女性のキャリアでスタートダッシュをかけたいなら夜職をせよ！【第104回 日本未来会議】 — Transcript

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1. 0:00If you want a head start in a woman's
2. 0:01career, work night jobs.
3. 0:03>> You're only working nights because you
4. 0:04have no skills, right? It's bottom-tier
5. 0:06work, isn't it? Originally.
6. 0:08>> Well, validating those who have
7. 0:09experience and recommending night jobs
8. 0:11as a career strategy are
9. 0:14>> two different things. I truly believe
10. 0:15that if something is wrong, it's just
11. 0:17wrong.
12. 0:18>> To your child,
13. 0:18>> Yes.
14. 0:19>> could you tell them to work a night job
15. 0:21?
16. 0:21>> I have a daughter, and I absolutely
17. 0:23would.
18. 0:31Japan Future Conference.
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21. 0:38Alright, it has begun.
22. 0:41Japan Future Conference.
23. 0:44Thank you for joining us again.
24. 0:46>> Thank you.
25. 0:47>> We have a new guest with us today, Mr.
26. 0:50Hoshijima.
27. 0:51Nice to meet you.
28. 0:52>> Nice to meet you.
29. 0:55I am Hoshijima, representative of the
30. 0:57company Bu.
31. 1:00Simply put, we operate a recruitment
32. 1:02service that supports people who have
33. 1:04worked in nightlife—like cabaret
34. 1:05hostesses or sex workers—when they want
35. 1:08to leave that world and find jobs at
36. 1:09regular companies.
37. 1:12Nice to meet you.
38. 1:14>> Yes, looking forward to it. So, we will
39. 1:16be discussing this with these future
40. 1:18assembly members, including Mr.
41. 1:20Hoshijima. I look forward to it.
42. 1:22>> Likewise.
43. 1:24Japan Future Conference: The "
44. 1:26Opposition Time" to identify problems
45. 1:29and risks in the proposer's idea, and
46. 1:31the "Ruling Time" to build concrete
47. 1:33plans for implementation.
48. 1:38A conference that questions the
49. 1:40evolution of proposals through
50. 1:41approaches from both opposing and
51. 1:43supportive sides begins now.
52. 1:49Now, let's welcome today's presenter.
53. 1:56I am Murakami, representative of Complex
54. 1:59Concierge Co., Ltd., here from Kumamoto
55. 2:02. Nice to meet you.
56. 2:05>> Please state your claim for today.
57. 2:07>> Yes.
58. 2:09If you want a head start in a woman's
59. 2:11career, work night jobs.
60. 2:16Night jobs, primarily in the hospitality
61. 2:19industry like cabaret clubs and clubs.
62. 2:22Social prejudice against this experience
63. 2:24and the difficulty of transitioning to
64. 2:26general companies have been pointed out
65. 2:28.
66. 2:29On the other hand, night jobs offer high
67. 2:31earning potential and are a place to
68. 2:33polish interpersonal skills through
69. 2:35customer service.
70. 2:39Are night jobs truly an effective option
71. 2:42for starting a woman's career?
72. 2:45>> My income skyrocketed because of my
73. 2:47experience working night jobs.
74. 2:50In recent years, I think nighttime work
75. 2:52has increasingly been viewed as
76. 2:54glamorous, sparkling, and positive.
77. 2:58But that is not what I want to convey
78. 3:00today.
79. 3:02Meeting nighttime work myself changed my
80. 3:04life significantly.
81. 3:07I truly believe that because I worked at
82. 3:09night, I was able to get a head start in
83. 3:11my career at any time.
84. 3:14I’m nervous today, but I drank a cola in
85. 3:16one gulp and came here shaking because I
86. 3:18really wanted to share this with the
87. 3:19whole country.
88. 3:21Thank you for your time.
89. 3:23>> Yes, thank you very much. Please return
90. 3:26to your seat for now.
91. 3:30All right, so the proposal this time is
92. 3:32"Women should work at night to get a
93. 3:34head start in their careers," and while
94. 3:36it’s full of points to question and some
95. 3:37parts we won't understand until we hear
96. 3:39more, I’d like to start by hearing your
97. 3:41initial vote.
98. 3:48For this first vote, I would like the
99. 3:49Future Assembly members to indicate
100. 3:51whether they are for or against the
101. 3:52presenter’s proposal at this point.
102. 3:58Now, please show your cards for or
103. 4:00against all at once.
104. 4:02Now,
105. 4:053,
106. 4:062,
107. 4:07>> 1.
108. 4:10>> With 3 in favor and 6 against,
109. 4:14>> Now that we have everyone's opinion,
110. 4:16let's move right into the opposition
111. 4:17time.
112. 4:19Opposition time.
113. 4:21Everyone from the opposing side will
114. 4:23thoroughly point out the risks and
115. 4:25realistic obstacles of the proposal.
116. 4:28Now, opposition time, please.
