:21beginning and at the end she picks the
1:08:22apple. because she had like she grew. Is
1:08:25that like why?
1:08:27I'm sorry. This is like
1:08:29the program is really nice.
1:08:30>> to keep in your heart and keep in your
1:08:31mind and not share with anybody.
1:08:34>> Yeah.
1:08:35Like the con the program's nice. The
1:08:38concept of the program is like really
1:08:41when you hear the story it's like a
1:08:42little ridiculous. I'm like okay,
1:08:45are we really
1:08:46>> I wish I didn't know because I really
1:08:47love this program.
1:08:49>> Yeah.
1:08:49>> I really do. I think it's stunning. And
1:08:51what I think is really special about it
1:08:53is
1:08:54she
1:08:56does an unconventional element order,
1:08:59which is so under appreciated. Like the
1:09:02fact that
1:09:03she'll do like three jumps spin
1:09:07choreo sequence, jump step sequence,
1:09:10two jumps two spins. Like
1:09:13that's not an element order you see
1:09:15every day. And it makes it stand out and
1:09:16makes it feel like she's listening to
1:09:19the music and putting elements where
1:09:22they go
1:09:22>> dictate where everything goes. Yeah.
1:09:25>> Yes.
1:09:26And this
1:09:26>> was something Mark was commentating on
1:09:28too. Like how many the subtleties of the
1:09:30music she's responded to.
1:09:33>> I will say Caitlyn Weaver I
1:09:35uh I do think the like concept of the
1:09:37program's crazy, but Caitlyn Weaver has
1:09:39done a really good job over the past few
1:09:40years and has really given us
1:09:42some very cool programs.
1:09:45>> I was never her the biggest fan of her
1:09:47choreographic work, but she is really
1:09:49been leveling up.
1:09:50>> really upped her game the past few
1:09:51years.
1:09:52Um she's done a great job. I think she's
1:09:54going to be like a a star for the future
1:09:56of choreographers
1:09:58>> I agree.
1:09:58>> for sure.
1:09:59Um
1:10:01>> Also Monet's dress was stunning.
1:10:03>> I know. It really looks like a like one
1:10:05of the Monet paintings is what they were
1:10:06saying.
1:10:08Um I have to say for Monet Chiba though
1:10:11uh
1:10:13this was huge for her after what how she
1:10:15started the year.
1:10:17Like how she started the year like a
1:10:19month ago versus where she was now, it's
1:10:21kind of crazy to compare the difference
1:10:23of what we've what the programs
1:10:25>> It's amazing. I was really nervous for
1:10:27her
1:10:28>> Yeah.
1:10:28>> and was so happy.
1:10:29>> free.
1:10:30>> Yeah.
1:10:31>> So
1:10:34>> Also like
1:10:35uh the combo looked good too. Like I was
1:10:38I wasn't questioning the rotation on the
1:10:39combo, especially the short.
1:10:41>> The yeah, it was fine.
1:10:43I wasn't really questioning the rotation
1:10:44on any of the jumps other than the
1:10:46Lutz and the Lutz. Yeah, which was
1:10:49accurate.
1:10:51>> Yes.
1:10:51>> So
1:10:52All right.
1:10:53Let's end the men.
1:10:55>> um
1:10:55>> Oh, yeah, we should actually talk about
1:10:57that. You're right.
1:10:59I did talk about this a little bit
1:11:00yesterday on the live stream. The
1:11:03controversy with the fans and
1:11:07the booing and
1:11:10Just I have to just say in general
1:11:11really disheartening to see and
1:11:15disrespectful
1:11:17from the fans. I don't know if they were
1:11:18if it was they were upset about like the
1:11:20Sasha thing or if it was what she said
1:11:22in an interview
1:11:23um what Monet Chiba said in an interview
1:11:26last year. Um
1:11:29I don't know what it was, but all what I
1:11:31do know is that it was really
1:11:32disrespectful
1:11:34and
1:11:36you know no one really deserves to have
1:11:38that.
1:11:39>> We can't say for sure why.
1:11:41>> Yeah, we don't know why.
1:11:43>> My inclination
1:11:46is to lean more it's because she won
1:11:48over Trusova because they were emphatic
1:11:51for her in the
1:11:52>> be a combo of both too.
1:11:54>> I I think it could be it's probably a
1:11:57combo of both, but
1:11:59I think it is very disrespectful.
1:12:01>> Yeah.
1:12:03>> It
1:12:04Yeah.
1:12:07Yeah, it left a very poor taste in my
1:12:09mouth.
1:12:10>> Yeah, cuz especially cuz the the
1:12:11athletes themselves don't have any
1:12:13issues with each other. So
1:12:15why do the fans need to make try and
1:12:17cause issues with
1:12:18>> If you're going to hate
1:12:20do it quietly. Text your friends.
1:12:22>> Yeah.
1:12:23>> Don't boo the athletes.
1:12:24>> when they're when they're during the
1:12:26national anthem.
1:12:27>> Or do what I did at Worlds and just
1:12:30don't clap for the people you don't
1:12:31like.
1:12:32>> remain silent if you don't
1:12:33>> on the Worlds podium.
1:12:35>> Yeah, just
1:12:36I forgot about that.
1:12:38Um
1:12:40>> Just
1:12:40>> All right.
1:12:41>> Yeah.
1:12:42>> The men here, which is really the
1:12:44standout event for me, uh the short
1:12:47program
1:12:47>> program and it worked.
1:12:49>> They're not out of the hot water yet,
1:12:50Cam. All right?
1:12:51>> No.
1:12:52>> They are still in the hot water.
1:12:54We said this the men are still not I'm
1:12:57still not happy with the men, but this
1:12:59is a step up. Thin ice.
