経営者よ！今こそ日本の未来のために銃を持て【第101回 日本未来会議】 — Transcript

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1. 0:00Business leaders. Now is the time to
2. 0:03take up arms for Japan's future.
3. 0:05>> Whoa.
4. 0:07>> I am a professional hunter.
5. 0:09>> It feels like a totally absurd proposal
6. 0:11.
7. 0:11>> I can take down anyone within about 100
8. 0:13kilometers.
9. 0:14>> Huh?
10. 0:15>> Take down. In this show's history, has
11. 0:18anyone's opinion ever changed this much
12. 0:20from start to finish?
13. 0:30>> Japan Future Conference.
14. 0:35>> This program is brought to you by the
15. 0:37following sponsors. And so, it begins.
16. 0:41Japan Future Conference, Noguchi-san,
17. 0:43looking forward to working with you
18. 0:45again. Well, for our 100th episode
19. 0:48milestone, we received a lot of
20. 0:50feedback from everyone on how we should
21. 0:52improve things. And one idea that was
22. 0:54immediately adopted is...
23. 0:55>> Yes.
24. 0:56>> Yes. Wait, and...
25. 0:57>> To the best presenter...
26. 0:58>> Yeah.
27. 0:59>> Um...
28. 0:59>> A prize of 100,000 yen...
29. 1:01>> Wait, oh.
30. 1:02>> Will be awarded.
31. 1:03>> For real?
32. 1:04>> For real.
33. 1:05>> Could you clearly define the criteria?
34. 1:07>> Well, for now, if a majority of the
35. 1:08Future Council members approve...
36. 1:10>> Oh, I see.
37. 1:11>> And finally, if I, as the chair...
38. 1:13>> Yeah. ...give the final approval, those
39. 1:15are the two conditions.
40. 1:16>> Yes. Isn't that a bit too lenient?
41. 1:17>> Lenient. Is it lenient?
42. 1:19>> Are you sure? Well then, yes. Yes.
43. 1:21Let's kick things off with that today,
44. 1:23and we have a first-time commentator
45. 1:24joining us. Sakaguchi-san. Nice to meet
46. 1:27you.
47. 1:28>> Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
48. 1:30>> I'm Sakaguchi from Shannon
49. 1:32Entertainment Co., Ltd. I run beauty
50. 1:34salons and manage a voluntary chain in
51. 1:36the beauty industry with about 180
52. 1:38companies.
53. 1:39>> I see. That's about 600 locations.
54. 1:42>> Like the King of Salons. I'll do my
55. 1:43best to become the King. We look
56. 1:45forward to it.
57. 1:46>> Yes, looking forward to it.
58. 1:49>> The Japan Future Conference: Opposition
59. 1:51Time to highlight problems and risks in
60. 1:54the proposer's idea, and Proponent Time
61. 1:56to build concrete plans for realization
62. 1:58. A conference questioning the
63. 2:02evolution of proposals through both
64. 2:04opposing and supporting approaches
65. 2:06starts now. Let's have today's
66. 2:14presenter join us. He's quite a
67. 2:17character.
68. 2:18>> Yeah.
69. 2:22>> I am the Representative Director of the
70. 2:23Japan Hunters Association. The theme I
71. 2:27have brought today is: Business leaders
72. 2:29. Now is the time to take up arms for
73. 2:32Japan's future.
74. 2:33>> Whoa.
75. 2:37>> The damage caused by wild animals is
76. 2:40becoming serious nationwide. Crop
77. 2:42damage reached 18.8 billion yen in
78. 2:45fiscal 2024, an increase of 2.4 billion
79. 2:48yen from the previous year. Meanwhile,
80. 2:52the aging population of hunting license
81. 2:55holders is a challenge, and securing
82. 2:57successors is essential. In light of
83. 3:01this, the presenter proposes "
84. 3:03executives" as the solution. What
85. 3:06exactly does that mean? Please state
86. 3:10your opening remarks.
87. 3:12>> I am a professional game meat
88. 3:14specialist.
89. 3:15>> Huh?
90. 3:16>> Originally, I was a hunter.
91. 3:18>> Is this okay to broadcast?
92. 3:19>> It’s fine.