117. 4:30>> Oh, excuse me.
118. 4:32Um, before the opposition time, there is
119. 4:34something I would like to address first
120. 4:36. Murakami-san, you know me, right?
121. 4:38>> Yes. Yes. Of course.
122. 4:40>> Yes. Murakami-san has been contacting me
123. 4:42individually for a few years now, saying
124. 4:44she wants to support people in their
125. 4:46second career as they move from night to
126. 4:48day work. Oh, I see. Murakami-san...
127. 4:51>> Yes.
128. 4:51>> Yes, yes.
129. 4:53>> She told me she lacked the know-how and
130. 4:54asked if I could teach her.
131. 4:59>> I was so moved by her passion that I
132. 5:01spent a considerable amount of time
133. 5:03personally training her and even shared
134. 5:05all the templates and contract formats
135. 5:06we use at my company.
136. 5:11>> And it seems she even mentioned my name
137. 5:13to the casting staff for this appearance
138. 5:14.
139. 5:15>> Yes. Yes.
140. 5:17However, I had absolutely no idea she
141. 5:19would be appearing today.
142. 5:21>> Yes.
143. 5:23From my perspective, considering I
144. 5:24taught you so much and you even used my
145. 5:26name, the fact that I haven't received a
146. 5:28single word from you—I want to ask,
147. 5:30where does your sense of integrity lie?
148. 5:33>> Such an opposition.
149. 5:34>> Truly an opposition person.
150. 5:35>> As a human being, I mean.
151. 5:40Well, starting from that point, I know
152. 5:42you've worked both in the nightlife
153. 5:43industry and during the day, so I'm
154. 5:45curious about what you've actually
155. 5:46learned.
156. 5:47>> Well, first of all, could you give us a
157. 5:49bit more of an introduction,
158. 5:51Murakami-san?
159. 5:52Could you tell us about how your career
160. 5:54started, what experience you've gained,
161. 5:56and what kind of work you're doing now?
162. 5:58>> Yes. Yes.
163. 5:59>> Yes.
164. 6:00Well, currently, my main profession, or
165. 6:02should I say my primary work, is in the
166. 6:05financial industry.
167. 6:07>> Yes.
168. 6:08I originally started by becoming
169. 6:10independent from the nightlife industry
170. 6:12and starting my own company. After
171. 6:14dealing with cancer and selling various
172. 6:16things, I'm now working in finance.
173. 6:18>> Specifically, what kind of nightlife
174. 6:19work did you do and for how many years?
175. 6:21From 18
176. 6:22>> to 21, I worked at cabaret clubs and
177. 6:25host clubs.
178. 6:28After that, I ran a company selling
179. 6:30dresses for nightlife venues for over 20
180. 6:33years, and since then, I've just been
181. 6:35running companies.
182. 6:39Even while running the company, I was
183. 6:41involved in things like girls 'bars, so
184. 6:42I've been quite involved in the
185. 6:44nightlife scene.
186. 6:46I was selling dresses to women in that
187. 6:48industry, so...wait, isn't the Q&A
188. 6:50off-track?
189. 6:51>> Yeah. It's a bit long, so yes.
190. 6:53>> Yeah.
191. 6:54>> Well, in short, what is your answer to
192. 6:56Tsushima-san?
193. 6:57>> Oh, Tsushima-san's answer. Yes. We
194. 6:59haven't heard that at all, so that's
195. 7:01actually what we want to hear more than
196. 7:02an introduction.
197. 7:03>> Oh, I understand. I was told to
198. 7:05introduce myself, so...
199. 7:06>> Since Tsushima-san has been so direct,
200. 7:08let me also share my honest thoughts.
201. 7:10>> Watching your social media, Tsushima-san
202. 7:13,
203. 7:15>> and seeing how you operate, I felt it
204. 7:17was different from the kind of support I
205. 7:19want to provide to women in the
206. 7:20nightlife industry.
207. 7:24If our philosophies don't align...
208. 7:27>> I thought it would be difficult for us
209. 7:29to work together in the future, but
210. 7:31honestly, I'm not at a level where I can
211. 7:33manage things yet.
212. 7:35Did you feel that I'm not a good fit for
213. 7:37you, Tsushima-san?
214. 7:41>> It's just that the back-and-forth with
215. 7:42the girls transitioning from night work
216. 7:44to day jobs is long.
217. 7:47>> Answer briefly, conclusion first.
218. 7:49>> Yeah, yeah, I understand.
219. 7:53Rather than utilizing their night work
220. 7:55experience, I feel the main focus is
221. 7:57just on moving them from night work to a
222. 7:58normal day job.
223. 8:01>> So, night work,
224. 8:03>> You're taking it as if night work is for
225. 8:04losers or you're looking down on it.
226. 8:06>> That's not what I mean, but for example
227. 8:08, there was a video where a girl said
228. 8:10she wanted about 300,000 yen.
229. 8:12>> Yeah.