1:13:02Um there was a book skating book. It was
1:13:04called Cracked Ice. I think it was Sonia
1:13:06Bianchetti's book. Let me double check.
1:13:07>> Oh, interesting.
1:13:08>> Cracked Ice. Yeah, Cracked Ice.
1:13:11I don't have a copy of it. I really want
1:13:13a copy, but I can't
1:13:15I don't know where to find it.
1:13:16>> Do they not have it in the library?
1:13:19>> No.
1:13:20>> Ugh, bummer.
1:13:21>> Anyways, um
1:13:23do you want to talk about the Americans
1:13:25first?
1:13:28>> Woof.
1:13:30Just
1:13:31um
1:13:33not good.
1:13:35Really quite bad.
1:13:37>> Yeah.
1:13:38For both.
1:13:39>> For both, Lucius and Jacob.
1:13:42Um
1:13:44this is going to sound mean, but I I
1:13:45really do think that like
1:13:49they need to get off the Twitch streams.
1:13:51I'm sorry. We've had this discussion
1:13:52with Shoma Uno.
1:13:53>> the Twitch streams and get to the rink.
1:13:56>> When Shoma Uno was on the Twitch streams
1:13:58playing his games,
1:14:00he was ninth in France.
1:14:02>> Yeah.
1:14:02>> to
1:14:04you got to focus a little bit.
1:14:08>> Yeah, I understand why they do do it and
1:14:10want to have like some outlets to talk
1:14:13to fans and
1:14:14>> life balance. You have to decompress,
1:14:16but
1:14:17>> Uh
1:14:18>> I don't know if that's decompressing
1:14:19though because when you're on a Twitch
1:14:21stream, you're still performing.
1:14:23You're still
1:14:23>> is true.
1:14:25>> If like
1:14:27actually decompressing is very helpful.
1:14:31Like getting on a call and gaming with
1:14:32your friends fine.
1:14:34>> That's fun.
1:14:34>> But
1:14:36doing it while interacting with fans, I
1:14:38think is not productive or
1:14:40>> Um
1:14:43and Jacob here, I mean
1:14:46just a lot of mistakes in both programs.
1:14:51And obviously that's not what he's going
1:14:52there intending to do, but
1:14:55>> I also don't know if these programs are
1:14:57elevating him because he does have a lot
1:14:59of PCS potential and I don't know if
1:15:01either of these
1:15:02uh especially the free skate,
1:15:04I don't know if it serves that
1:15:06potential.
1:15:08Especially for I think it is not a bad
1:15:10program, but I don't know if it's a
1:15:12program that judges would ever reward
1:15:15unfortunately.
1:15:17It does skew a little young.
1:15:21>> Yeah. I don't know. I have to I'd have
1:15:22to see it clean to really have a
1:15:25I mean fair. I don't know if we can I
1:15:27don't know if I can really have a huge
1:15:28opinion on it yet, but
1:15:31I don't know what
1:15:32>> We see it clean.
1:15:33>> I don't
1:15:34And I have to say I really
1:15:37we I know you we didn't talk about
1:15:38sectionals this week, but Patrick
1:15:40Blackwell's been
1:15:41he's put down two really good outings
1:15:43the past in Budapest and now here at
1:15:45sectionals.
1:15:46So he's senior eligible this year and if
1:15:50he
1:15:51does well at nationals
1:15:53I don't see a case for why they would
1:15:55put Jacob on the team over him this year
1:15:58given what we've seen.
1:15:59So
1:15:59>> Yeah.
1:16:01>> And I don't know about Torgashev. We'll
1:16:03see if he's going to show up in
1:16:05nationals.
1:16:06>> We'll see if he's busy looking at
1:16:08aquariums or whatever.
1:16:09>> Yeah.
1:16:10Um
1:16:11>> Great post.
1:16:12>> I know.
1:16:13>> Torgashev for as much as
1:16:15we may disagree with his politics, he is
1:16:17a great poster.
1:16:18>> Great poster, pizza king.
1:16:20Uh
1:16:22Min Kyu Seo here.
1:16:25>> Oh wait, also before we get to Min Kyu,
1:16:26shout out to both of the Chinese men. I
1:16:28thought they both did a really great
1:16:29job.
1:16:30>> Yes. Good short for them.
1:16:31>> PCS, but like especially in the short,
1:16:33the technical was really on.
1:16:35>> Yeah.
1:16:36I don't have a lot to say about Nika
1:16:37either.
1:16:40Yeah, that I kind of just skipped them.
1:16:42I was like okay.
1:16:43>> I I it's surprising to me how
1:16:48um
1:16:50Okay. I don't know if he responds to
1:16:53music. I think he knows what moments to
1:16:56hit in the music,
1:16:58but he's not there yet with like filling
1:17:01in the gaps between moments to hit and
1:17:03moments to not hit. There are a lot of
1:17:04just like
1:17:06blank pauses
1:17:07and like the flow of the program is not
1:17:09there yet.
1:17:10Love a Spider-Man program though. Camp,
1:17:12fun,
1:17:13great.
1:17:14>> Did you love the hoodie?
1:17:15>> I saw somebody tweeting that like
1:17:17Kolyada would have done a more dramatic
1:17:19reveal from the hoodie. Start with the
1:17:21hoodie all the way zipped up and unzip
1:17:23it in the middle of the program.
1:17:24>> Yeah, I agree. Um
1:17:27Min Kyu pulled up in the long, which is
1:17:29great. He needs to get He I'd like to
1:17:31see him
1:17:33put it back to you know have two
1:17:35back-to-back performances. That's kind
1:17:36of what we've seen yet.
1:17:38>> been three competitions this season with
1:17:40a bombed short and pulling up in the
1:17:41free.