93. 3:20>> After running a restaurant, I served
94. 3:22game meat to about 230 people at the
95. 3:25French Embassy in 2016. Later, I went
96. 3:28into the mountains myself, launched the
97. 3:30Choshu Gibier Group in 2017, and now
98. 3:32handle everything from operating a
99. 3:34hunting school to capture, processing,
100. 3:36and product development, while touring
101. 3:38the country in a food truck and
102. 3:39becoming Japan's top game meat provider
103. 3:41. That experience revealed something to
104. 3:44me. As a national policy, 10 to 15
105. 3:47billion yen in tax revenue, combining
106. 3:49main and supplementary budgets, is
107. 3:51spent on wildlife damage
108. 3:52countermeasures. Yet, the problem
109. 3:55remains completely unsolved. I assume
110. 3:58you are all high-taxpayers, and while
111. 4:00paying taxes is important, there are
112. 4:02social issues here that cannot be
113. 4:03solved just by continuing to pay taxes.
114. 4:06What this industry needs now is a new
115. 4:08economic framework. This learning
116. 4:13creates jobs and generates an economy,
117. 4:15and that economy creates occupations
118. 4:17and turns social issues into businesses
119. 4:19. Thank you. Please return to your seat
120. 4:23. Yes. Your proposal for executives to
121. 4:28"carry guns" left me wondering what you
122. 4:30meant, but should we understand this as
123. 4:33a call for executives to get more
124. 4:34involved in game meat and wildlife
125. 4:36issues? That's right. Yes. For our
126. 4:42first vote, I would like you to hold up
127. 4:44your placards. For this first vote, the
128. 4:50future assembly members will express
129. 4:51whether they agree or disagree with the
130. 4:53presenter's proposal at this time.
131. 4:58>> Please do so all at once.
132. 5:01>> Yes.
133. 5:05>> It is 2 in favor and 5 against, making
134. 5:07it 2 to 5. Now, it's time for the
135. 5:11opposition.
136. 5:11>> Opposition time. Everyone from the
137. 5:15opposition will thoroughly point out
138. 5:17the risks and practical obstacles of
139. 5:19the proposal. Opposition time starts
140. 5:23now. Well, I need to find reasons to
141. 5:27support this rather than oppose it, so
142. 5:29I'd like to dig a little deeper. Is the
143. 5:33primary goal of introducing guns into
144. 5:35this calculation economic growth,
145. 5:37education and awareness, or perhaps
146. 5:40problem-solving? Could you tell me more
147. 5:43about that?
148. 5:46>> I believe we should build new
149. 5:48businesses and professions by firmly
150. 5:49incorporating economic activities into
151. 5:51this, and I think business owners
152. 5:53should take the lead in creating that
153. 5:55economy. For this fiscal year, 9.9
154. 5:58billion yen in taxes has been invested,
155. 6:01plus about 5 billion in the
156. 6:02supplementary budget, totaling around
157. 6:0515 billion yen. But who is actually
158. 6:07doing the hard work right now? It’s
159. 6:09the elderly. People in their 70s and
160. 6:1180s.
161. 6:11>> The so-called hunting association
162. 6:13members. Yes.
163. 6:14>> That's right. Even though those retired
164. 6:17hunters are really doing it as a hobby,
165. 6:19the government is dragging them out to
166. 6:21do it. It’s not working at all, and
167. 6:26it's not solving the problem, which is
168. 6:28part of the issue. So, are you saying
169. 6:34that business owners should literally
170. 6:36pick up guns and become hunters, or are
171. 6:38you asking us to get involved in this
172. 6:40problem more proactively as a business?
173. 6:45Which is it?
174. 6:46>> Both, actually.
175. 6:47>> Both? Both?
176. 6:48>> Yes. Actually, being a hunter is very
177. 6:50well-suited for business owners.
178. 6:52>> I see.
179. 6:53>> Oh.
180. 6:53>> Salarymen can't really do it, right? In
181. 6:55terms of time,
182. 6:56>> Yes. And also economically, there are
183. 6:58many parts that are difficult for
184. 6:59salarymen, and the screening process is
185. 7:01quite strict as well. Are you
186. 7:04suggesting I join a hunting association
187. 7:06, or are you asking me to turn this
188. 7:08into a business at my company? Which
189. 7:11one is it? I am currently conducting
190. 7:14hunting activities as a corporation.
191. 7:17And I am not a member of a hunting
192. 7:19association. Because that side is
193. 7:20strictly for leisure and hobbies.
194. 7:22>> So you treat it completely as a
195. 7:23business.
196. 7:24>> Exactly. Hunting associations are for
197. 7:26hobbies, so...
198. 7:26>> So you're saying you're doing it as a
199. 7:27professional?
200. 7:28>> Yes, that’s why I am conducting
201. 7:29>> capture activities as a business.
202. 7:31>> Yeah. So, unless we approach this as a
203. 7:33business, I don't think we can create
204. 7:35an economy. We can't just kill the
205. 7:38animals; we need to focus on promoting
206. 7:40wild game as a product, which is what's
207. 7:42happening nationwide now.