230. 8:14And wanting about 300,000 yen was
231. 8:16introduced as her being a bit haughty,
232. 8:19but I believe girls in night work have
233. 8:21skills because they're putting
234. 8:23themselves out there, so 300,000 yen...
235. 8:27>> I think she could earn that if she tried
236. 8:28.
237. 8:29>> Wait a second. What skills?
238. 8:30>> They only do night work because they
239. 8:32have no other skills. Right?
240. 8:33>> I don't think it's because they have no
241. 8:35skills. Just a minute ago
242. 8:36>> It's a bottom-tier job, isn't it?
243. 8:38They're only being pampered by some
244. 8:39strange social media recently.
245. 8:42>> It just looks glamorous, but originally
246. 8:44no one...
247. 8:48>> First, let's go back to Tsushima-san's
248. 8:50frustration for a moment.
249. 8:52>> Murakami-san.
250. 8:53>> Yes.
251. 8:54>> It is a fact that you taught me various
252. 8:56things, and in regards to that, I have
253. 8:58decided to appear on this program.
254. 9:00Thank you for teaching me so much.
255. 9:03We thought even if our approaches differ
256. 9:05, a single message like that would be
257. 9:06appropriate, so what do you think about
258. 9:08that?
259. 9:08>> Yes. It feels a bit off for me to say "
260. 9:11I'm going to be on this, so you should
261. 9:12too," or something like that.
262. 9:14>> Since you're going to have time and will
263. 9:15have the opportunity to see each other,
264. 9:16you'll be meeting tomorrow, right? I
265. 9:17personally think it would be natural to
266. 9:19at least say, "I look forward to working
267. 9:20with you." If that's the case, you
268. 9:21shouldn't be bringing up my name, should
269. 9:23you?
270. 9:23>> If anything, I'm more on Murakami-san's
271. 9:25side.
272. 9:25>> Yes.
273. 9:28I’ve noticed a lot of company presidents
274. 9:29lately who act like their former mentees
275. 9:31need to check in with them, but I feel
276. 9:33like you shouldn't need to notify
277. 9:34someone just because you're appearing on
278. 9:36a show.
279. 9:38>> Oh, that is true.
280. 9:40But since she mentioned my name, there’s
281. 9:42an underlying assumption that she's
282. 9:43someone I taught, right?
283. 9:47If she says something I'm unaware of and
284. 9:49it’s perceived as coming from me, it’s
285. 9:51to my disadvantage, so I think it's only
286. 9:53normal to expect a heads-up.
287. 9:57>> That’s true. Can I say something? From
288. 9:59an outsider's perspective, I honestly
289. 10:00don't care at all.
290. 10:02>> Well, that's true, isn't it? You can
291. 10:04handle that off-camera.
292. 10:05>> I mean, we aren't even having a real
293. 10:06debate here.
294. 10:07>> Yeah.
295. 10:07>> Yeah. That's fair, sorry.
296. 10:09>> I want to move on. To the main topic.
297. 10:11>> Yes.
298. 10:12First, Murakami-san, this topic implies
299. 10:14that starting a career in the nightlife
300. 10:17industry is a plus for a woman's career
301. 10:19, right?
302. 10:20>> Yes. That is how I see it.
303. 10:22>> I see.
304. 10:23Can you give us two main reasons for
305. 10:25that?
306. 10:26The reasons I think it's a plus are:
307. 10:37First, with the rise of AI, academic
308. 10:38background matters less than before, and
309. 10:40second, because people who have dealt
310. 10:42with all kinds of situations in the
311. 10:44nightlife industry are tougher when it
312. 10:46comes to navigating human relationships
313. 10:48.
314. 10:52Listening to the flow of the
315. 10:54conversation so far, I think everyone
316. 10:56here probably
317. 10:57>> has a vague feeling about this, but
318. 10:59Murakami-san, you are incredibly
319. 11:01beautiful.
320. 11:02So, I can totally see why you've worked
321. 11:04in that industry, but did you actually
322. 11:06gain any real skills?
323. 11:11You were talking about communication
324. 11:12skills, but I suspect that what worked
325. 11:14for you in the nightlife industry was
326. 11:16just your looks and the male clients'
327. 11:18desires, and if you were in a regular
328. 11:20daytime job with your current level of
329. 11:21conversational ability, you wouldn't be
330. 11:23able to hack it.
331. 11:26I see.
332. 11:27>> So in that sense, I'm a bit skeptical
333. 11:29about whether you've actually acquired
334. 11:31any proper, transferable skills. I
335. 11:34understand.
336. 11:36You're right; people probably assume
337. 11:37that with my communication skills and
338. 11:39this timid vibe, I wouldn't make it in a
339. 11:41day job.
340. 11:46But the reason I'm succeeding now is
341. 11:48entirely thanks to my background in
342. 11:49nightlife; I've managed to get this far
343. 11:51solely based on the people I met and the
344. 11:53things I learned there.