1:17:42>> So that's kind of becoming a pattern
1:17:44that we don't want him to continue to
1:17:46replicate, so.
1:17:47>> Especially if he's going to be the
1:17:49Korean man at Worlds this year,
1:17:51>> Yeah.
1:17:52>> that can mean he might not make a free
1:17:53skate. And that's something you don't
1:17:54want to see when the free skate is as
1:17:56good as it is.
1:17:57>> Mhm.
1:17:59And then Vlad um Vlad Samohov from
1:18:01Poland
1:18:03really I I I never Where are these all
1:18:06these quads coming from from him?
1:18:09>> I He's had the Sal for a while. It's
1:18:11just never been consistent.
1:18:12>> He's had the Lutz in the Sal, but I
1:18:14haven't seen him try to like do four,
1:18:17you know?
1:18:18>> Like
1:18:20he's one
1:18:22kind of like the journey you go on with
1:18:24a Sal bro where like when it's good,
1:18:26it's so good, but it rarely is always
1:18:29put together.
1:18:30>> Yeah.
1:18:31>> he's now in that echelon.
1:18:34>> He's put together a lot this year, which
1:18:35is nice to see. Um
1:18:37>> I like his like skating too. Like even
1:18:39beyond the jumps and the jumps are huge
1:18:41too, but his skating is exciting to me.
1:18:45And his spins are good like
1:18:47he has some like
1:18:50top five, top eight at Europeans like
1:18:53>> Yeah, I mean he's been there before too.
1:18:55He's been top I Has he been top five,
1:18:57top eight at Euros?
1:18:57>> don't know if he's been top five.
1:19:00>> Uh
1:19:03No, maybe I was wrong.
1:19:05He was top eight
1:19:07in 2024.
1:19:11He was third after the short a couple
1:19:13years ago.
1:19:16>> Yeah, but then 19th last year. 14th at
1:19:19Worlds though.
1:19:20>> Yeah.
1:19:21Um Shaidorov here
1:19:24quad quad in the free
1:19:28did not pan out, but he did do it.
1:19:32>> Can we talk about that?
1:19:33>> was
1:19:34What?
1:19:36>> Can we talk about that?
1:19:38>> The
1:19:38>> quad quad?
1:19:40>> Yeah.
1:19:41>> Okay.
1:19:41>> It was planned
1:19:42on the first toe.
1:19:44Um
1:19:47I did think it was more of a Hail Mary.
1:19:50>> I thought it was planned on the second
1:19:51half.
1:19:52>> No, it was on the program content. It
1:19:54was planned on the first pass.
1:19:56>> Well, he he was kind of off on the first
1:19:58toe.
1:19:59>> Yeah, I mean he stepped out of the first
1:20:01toe, so he put it on the second one.
1:20:04And
1:20:05his free skate was a real roller coaster
1:20:08because the first quad toe he had that
1:20:09step out. Then he had a beautiful quad
1:20:12flip. Gorgeous.
1:20:14>> Yeah.
1:20:15>> Another step out on the Lutz and then
1:20:17going for the quad quad combo, really
1:20:19messy, but went for it.
1:20:22>> I think he's just trying to
1:20:25Honestly, I think he just kind of
1:20:28It feels like he's kind of conceding the
1:20:29fall.
1:20:31And he was just kind of like whatever,
1:20:32like this is not my This fall has like
1:20:34not been going well for me, so I'm just
1:20:35going to try everything.
1:20:37>> throw everything out there.
1:20:39>> It felt like the Yuzuru triple axel, a
1:20:41quad axel at the Olympics, you know,
1:20:44where it was like we're just going to
1:20:45try this, like whatever, like it's not
1:20:47probably not going to go well. I'm
1:20:48probably not going to medal here. Like
1:20:50I'm over the fall. Let's just like
1:20:52recoup for the remainder of the year.
1:20:54>> Hail Mary, a Hail Mary pass.
1:21:06>> Yeah.
1:21:07I have enjoyed them a lot.
1:21:09>> I think probably the Dune short is still
1:21:12probably the best program he's ever had.
1:21:14Oh, you're frozen for me. Probably me.
1:21:23Hello.
1:21:30Nolan.
1:21:33Are you there?
1:21:51>> Hold on, one second.
1:21:57All right, I don't know what happened.
1:21:58Something happened to one of our Wi-Fis.
1:22:00I think it was a me problem, so I'm
1:22:02going to take responsibility for that.
1:22:04I'm also probably not going to
1:22:05>> take responsibility. I'm perfect. I do
1:22:07nothing wrong.
1:22:08>> I'm not editing it out. And so you know
1:22:09how long I don't think people understand
1:22:11how since we switched to the new thing
1:22:13how long it takes for the videos to
1:22:14download.
1:22:15It's like actually so aggravating and
1:22:19>> I mean, we want to get these up for you
1:22:20guys.
1:22:21>> Yeah, and then to like edit it out takes
1:22:23like another to edit out like a 1 minute
1:22:25segment would take
1:22:27It wouldn't take too long, but then to
1:22:29have to re-download it, re-upload it to
1:22:31YouTube, add all the information into
1:22:34the notes, like it's just
1:22:36it's a lot.
1:22:37It doesn't sound like it's a lot, but it
1:22:39is a lot.
1:22:40Um we were talking about Shaidorov. I
1:22:43don't even remember where we were.
1:22:44>> I don't know if I have anything else to
1:22:45say.
1:22:47I think we can just keep going.
1:22:48>> What do you think I I one thing about
1:22:50him, what do you think uh where do you
1:22:51think he goes from here? What do you
1:22:53think he needs to do?
1:22:56>> I don't know that he needs to do
1:22:57anything. I think he just needs to
1:23:00pull it together. Like
1:23:02he's going to do what he's going to do.