345. 11:57I honestly feel there was nothing else.
346. 11:58>> Well, I think it's great that you worked
347. 12:00hard, Ms. Murakami, but I have no idea
348. 12:02if that's something that could be
349. 12:03replicated by others.
350. 12:12As for whether I wish I could have
351. 12:14experienced night work, I have
352. 12:15absolutely no such desire, and the
353. 12:17reason is that I'm just not into that
354. 12:19type of clientele.
355. 12:20>> What exactly does one gain from doing
356. 12:22night work? What kind of skills do you
357. 12:24acquire there?
358. 12:25>> Yes. Well, I...
359. 12:26>> Are you saying I should experience night
360. 12:28work because my stories are too long? Oh
361. 12:30, that's tough.
362. 12:31>> Is that really it? That's true.
363. 12:33>> If the stories are long...
364. 12:34>> Yes.
365. 12:34>> In nightlife, it just leads to an
366. 12:36extension.
367. 12:37>> Your pay doubles, doesn't it?
368. 12:38>> But you can't do that during the day,
369. 12:39right?
370. 12:40>> True.
371. 12:40>> Yes.
372. 12:41>> Yes.
373. 12:41>> Mr. Kita, you were talking about
374. 12:43reproducibility earlier.
375. 12:46I’ve worked at a cabaret club in
376. 12:48Kabukicho and as a hostess at a club in
377. 12:50Ginza, but only a tiny fraction of
378. 12:52people actually make it in a day job.
379. 12:55Those who can adapt to the daytime world
380. 12:57. Yeah.
381. 12:58The reason is that the social norms of
382. 13:00the night are completely different from
383. 13:01those of the day.
384. 13:02>> Yes. Yeah.
385. 13:07>> See, girls in nightlife are treated like
386. 13:09royalty by both the staff and the
387. 13:11customers. So, showing up late or
388. 13:13no-showing becomes normal.
389. 13:15They start thinking that money can
390. 13:17excuse anything, so once you've been in
391. 13:19that world and internalized those norms
392. 13:21, going back to a day job is incredibly
393. 13:23difficult.
394. 13:26I think the chance of becoming
395. 13:27successful there is extremely low.
396. 13:30If you don't have to do it, I think it's
397. 13:32better not to.
398. 13:33>> That's what I think. Based on my own
399. 13:35experience.
400. 13:36>> Personally, I think women in nightlife
401. 13:38are very charming; well, I actually like
402. 13:41them.
403. 13:41>> Yeah. I don't need to know that.
404. 13:43>> Who asked for that confession?
405. 13:45>> Doctors are probably the ones who like
406. 13:47sex work the most. Oh, well, let's just
407. 13:49leave that aside.
408. 13:50>> Right. Stop it. So,
409. 13:52>> So, what I want to say is
410. 13:54>> that I see that as
411. 13:56>> the front and back of society. In short
412. 13:58, I want to say that I’m not criticizing
413. 14:00it personally,
414. 14:00>> but I think it’s an industry that
415. 14:02handles the “back” side of that “front”
416. 14:04side. Yeah.
417. 14:07>> But, blurring the lines as if the “back
418. 14:09” can also pass as the “front”—if that
419. 14:11happens, I think the order of society
420. 14:15>> will collapse.
421. 14:17Personally, well, as a scummy guy, I
422. 14:20happen to like it,
423. 14:21>> Yeah. Yeah.
424. 14:22>> But I strongly feel that, as a society,
425. 14:24is that really okay? So, I feel like we
426. 14:26shouldn’t blur that line, which is why I
427. 14:28pushed back on it.
428. 14:30I think that’s absolutely true, and
429. 14:32about the women’s careers written here,
430. 14:34this refers to daytime careers—
431. 14:36>> Oh, daytime jobs, or independence, or
432. 14:38women’s—
433. 14:39>> Yes. work careers.
434. 14:42>> And what I think is that validating
435. 14:44those who have experience working in
436. 14:46nightlife
437. 14:49>> is different from recommending nightlife
438. 14:51as a career strategy
439. 14:54>> for young women.
440. 14:55>> Why is the emotion, yeah.
441. 14:57>> Getting ahead of itself, yeah. Yeah.
442. 15:02>> I know it comes from a place of wanting
443. 15:04to protect or help them, but I am
444. 15:06personally against adults pushing young
445. 15:08women to go into nightlife in the first
446. 15:10place.
447. 15:14>> I’m not against working in nightlife.
448. 15:16Of course, there are things to be gained
449. 15:18that you can’t get during the day.
450. 15:20>> But as a career strategy, to start out
451. 15:23>> and tell them to go into nightlife, is
452. 15:25that really something we should be doing
453. 15:26?
454. 15:27>> Yeah. Yeah.
455. 15:29Alright, we’ve heard various opinions,
456. 15:31so the opposition time ends here.
457. 15:33Uchi-san, how did you find it so far?