1:23:04Oh, one thing I do think he needs to do
1:23:05is get a haircut.
1:23:07>> Oh, I can get with I can get with that.
1:23:09I can get with that.
1:23:11>> Yeah.
1:23:12>> I can get behind that.
1:23:14>> Oh, one thing I forgot to mention,
1:23:15Lucy's Kazeneki has perfect hair.
1:23:18>> You did say that in our text group our
1:23:19group chat yesterday.
1:23:20>> Wonderful hair.
1:23:22Like Charlie White.
1:23:24When Charlie White was like 2010.
1:23:26>> He might not have the quad Salchow, but
1:23:28he has great hair, and I think that's
1:23:29like that's a tradeoff you can you can
1:23:31take.
1:23:33>> I agree.
1:23:34>> Um
1:23:35who else was there in the men? Uh he's
1:23:38getting to the top five now, right?
1:23:40>> Top four.
1:23:41>> Yeah, top four. Shun Sato.
1:23:44>> Top four,
1:23:44>> by the way, would have all won Skate
1:23:47Canada last week.
1:23:48>> Yes.
1:23:49>> Top five, I think.
1:23:50>> top four would have been at least
1:23:52uh top sorry top two I think would have
1:23:55won in
1:23:56France and would have been all top four
1:23:59all would have been second in France at
1:24:01least.
1:24:02So
1:24:04>> Yeah.
1:24:05>> Really unfortunate for them that they're
1:24:06here and not spread out, but
1:24:10but fortunate for us that we got to
1:24:11watch this.
1:24:13>> Yeah, I mean
1:24:15this was like the Skate Canada women's
1:24:16event last week where you were like
1:24:17>> Yeah.
1:24:18>> gosh it sucks for their Grand Prix Final
1:24:20standings that they're all here, but
1:24:21great for us as fans that we get to see
1:24:23them all.
1:24:24>> Um Shun good long oh sorry good short
1:24:28long popping the Lutz and then the rest
1:24:30of it was pretty good other than him
1:24:32missing triple toe.
1:24:34>> on his ability to pop into a triple.
1:24:36That is not something a lot of skaters
1:24:38can do.
1:24:38>> No, that's hard. Going from a quad to a
1:24:41like you don't nor normally you see it
1:24:43like a big single or a big double. You
1:24:45don't see it as a triple, which
1:24:48really I think didn't hurt him as much
1:24:49as you know
1:24:52popping into like a double would have,
1:24:53you know.
1:24:54>> Yeah, I mean
1:24:55I think he
1:24:58even if he popped it into a double, I
1:25:00think he still probably would have been
1:25:01fourth.
1:25:03>> Yeah, you would not have dropped to
1:25:04fifth, but
1:25:05>> right.
1:25:06Either way, they're like something to
1:25:08commend him for. Um
1:25:11yeah.
1:25:12Kind of like
1:25:14what you expect from Shun Sato at this
1:25:15point.
1:25:17>> Yeah.
1:25:17>> programs are better.
1:25:19>> I like the short.
1:25:21I don't mind the long.
1:25:23>> Yeah.
1:25:25I like his costumes. Um he is getting
1:25:28more levels on his step sequences
1:25:30though.
1:25:31>> He got a level four on the step
1:25:33sequence.
1:25:34I think that's like the first we've ever
1:25:36seen from him ever. Probably not, but
1:25:40it's been a long time.
1:25:41>> It has been a long time.
1:25:43Um
1:25:44and I think that like now that he's made
1:25:46that step,
1:25:48there is
1:25:49unfortunately just kind of a ceiling
1:25:52for Shae and Ted.
1:25:53>> yeah. He can add in the flip. He has
1:25:55tried the flip before that.
1:25:57>> That is true.
1:25:58>> So I think that's probably his next goal
1:26:00is to get a fourth quad in.
1:26:02>> Yeah.
1:26:03>> Um the second quad toe is like butter,
1:26:06like a cracker. It's Chris I also by the
1:26:08way I missed Chris
1:26:10I missed Chris Howarth this week.
1:26:12>> I mean Chris is the best commentator
1:26:14>> Yeah.
1:26:15>> or the most fun commentator.
1:26:18>> I still like him the most. I think he's
1:26:22>> I I agree with you.
1:26:23>> I think he's more like Mark
1:26:25I enjoy Mark.
1:26:28>> I like Mark's little noises that he
1:26:29makes like the
1:26:31like the
1:26:32>> Yeah.
1:26:33Mark like gets like super like he'll be
1:26:36like analyzing like everything like on
1:26:38the warm up he'll be like oh just
1:26:41I don't know Mark sometimes just
1:26:43>> sometimes gets too in the weeds with it.
1:26:45>> Too in the he's just too in deep with it
1:26:47where like Chris is like I don't give a
1:26:49he's like I don't care about the warm
1:26:50up. I'm just seeing what I'm seeing on
1:26:51the ice.
1:26:53And if it's a cracker it's a like Mark
1:26:55oh here here here it is.
1:26:56Chris also excites me.
1:26:59Mark like
1:27:01he not that he doesn't excite me but
1:27:04it's just like not as like
1:27:06charac charismatic as Chris.
1:27:08>> Mhm.
1:27:09>> You know
1:27:09>> also
1:27:11>> Mark has been spending too much time
1:27:12with spent with Ted.
1:27:15>> Yeah I know we don't need to talk about
1:27:17Ted. Um Chris also like gives his real
1:27:20opinions more than Mark I think.
1:27:22>> Yes.
1:27:23Mark's always trying to like Mark is
1:27:25always trying to like
1:27:27placate to like different groups of
1:27:29viewers.
1:27:31Like he's trying not to like rattle
1:27:33anyone.
1:27:34>> He's very self-aware.
1:27:36>> Yes, very self-aware. Chris will be like
1:27:38I don't know what Chris will be like I
1:27:40don't know what you thought at home but
1:27:42I thought that that Lutz was under
1:27:44rotated and that his the skating skills
1:27:46were poor.
1:27:47Like
1:27:48>> He's like
1:27:49>> I
1:27:49>> don't like this
1:27:50>> music for them. It doesn't work at all.
1:27:53>> Listen, he would have said, he would
1:27:54have said,
1:27:56I don't know about you guys, but those
1:27:57that step sequence at the end of Sasha
1:27:59Trusova's program was not of high
1:28:01quality. [clears throat] He would have
1:28:03said it.
1:28:04>> Yeah, Mark was also so which I
1:28:06understand. He was just like so
1:28:08repetitive about Sasha's motherhood,
1:28:10which like it is amazing.
1:28:11>> Which is a huge deal, huge huge deal.
1:28:15>> But you don't need to say it every 30
1:28:16seconds.
1:28:17>> Yeah.
1:28:18Yeah.
1:28:19Um back to
1:28:22Back to Shun Sato. Um
1:28:25I don't know. I thought like
1:28:27he didn't like hurt himself. Where's his
1:28:29next competition? I'm going to look this
1:28:30up. Can he still make the finals?
1:28:32>> in NHK, right?
1:28:33>> Oh, Japan. Bless Shun Sato is not making
1:28:35the final this year.
1:28:37>> Unfortunately.
1:28:38Yeah.
1:28:41But like he's probably going to make one
1:28:43of them.
1:28:43>> up
1:28:44How did he Oh,
1:28:46because they got rid of the the the rule
1:28:48this year where all the medalists have
1:28:50to be spaced out.
1:28:52>> And also, I mean, it's just as a Russia
1:28:54thing. Like he just got screwed over by
1:28:56withdrawals.
1:28:58>> Ilia's at NHK too.
1:29:01>> Oh, yeah. That is new.
1:29:03>> Yeah. I forgot about that.
1:29:06>> Right.
1:29:08Yeah, that's crazy to me. I don't like
1:29:10that.
1:29:11>> I like it.
1:29:13>> I liked the old way.
1:29:14>> No. I want to see them go head to head.
1:29:16I'm sorry. I want to see all these men
1:29:18go head to head.
1:29:20Stop trying to hide from each other.
1:29:22Michelle Kwan used to go head to head
1:29:24with Irina on the Grand Prix like every
1:29:26year. All right? Like
1:29:27>> Twice.
1:29:29>> Twice. All right. Let's stop being
1:29:30scared. Let's go head to head with each
1:29:31other.
1:29:33>> It does For me, it's the opposite
1:29:35problem. I like seeing them go head to
1:29:37head, but then it leaves scared It
1:29:39leaves an event where you get a weak
1:29:41event and then you get lucky.
1:29:43>> And then you have
1:29:45Kevin Aymoz winning
1:29:47>> Yeah.
1:29:47>> Grand Prix.
1:29:49>> With a for a low score.
1:29:51>> Yeah. Uh, Samarinco
1:29:55>> Let's
1:29:55say
1:29:56because I think a lot of discussions
1:29:59about Samarinco versus Diki G and I
1:30:02think a lot of people prefer Samarinco.
1:30:06>> I like both.
1:30:10And I here's the thing.
1:30:11I thought
1:30:14right when the pro like the same thing
1:30:15with the pairs, when Samarinco ended his
1:30:18program, I was like
1:30:20okay, I think this is going to go ahead
1:30:22of Diki G. I did think that the quad was
1:30:24tight in real time.
1:30:27I did when I when I saw the when the
1:30:29quad loop, I was like okay, that's
1:30:31probably maybe going to get a review.
1:30:32It's probably short.
1:30:35And that ended up being the difference
1:30:37here and I but I did think when
1:30:39Samarinco ended, I was like
1:30:41I think this will go ahead of Vlad. It
1:30:43just felt a little bit
1:30:45cleaner
1:30:47on the
1:30:49like of the performance. I just thought
1:30:51like I was felt a little bit stronger of
1:30:53a performance.
1:30:55But I enjoy both so much that I wasn't
1:30:59like shocked when Diki G went ahead.
1:31:02>> Yeah.
1:31:02>> Because I think
1:31:04Samarinco doesn't get as much quality on
1:31:06like the landings that Diki G does
1:31:09because he's he's very pitched forward
1:31:10on a lot of the landings.
1:31:14>> I think that for me
1:31:17um
1:31:18yeah, Samarinco, the landings are very
1:31:20pitched forward which I don't
1:31:22appreciate.
1:31:24That's That was weird. Sorry. Um it
1:31:26doesn't necessarily
1:31:27um add or elevate his skating.
1:31:30Um
1:31:32I think that he has
1:31:34quite good skating skills.
1:31:36Um but for me the presentation
1:31:39>> speed.
1:31:40>> Yeah.
1:31:42I think probably I would have I would
1:31:44give him the edge over Diki G in skating
1:31:46skills, but I would give Diki G the edge
1:31:47in presentation.
1:31:49>> They gave the opposite. They gave Diki G
1:31:52the They gave Samarinco the edge in
1:31:54presentation.
1:31:56>> The judges said
1:31:58>> I don't know.
1:31:58>> it. I get it. He does have like a he has
1:32:02like a performance quality. See, I used
1:32:04to not be a Semeneko fan. Let me just
1:32:06tell you, I used to be where you were,
1:32:10and I have evolved a little bit.
1:32:12I've kind of now I've seen the light a
1:32:13little bit. He
1:32:15>> You and I both used to be like Semeneko
1:32:17haters, and I think we're both on an
1:32:19upward training. You're just getting
1:32:21there first.