458. 15:35>> Yeah. I do think there are things to be
459. 15:38gained from those jobs for women's
460. 15:40careers.
461. 15:42But the problem is that Mr. Murakami
462. 15:44hasn't been able to convey that well.
463. 15:48>> So, what exactly do you learn from
464. 15:50nightlife that you can't learn from a
465. 15:52day job?
466. 15:53>> Yeah, yeah.
467. 15:55>> Because that answer—that “this is why
468. 15:57you should do it”—has never been given.
469. 16:00>> I want him to talk about that properly
470. 16:03>> in the second half.
471. 16:04>> Yes.
472. 16:07>> All right, let's move on to the "ruling
473. 16:09party" time, where everyone becomes a
474. 16:11proponent to flesh out advice and
475. 16:13concrete measures to realize the
476. 16:15proposal.
477. 16:18Go ahead, please.
478. 16:19>> Oh, can I go?
479. 16:22At my shop, the dental hygienists and
480. 16:23assistants who have backgrounds in the
481. 16:25cabaret or nightlife industry have
482. 16:27incredibly high communication and sales
483. 16:29skills, so their closing rates are great
484. 16:31, and they’re so personable that they’re
485. 16:33a huge help at work.
486. 16:36So, in my experience, I feel like they
487. 16:38pick up sales and marketing skills at a
488. 16:41much faster rate. And on top of that,
489. 16:43Mr. Hosoi, you probably worked as a host
490. 16:45, didn't you? I believe so, yeah. Since
491. 16:48there are even doctors and dentists who
492. 16:49have done that kind of work, I think
493. 16:51this way of thinking is perfectly
494. 16:53acceptable in this day and age.
495. 16:54>> I do agree that you certainly develop
496. 16:57communication skills and nerves of steel
497. 16:59. However, here's the catch. In the
498. 17:01daytime world, you need things like
499. 17:03proper manners, culture, and the ability
500. 17:06to do routine office work, like using
501. 17:08Excel, for example.
502. 17:09>> Skills that you use during the day.
503. 17:11>> You don't really develop those skills,
504. 17:13right? That entire period is largely
505. 17:15missing. Yeah.
506. 17:16>> And then they try to debut as a
507. 17:18professional once they hit 30.
508. 17:19>> Yeah. Yeah.
509. 17:20>> It is a fact that there are a ton of
510. 17:22people who just aren't very useful
511. 17:23overall.
512. 17:24>> Well, I think you probably just selected
513. 17:25the good ones during the interview.
514. 17:27>> Yeah. Murakami-san, what did you gain
515. 17:29from your time in the nightlife industry
516. 17:31that is contributing to your success now
517. 17:32?
518. 17:33>> Yes. For one, I suppose it would be my
519. 17:35network.
520. 17:35>> That's it, right? That's exactly why I
521. 17:37think that's all it comes down to.
522. 17:39>> Nothing but connections?
523. 17:40>> Yes. Just connections?
524. 17:42>> Yes.
525. 17:47>> With those connections, I was able to
526. 17:49meet people I never would have otherwise
527. 17:51, and by properly building relationships
528. 17:53from there, I’ve been able to keep their
529. 17:55support.
530. 17:57Right, right, I do think that is a huge
531. 17:59strength of the nightlife industry. So,
532. 18:02Murakami-san, I don't know what your
533. 18:04clients do, but...
534. 18:05>> How many of your current clients did you
535. 18:07bring over from your days in the
536. 18:08nightlife industry?
537. 18:09>> Yes.
538. 18:10About half of them were people I
539. 18:12originally brought over from the
540. 18:13nightlife industry.
541. 18:14>> Right.
542. 18:16In other words, the pattern that
543. 18:17actually succeeds as an independent
544. 18:19business is taking the network you built
545. 18:21during your nightlife days, applying it
546. 18:23to your daytime work, and offering your
547. 18:25daytime products to the clients who were
548. 18:27already supporting you—it’s just an
549. 18:30extension of that relationship.
550. 18:32>> Wait, you aren't selling yourself, Mr.
551. 18:34Murakami.
552. 18:35That’s probably why you have a
553. 18:37conflicted look on your face.
554. 18:38>> Yeah. I mean, you succeeded because
555. 18:40you’re you, Mr. Murakami.
556. 18:43I have many close friends who work in
557. 18:45the nightlife industry, and they have
558. 18:47grit and love money, so wanting to earn
559. 18:49cash quickly is a great thing.
560. 18:53But I really don’t understand why they
561. 18:55need to earn it so fast, and I think the
562. 18:57main reason young people work in that
563. 18:58industry is that they’re selling off
564. 19:00their youth without having any
565. 19:02foundation, and the price they pay for
566. 19:03that is the complete collapse of their
567. 19:05morals and values.
568. 19:09I think that’s the worst part of it;
569. 19:11they start seeing men only for their
570. 19:12money.