1:32:22>> I think I'm on a faster train. I do
1:32:25think he has like a charisma to him
1:32:27that's like a little bit enjoyable to
1:32:29watch.
1:32:30>> Yes.
1:32:30>> I'm not saying he's like the most like
1:32:33artistic men ever.
1:32:34>> But he's got some sauce.
1:32:36>> He has some he has some like appeal. I
1:32:38get it. I get why people enjoy it.
1:32:41>> Yeah. I think I'm at an appreciate more
1:32:43than a like stage,
1:32:45where I think with Vlad I actually like.
1:32:48>> I like Vlad too. The the the cool the
1:32:52So did you you know what I do appreciate
1:32:54about Mark though? Mark will tell you
1:32:57what the what the story is about, the
1:32:59concept of the program. Mark loves to
1:33:02tell you what a concept of an arbitrary
1:33:04program is.
1:33:05>> does do that.
1:33:06>> he did tell us what the concept of
1:33:07Vlad's program was, and I appreciated it
1:33:10so much. So Vlad
1:33:13he's like he's deaf or something. The
1:33:15program he's like deaf.
1:33:17And he was supposed to what what did he
1:33:19say about it? He's like
1:33:20it's about like self-exploration of
1:33:22being I don't like if not being able to
1:33:24see or like using sounds to see.
1:33:26>> like some sort of like inner journey or
1:33:28something.
1:33:28>> I don't know what it was, but Mark did
1:33:30let us know what the program was about,
1:33:32and I was feeling it. I was like, you
1:33:33know what, Vlad,
1:33:35I can't see either. I'm seeing you like
1:33:38I'm obsessed with this program, the free
1:33:40skate for Vlad. It's so good.
1:33:42>> I really do love it.
1:33:43>> good.
1:33:45Um
1:33:46>> I really yeah. I I saw Jackie Wong was
1:33:49of the opinion that like the first half
1:33:51is like a 6.5 in composition, and the
1:33:54second half is a nine.
1:33:55>> with that.
1:33:56>> I don't.
1:33:58>> I think
1:33:58>> a lot to be
1:34:00I think there's a lot to be um
1:34:04there's a lot to be asked for
1:34:07with four quads to do more choreography,
1:34:09but I think he could add in a little bit
1:34:10more in the first half.
1:34:11>> think he could add in a little more, but
1:34:13he is very good at like
1:34:16doing transition out of the jumps and
1:34:18having choreographic moments out of the
1:34:20jumps.
1:34:21And then he'll do some crossovers and
1:34:23then he'll do a jump. And but then he
1:34:24does do some interesting stuff, like all
1:34:26of like the this and like the fast turns
1:34:30out of all the jumps, like
1:34:31>> Yeah.
1:34:31>> there is an interesting stuff, but then
1:34:33it really does like that's step
1:34:34sequence, man. It's so good.
1:34:36>> the step sequence starts, it really like
1:34:38it's so amazing after that.
1:34:41>> That step sequence is phenomenal.
1:34:44>> Now the two triple axels in the second
1:34:47half uh not the best.
1:34:50>> No.
1:34:51>> Little small, little tighter than what
1:34:53we're used to seeing from him. So that
1:34:55could be cleaned up
1:34:57>> Yes.
1:34:58>> some higher PCS.
1:34:59>> the first Lutz was not great.
1:35:01>> Yeah. But that I'm I mean it was still
1:35:03it was still backwards, so honestly
1:35:05impressive he stood up on it.
1:35:06>> Yeah. And that the axis was crazy.
1:35:09>> axis was insane. Um the flip was
1:35:12oof.
1:35:14>> And the Salchows were both really good
1:35:16too, like
1:35:18>> Uh PCS wise, I mean they're not going
1:35:20crazy for him.
1:35:22Like they're they're in the eights,
1:35:24which I think is
1:35:25>> Yeah, he's like 825 ish, right?
1:35:28>> see this free skate getting like an 875.
1:35:31Pushing a nine. It's really I think it's
1:35:33really cool.
1:35:35Yeah.
1:35:38>> And
1:35:38>> I don't know.
1:35:39>> To be completely honest,
1:35:42I like Cao, but I don't know if Cao is 6
1:35:44and 1/2 points ahead of Dikijian
1:35:46components.
1:35:48>> Yeah, he can get sloppy. He is so the
1:35:50skating skills, he has so much more
1:35:52speed than all of the men here, which
1:35:54that definitely goes into the skating
1:35:57skills mark. And I think that kind
1:35:59>> of does bleed in a little bit to the
1:36:00other
1:36:02mark because
1:36:03>> skills is the one that rises all of the
1:36:05others.
1:36:06>> Yeah, because like if you're doing that
1:36:08with the speed, it's obviously going to
1:36:09be really impressive to watch and then
1:36:11also
1:36:12compositionally if you're able to handle
1:36:15that, that's super impressive as well.
1:36:17So
1:36:19yeah, I understand why it bleeds into
1:36:20it. Honestly, I'm just shocked he did
1:36:22it. I mean I had said in our
1:36:25in the solo episodes that I did was like
1:36:27I don't think Cal's going to going to
1:36:29stay in the gold. Like I was like I
1:36:30don't even think he's going to medal.
1:36:31And all these people were like
1:36:33well, you know what, Nolan, I hope
1:36:34you're wrong. Hope you're wrong. And
1:36:36then I was wrong and all of them went
1:36:38back to comment on the YouTube and they
1:36:40were like you were wrong.
1:36:42And I'm like I'm happy I'm wrong, but I
1:36:44didn't
1:36:44>> I was thrilled to be I I was like
1:36:48bracing hoping for the best, expecting
1:36:50the worst.
1:36:51>> Yeah.