571. 19:13>> Yeah. Yeah.
572. 19:16>> Their values shift toward thinking that
573. 19:18a man who spends a lot of money is a "
574. 19:20good man," and when I talk to top
575. 19:22hostesses, many of them deep down
576. 19:23actually hate men.
577. 19:26>> Yeah.
578. 19:27>> Yeah.
579. 19:27>> I truly believe that when you gain
580. 19:29something big, there’s always a backlash
581. 19:31, and as someone involved in female
582. 19:32education, I don't think anyone should
583. 19:34ever tell women to start their careers
584. 19:36in the sex industry—it’s just wrong. I
585. 19:38really feel that way.
586. 19:40>> I think it’s over for any adult who says
587. 19:42things like that; I don’t see how that’s
588. 19:44supportive at all.
589. 19:45>> Yeah. Yeah.
590. 19:46>> So why are people cheering for that?
591. 19:48>> Yeah. When I was working a regular day
592. 19:50job, I was constantly
593. 19:53>> getting fired and nothing ever went
594. 19:55right, but after starting nightlife, I
595. 19:57was able to reflect on myself, build a
596. 19:59network, and eventually I started hiring
597. 20:01people too.
598. 20:03Both for nightlife and daytime work.
599. 20:05Working night jobs, you hear some really
600. 20:07nice things, and there are definitely
601. 20:09moments of joy, but you also experience
602. 20:11shockingly awful things, so I feel like
603. 20:13the trauma or the hurt never truly
604. 20:15disappears.
605. 20:16>> Someone with no experience at all
606. 20:19>> entering society,
607. 20:20>> versus someone who enters after gaining
608. 20:22some experience and perspective, and can
609. 20:24interpret things well—the way they work
610. 20:26is different, and as mentioned earlier,
611. 20:28for example, not knowing Excel—
612. 20:30>> Yes, I'm sorry.
613. 20:31>> Regarding Ms. Murakami's life,
614. 20:33>> none of us are denying it.
615. 20:35>> Yes. Of course.
616. 20:36>> When Ms. Murakami looks back on her life
617. 20:38, perhaps it's true that because she
618. 20:40experienced night work when she was
619. 20:42young, she was able to turn her life
620. 20:44around—including her time as a truant—
621. 20:46and eventually start working properly.
622. 20:48It likely was a turning point for you,
623. 20:50and that may well be true.
624. 20:53However, that doesn't mean that in
625. 20:55today's Japanese society,
626. 20:58>> we should recommend that young women
627. 21:00start their careers in night work; that
628. 21:02is a separate issue, just as Mr.
629. 21:04Tsushima pointed out.
630. 21:06>> On the other hand, as Ms. Murakami said
631. 21:08, I do think the stigma is fading
632. 21:10compared to before, and there is even a
633. 21:12trend of them being pampered recently.
634. 21:14That is why I would like to ask Mr.
635. 21:16Tsushima.
636. 21:17In reality, for girls who start their
637. 21:19careers in night work at a young age—
638. 21:21perhaps those who become independent are
639. 21:23an exception.
640. 21:25But the majority must be hired by others
641. 21:27.
642. 21:27Is it a plus or a minus when it comes to
643. 21:29getting hired?
644. 21:30>> Yes.
645. 21:32Well, to speak to that, the biggest
646. 21:34problem I see is that there is
647. 21:35absolutely no plan for an exit strategy
648. 21:37.
649. 21:40But if they have an exit strategy, I
650. 21:41think it's possible to turn it into a
651. 21:43plus.
652. 21:48Basically, with night work, well, this
653. 21:50might sound a bit strange, but let's say
654. 21:52this is when you are young.
655. 21:54Your annual income, in short, follows a
656. 21:57downward trend. As you reach 30, 40, or
657. 21:5950, the demand naturally disappears, so
658. 22:02your income goes down. Daytime jobs are
659. 22:04the opposite. When you're young, your
660. 22:06income is low because you lack skills
661. 22:08and experience, but as you acquire them
662. 22:09, your income goes up.
663. 22:12So, in my opinion, the ideal timing for
664. 22:14the transition between night and day
665. 22:16work is to make a solid career change to
666. 22:18a day job after one or two years.
667. 22:24You'll have earned a certain amount at
668. 22:25night, and although you'll be a little
669. 22:27behind compared to those who started day
670. 22:29jobs earlier, for young people in night
671. 22:30work, I believe they have the potential
672. 22:32to make up for that gap.
673. 22:35In the first place, it's possible to
674. 22:37take what you've earned and invest it in
675. 22:39yourself, whether through further
676. 22:40studies or something else, to turn it
677. 22:42into a positive.
678. 22:44I don't think it's right to just talk
679. 22:46about the pros and suggest a "fast start
680. 22:48" without an exit strategy.
681. 22:51If you don't set a plan that says, "Go
682. 22:53this far, then switch to a day job," I
683. 22:55think the risks skyrocket.
684. 22:58Do you have any children?
685. 22:59>> Yes, I have children. Yes.
686. 23:01>> Then, I have just one last question to
687. 23:02ask you regarding your children.
688. 23:04>> Yes. Yes.
689. 23:05>> Could you tell them to work in the night
690. 23:06industry?
691. 23:07>> If they wanted to do something but
692. 23:08didn't know what, I would absolutely
693. 23:10tell them that night work is fine.
694. 23:11>> You would?
695. 23:12>> Yes. I would. Even if it's a girl, I
696. 23:14would absolutely tell them.
697. 23:15>> May I add something? The reason I voted
698. 23:17in favor was
699. 23:18>> I believe it's wrong to discriminate
700. 23:19against people based on their
701. 23:21educational background or work history.
702. 23:22>> Yes.
703. 23:23There's a strong tendency, led by people
704. 23:26like Kan-san, to label night work as
705. 23:28something for losers, so I intentionally
706. 23:30voted in favor to try and be popular
707. 23:33with women.
708. 23:34No, whether you're joking or serious...
709. 23:37>> No, I'm joking. But even for the people
710. 23:40working for us, caring for them first
711. 23:42and foremost is very important,
712. 23:44>> so I voted in favor from a position
713. 23:45where I cannot deny the industry.
714. 23:47>> However, you shouldn't underestimate
715. 23:49night work.
716. 23:50>> Yeah. It's not a job anyone can do; it's
717. 23:52almost impossible for most people. Yeah
718. 23:54. Yeah.
719. 23:55>> I think it's a difficult and severe line
720. 23:57of work.
721. 23:58Yes.
722. 23:59>> It's not just about getting into the
723. 24:01industry, but continuing and succeeding
724. 24:03in it is a truly thorny path. That is
725. 24:05precisely why
726. 24:06>> telling young people to just jump into
727. 24:08night work or acting like anyone can do
728. 24:10it is wrong.
729. 24:11>> It's truly difficult to even get started
730. 24:12. It's difficult to succeed.
731. 24:14>> Adding that context is why I voted in
732. 24:16favor, or rather,
733. 24:17>> yes. No, if I leave it like this, my
734. 24:19reputation is at stake, so let me say
735. 24:21this: I have nothing but respect for
736. 24:23those who have succeeded in night work.
737. 24:27However, I am strongly speaking out
738. 24:29against the trend of companies like Last
739. 24:31Call encouraging people to join the
740. 24:33world of cabaret clubs and nightlife by
741. 24:36promoting how glamorous it is,
742. 24:37effectively acting as an entrance to
743. 24:39that world.
744. 24:43The reason I’m so afraid is simply
745. 24:45because I don’t want the people I care
746. 24:47about to end up in the nightlife
747. 24:49industry because of such encouragement;
748. 24:51that’s all.
749. 24:53>> That’s why.
750. 24:53>> I feel indignant toward those who
751. 24:55flippantly tell others to go into night
752. 24:57work without ever mentioning the risks
753. 24:58involved.
754. 24:59>> While there is that glamorous side,
755. 25:01everyone still feels like they don’t
756. 25:02want their loved ones working nights;
757. 25:04there’s a fundamental prejudice because
758. 25:06, at its core, it’s the sex industry,
759. 25:08isn’t it?
760. 25:09>> You’re wrong to call it prejudice.
761. 25:10>> Is that so? I personally feel it is
762. 25:12prejudice, but okay.
763. 25:15But I wanted to say that it’s not just
764. 25:17about that—there are actually good sides
765. 25:19too—and because only the extreme good
766. 25:21and bad parts are being highlighted, I
767. 25:23wanted to point out that there’s more to
768. 25:25it than that.
769. 25:26>> Yes. Government party time has ended.
770. 25:30>> Now, let’s move on to the final
771. 25:32arguments.
772. 25:33>> Final arguments.
773. 25:35Based on the discussions and advice so
774. 25:37far, the proposer will make a final
775. 25:39appeal of their intentions.
776. 25:42>> Mr. Murakami, please go ahead.
777. 25:45Hearing various things today, I realized
778. 25:47that I talk too much and that I’m not
779. 25:49very good at explaining things.
780. 25:52Despite the various opinions, I still
781. 25:54feel that I am where I am today because
782. 25:56of my job.
783. 25:58I still firmly believe in that, so I
784. 26:00hope to be able to explain that more
785. 26:02concretely in my future activities.
786. 26:05It was a learning experience to be able
787. 26:07to view myself objectively again.
788. 26:09Thank you very much.
789. 26:12Yes.
790. 26:13Now, based on those final arguments, I
791. 26:15would like you all to decide on your
792. 26:18final opinions.
793. 26:19>> Following the statements and discussion
794. 26:21, the members will express their final
795. 26:23approval or disapproval.
796. 26:25Representatives for and against will
797. 26:27make their final pleas to Chairperson
798. 26:29Noguchi, who holds the deciding vote.