1:36:51>> I was jumping off the couch. It was so
1:36:55great.
1:36:56>> I did not feel comfortable at any point
1:36:58during that program.
1:36:59>> not.
1:37:01>> Once the jumps were done, I was like all
1:37:03right, all right, I can like
1:37:05get into this now.
1:37:06>> either because he had the wobble on the
1:37:07first spin.
1:37:09>> I'm talking about like at the end, but
1:37:11yeah, he did have the little
1:37:13>> No, because of that I was like nervous
1:37:15even through the final spins. I was like
1:37:17he could lose this at any second.
1:37:19>> I was like no, I think he's got it. Um
1:37:23do you know he's the first man to
1:37:24qualify for the Grand Prix final?
1:37:27Isn't that crazy that he's the man
1:37:29that's he's going to the final?
1:37:32That's just like crazy to think about.
1:37:36>> He is so
1:37:39just like wow. He's so lucky that he got
1:37:42France. I will say that because
1:37:44>> lucky. I mean maybe what if he got
1:37:45Canada? That would have been nice for
1:37:46him too.
1:37:47>> Yeah, that's true.
1:37:49>> Um
1:37:51this is just crazy that Cal Amir I mean
1:37:54and everything was I mean
1:37:55>> it. Like I can't
1:37:57fault him.
1:37:57>> didn't fall apart.
1:38:00I still don't know what that means for
1:38:01the rest of the year for him, but
1:38:05>> That's the [laughter]
1:38:06that's the interesting thing about Cao,
1:38:07is you really can't
1:38:09take past precedent at all.
1:38:12>> Never. You have to just take whatever
1:38:13you get and
1:38:14>> by day.
1:38:16>> Day by day. Not even practice report
1:38:18because like practice could be terrible.
1:38:21>> That's also true of Shun Sato though.
1:38:22Shun Sato will do a messy practice and
1:38:25then really put it together in the
1:38:26program.
1:38:27>> he was struggling on the warm up with
1:38:28that axle.
1:38:30You kept that was you know Mark, thank
1:38:31you for that too. You kept pointing that
1:38:33out
1:38:34that Shun Sato was screwing up the axle
1:38:35in the warm up. We were we were watching
1:38:37it in the program.
1:38:39Um
1:38:42yeah.
1:38:43Do we have any final thoughts?
1:38:44>> practice for Cao. Eyeliner on point.
1:38:47>> Oh, we have to talk about that.
1:38:50We were going to get we were going to
1:38:51get eyeliner and put it on for this
1:38:53episode. We were like we should put some
1:38:55eyeliner on.
1:38:56>> Yeah, I didn't have time to run to the
1:38:57CVS this morning and get some
1:39:00elf cosmetics.
1:39:01>> Um so Diki's next event is Japan versus
1:39:05Ilia and Shun.
1:39:07Um I think there's some other men that
1:39:08are there that are pretty tough as well.
1:39:10Semenenko is Finland. Hopefully he's got
1:39:13his visa.
1:39:14>> a second one? Okay. Does Peter have any
1:39:16or no?
1:39:17>> No.
1:39:18Um
1:39:19>> Cuz he didn't win.
1:39:21>> Yes. Well, he still he's the first
1:39:22alternate now.
1:39:24>> Oh, he is? Okay.
1:39:25>> Yeah. So Semenenko is
1:39:28uh
1:39:30next or sorry, Semenenko next event is
1:39:32Finland with Adam Siao Him Fa, Gogolev,
1:39:35Nika Selevko, Kazuki.
1:39:40He should be fine there.
1:39:42>> Yeah.
1:39:44>> Um and then Shun Sato's next event is
1:39:46Japan as well.
1:39:47So
1:39:48but to be fair, if you do look at it, I
1:39:50mean if you look at the scoring, if Shun
1:39:52had hit that quad Lutz, he would have
1:39:53been second.
1:39:55>> Yeah.
1:39:56>> So
1:39:57it's not to say that he can't make the
1:39:59final and beat you know some of these
1:40:00men, but I think he has to be clean.
1:40:02>> He would have to win
1:40:03which would
1:40:04>> be really tough.
1:40:05>> Yeah. Um we've seen a second and a
1:40:07fourth happen, but it's not
1:40:10probably not likely. More likely in the
1:40:12men I think than the women.
1:40:14>> That's true.
1:40:15Because you never know what Kevin's
1:40:17going to do even with a win. I mean last
1:40:19year he was first in 10th like.
1:40:20>> Yeah and then um he missed a triple toe
1:40:22as well. So more points to be added.
1:40:25>> Yeah.
1:40:25>> So.
1:40:26>> And we still also we still haven't seen
1:40:29Daniel Grassl. Grassl could
1:40:31>> Oh yeah I I think he's going to make the
1:40:33final probably.
1:40:35So.
1:40:36But oh so we have fantasy reports before
1:40:39we sign off?
1:40:41>> Yes we do. Sorry there was a giant
1:40:43helicopter going over my house.
1:40:44>> did hear the helicopter, but it wasn't
1:40:45that bad.
1:40:46>> I muted.
1:40:48I tried to mute. Okay. So we do have our
1:40:50fantasy report for the weekend.
1:40:52>> K.
1:40:53>> Um
1:40:55Nolan unfortunately you were in third
1:40:57place.
1:40:58>> That's okay. I so I do another one with
1:41:00my my two friends. I won the other one
1:41:03so I don't even care.
1:41:04I'm more competitive with that one.
1:41:06>> here. Your women really let you down.
1:41:08Laura Naki Gutmann, Rinka, and Olga
1:41:11Mikutina.
1:41:12>> Oh that's tough. Okay.
1:41:14>> Yeah you scored a scintillating 13
1:41:16points in the women.
1:41:18>> Yeah okay.