799. 26:34>> Please cast your votes, for or against.
800. 26:39Well,
801. 26:41>> Since everyone is opposed, I guess
802. 26:43there's nothing we can do.
803. 26:45Excuse me.
804. 26:46>> Yes?
805. 26:46>> This is my first time—
806. 26:48>> Is it okay if only Mr. Kitahata presents
807. 26:50the opposing argument?
808. 26:51>> I look forward to it.
809. 26:52>> Well, representing the consensus of the
810. 26:54Future Conference, I will present the
811. 26:56argument from the opposition. First of
812. 26:57all, I believe that not a single member
813. 26:59of our Future Conference harbors any
814. 27:01prejudice regarding this situation.
815. 27:03Furthermore, there is no doubt that Ms.
816. 27:05Murakami’s success story is real, and I
817. 27:07believe it took a lot of effort to
818. 27:09achieve.
819. 27:11However, if we are to encourage this
820. 27:13widely as a "night career" start-up, we
821. 27:15must ensure it is reproducible and fully
822. 27:17recognize the risks involved as well.
823. 27:20While there are great opportunities in
824. 27:22night work, it can distort one's sense
825. 27:24of money, lead to habits different from
826. 27:26daytime jobs, and although some might
827. 27:28return to corporate life after success,
828. 27:30there are unfortunately tragic cases
829. 27:32where people enter the sex industry, get
830. 27:34involved in trouble, and even lose their
831. 27:36lives.
832. 27:37When we consider all of this equally,
833. 27:39can we truly and confidently encourage
834. 27:41women to use this as a career start-up
835. 27:43as the Future Conference?
836. 27:46We cannot help but look at that with
837. 27:48doubt, and therefore, today, we express
838. 27:50a position of careful opposition to
839. 27:52issuing a directive to use such work as
840. 27:54a career start-up, and I submit this as
841. 27:56our opposition speech on behalf of the
842. 27:57Future Conference.
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871. 28:54>> Now, Mr. Noguchi, please provide your
872. 28:56final judgment on the motion.
873. 29:01>> It is a rejection, but Mr. Naka, I don't
874. 29:04think the way of thinking itself is bad
875. 29:06.
876. 29:08I believe this theme probably has some
877. 29:10significance.
878. 29:12>> Yes.
879. 29:12>> That is exactly why—
880. 29:14>> Yes.
881. 29:15>> I think that "night work" is an
882. 29:17environment where communication skills
883. 29:19and verbal expression abilities are most
884. 29:21easily developed.
885. 29:24>> And when you, Mr. Mura, as an n = 1
886. 29:27success story, advocate for this,
887. 29:30>> if you cannot express that clearly—
888. 29:32>> Yes.
889. 29:32>> I am also saying this to the viewers.
890. 29:34Verbal expression ability is something
891. 29:36that is extremely necessary in society.
892. 29:37>> Yeah.
893. 29:38>> Yeah. It's better to acquire that as
894. 29:40early as possible.
895. 29:41>> So, that is one reason why you cannot
896. 29:43become a success story.
897. 29:44>> Yes.
898. 29:45>> And the other point is, as the Japan
899. 29:47Future Conference—and I share the exact
900. 29:49same opinion as Mr. Kanato—
901. 29:51>> Yeah.
902. 29:52>> I do not deny the profession itself.
903. 29:54Yeah.
904. 29:58I think it is one important way of
905. 30:00living, but I strongly question the
906. 30:02media promoting this kind of sex work or
907. 30:04nightlife industry, so regarding these
908. 30:06two points, I would like to issue a
909. 30:08strong rejection.
910. 30:13>> Yes.
911. 30:13>> I would like to present that as the
912. 30:15Japan Future Conference's decision.
913. 30:16Thank you very much.
914. 30:18>> Well, you do talk for a long time, Mr.
915. 30:21Tomi.
916. 30:22Hey.
917. 30:23Yes, so unfortunately, the motion has
918. 30:25been rejected this time. Well, I'm sure
919. 30:28you all have various thoughts as well.
920. 30:30Please do let us know in the comments
921. 30:31section.
922. 30:32And please don't forget to like this
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924. 30:36See you next time at the Japan Future
925. 30:38Conference. Thank you very much.
926. 30:44Make emergency transport for minor cases
927. 30:46a paid service.
928. 30:48But if you judge it yourself on the spot
929. 30:49, you could end up in the worst-case
930. 30:51scenario, right?
931. 30:52>> If you think about global optimization,
932. 30:53it won't work unless we charge for it.
933. 30:55If it takes one minute longer, the
934. 30:56survival rate drops significantly, and
935. 30:58people who could be saved won't be.
936. 30:59>> Are there people who do it with
937. 31:00malicious intent? Instead—
938. 31:02>> Some people use it as a substitute. What
939. 31:03, really? Is that fishy? Right now—