1:41:19>> Clayton Okay.
1:41:20Clayton had all four gold medals. He had
1:41:24Mone Chiba, Kao Miura, Mikhail
1:41:26Shaidorov, and Lylah Lewis.
1:41:28>> What the How did this happen?
1:41:30>> Unfortunately he did also have Alina
1:41:32Balanilo.
1:41:34>> K.
1:41:34>> Uh the Chinese pair.
1:41:36>> Okay.
1:41:36>> Egadze and Braddie Tennell Summerville
1:41:39which brought him down a bit.
1:41:41>> We told him to pick um someone else in
1:41:43dance.
1:41:44>> We did.
1:41:45>> Forgot who it was, but we told him.
1:41:46>> I snaked Demojo and Lemercier from him.
1:41:49>> Yeah well I don't think he would have
1:41:50known who they were.
1:41:52>> Probably true.
1:41:53Um
1:41:55yeah so my women were really halted me
1:41:59up cuz I had so I had Trusova, Zubareva,
1:42:02and Yagudina.
1:42:04>> Damn that's that's not fair.
1:42:07>> In the
1:42:07>> end, though, between Clayton and I,
1:42:11the one to come out on top
1:42:13was both of us. We tied.
1:42:15>> [gasps]
1:42:15>> Drama.
1:42:17>> Yeah.
1:42:19This guy.
1:42:20And my men let me down.
1:42:23>> Okay.
1:42:24>> Because I had Well, here's the thing. I
1:42:26had Semenenko and Shun, so I had third
1:42:28and fourth. But then I had Jacob
1:42:30Sanchez.
1:42:31>> Oh, he did not help you out.
1:42:33>> No. And I had
1:42:35my dance was Tachers and Demoshina on
1:42:37the Merde.
1:42:38>> You should have went for Xingming Peng,
1:42:40all right? He could have gotten you one
1:42:41more point.
1:42:43>> Yeah.
1:42:44I could have gone for Who went
1:42:46undrafted?
1:42:47It was Lucius and the two Chinese men.
1:42:50So if I picked either of the Chinese
1:42:51men, I would have won.
1:42:53>> Yeah.
1:42:55>> But I think overall that probably puts
1:42:56us
1:42:58I don't know.
1:42:59>> What
1:43:00>> Should we do the total We'll do the
1:43:01total tally. We'll have it for next
1:43:03week. How about that?
1:43:04>> Yeah.
1:43:05Um well, guys, let us know what your
1:43:08thoughts were for the Cup of China. Let
1:43:11us know if you're going to Skate America
1:43:12and if you will go see Clayton and Cam
1:43:14at the coffee shop before the event.
1:43:17>> Yes, please. We'd love to meet you.
1:43:19>> All caffeinated up for our events. Um so
1:43:24next week also I don't know what we're
1:43:26going to do with videos next week
1:43:28because these two will be gone. They'll
1:43:31be in.
1:43:32So what we've we've what we've we've
1:43:33been thinking of doing is giving Clayton
1:43:36and Cam the login for our streaming
1:43:38service.
1:43:39And they might be doing
1:43:41If you guys want to do this, you guys
1:43:42can do maybe like a live stream.
1:43:45Or I don't know how you would do that
1:43:46because
1:43:48Actually, we'll we'll we'll test it out.
1:43:49We'll test it out this week. But maybe
1:43:51they'll do a live stream from the
1:43:54from Everett after the events. I'll
1:43:56probably be doing my live streams after
1:43:58the events as well.
1:43:59Um I don't know what we're going to do.
1:44:00We'll figure it out. We're going to have
1:44:01to plan. And then we have a special
1:44:03interview
1:44:04coming up this week with
1:44:06a Russian skater, which
1:44:08>> Yes, we do. Oh, by the way, I
1:44:10>> did quickly do our overall totals. So I
1:44:12actually do have the overall totals.
1:44:13Okay.
1:44:14Third place is Clayton with 236.
1:44:17>> Okay.
1:44:18>> Second place is me with 249.
1:44:21>> Oh, so I'm still leading.
1:44:23>> By with 254. So I'm really close on your
1:44:25tail.
1:44:26>> All right. I got to step it up for Skate
1:44:27America.
1:44:28>> Yeah.
1:44:30>> Um but I'll give you a little hint. The
1:44:32skater is her heart will go on. So if
1:44:36you can put it together,
1:44:38I don't know when we'll release it, but
1:44:39we're supposed to interview them this
1:44:40week before Skate America. So
1:44:43their heart will go on.
1:44:45>> Oh, I also don't know if I mentioned
1:44:46that we have uh press accreditation for
1:44:48Skate America.
1:44:49>> We do. So we're going to try to get some
1:44:51content.
1:44:52>> Yes, some Mix Zone interviews. I need to
1:44:55order a tripod for my phone, but
1:44:58I'm really excited.
1:44:59>> Send us in some questions you want us to
1:45:00ask some skaters if you want.
1:45:03>> Drop some questions in the comments.
1:45:04I'll try to get some stuff answered.
1:45:06>> to do like more fun questions and like
1:45:09how was your skate today? You know, like
1:45:12I know Clayton wants to do like the
1:45:13build the dream build the ideal skater
1:45:17for like some skater Like that's kind of
1:45:18fun.
1:45:19>> It is fun.
1:45:21>> But
1:45:22>> Um yeah, I'm going to try to get some
1:45:24interviews too, but we'll see.
1:45:26>> Yeah, Clayton's trying to set up one
1:45:28with uh Emilia again. So we'll see.
1:45:32But guys, thank you all for watching.
1:45:35Let us know what you thought and we'll
1:45:36see you here next time on the Blades and
1:45:37Banter. Bye guys.
1:45:39>> Bye guys.

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