208. 7:44>> Well, to answer Mr. Kindo's question,
209. 7:46you mean the latter?
210. 7:47>> That's right. As a business.
211. 7:49>> Yes, a business.
212. 7:50>> You mean turning a profit as a
213. 7:51standalone business?
214. 7:52>> Uh, is it profitable?
215. 7:53>> That is what I want you to aim for. Aim
216. 7:54for it?
217. 7:55>> Is it actually profitable?
218. 8:00>> I am making a profit.
219. 8:01>> Well,
220. 8:02>> but overall,
221. 8:03>> it shouldn't be profitable at all.
222. 8:04>> Then why hasn't it become an industry
223. 8:06until now? Doesn't the fact that so
224. 8:08much tax money is being invested mean
225. 8:09there's a market for it? Ah,
226. 8:11>> I think there is still a great deal of
227. 8:13work needed to create that market from
228. 8:14here on out. Wild game is, after all,
229. 8:16just one type of food ingredient, and
230. 8:18it still carries many negative,
231. 8:20old-fashioned stereotypes. However,
232. 8:23it's treated as a high-end ingredient
233. 8:24in French cuisine, so I'd like to see
234. 8:26all of you managers use your influence
235. 8:28to help boost the industry.
236. 8:29>> Are there countries overseas where it
237. 8:31has been industrialized?
238. 8:32>> Yes, there are.
239. 8:33>> Oh, so there are.
240. 8:34>> I'd like to hear about that.
241. 8:35>> It's originally a natural ingredient,
242. 8:37right? They are natural Japanese
243. 8:39ingredients, but eating natural
244. 8:40ingredients has become quite common
245. 8:42overseas. In Japan, we prioritize
246. 8:45eating livestock, but in that sense,
247. 8:47for instance in France, eating wild
248. 8:48game is just like eating what's
249. 8:50naturally found in the mountains.
250. 8:55Because Japan has become so westernized
251. 8:57, there's a strong image that these
252. 8:59natural ingredients fall outside the
253. 9:01norm, so I think it might be
254. 9:02interesting to export them as "Made in
255. 9:04Japan." It doesn't seem financially
256. 9:09viable. If there are three problems you
257. 9:12want to solve, is it about solving the
258. 9:14issue of bears appearing, so we need
259. 9:16more hunters? Or is it about spreading
260. 9:19the culture of game meat? Or is it
261. 9:23neither, and you're actually targeting
262. 9:24a huge market and want to use this as a
263. 9:26pillar for economic growth? Which one
264. 9:30are you aiming to solve?
265. 9:31>> I believe it's the economy. The economy
266. 9:33? Not hunting itself?
267. 9:35>> Well, ultimately, even when it comes to
268. 9:37hunting, the reality in the industry
269. 9:38right now is that people might go out
270. 9:40once a week, if that.
271. 9:41>> So, in other words, carrying a gun is
272. 9:43just a means to an end?
273. 9:44>> It's one of the means, yes.
274. 9:46>> Are you saying you're proposing the
275. 9:47means of having people carry guns to
276. 9:48develop the economy?
277. 9:49>> Yes. If you're calling it a profession,
278. 9:51that feels like a poor sense of
279. 9:53business, considering 10 to 15 billion
280. 9:54yen in tax money is being poured into
281. 9:56it, right? For example, you use those
282. 9:58tax dollars to exterminate them, don't
283. 10:00you?
284. 10:00>> Yes. And what you just said is that we
285. 10:03should take those bears that were
286. 10:04exterminated and use them as food,
287. 10:06right?
288. 10:07>> That's correct.
289. 10:08>> Wait, is that tax money already being
290. 10:10used for something like repurposing
291. 10:11them?
292. 10:12>> No, actually, over 90%is discarded.
293. 10:15>> What?
294. 10:16>> Why is that?
295. 10:17>> Well, there are various issues, such as
296. 10:19the fundamental problem that they
297. 10:20aren't captured in a state suitable for
298. 10:22consumption to begin with, but
299. 10:23ultimately, it’s because the market
300. 10:25still hasn't matured.
301. 10:26>> So, there’s no distribution network.
302. 10:28>> Then it's not profitable, is it? We
303. 10:30want to build that with everyone's help
304. 10:31starting now.
305. 10:32>> Hmm. But it doesn't even taste good
306. 10:34right now.
307. 10:35>> I'm from Yamanashi, so I grew up eating
308. 10:37game meat on a regular basis. And in
309. 10:40our case, we don't buy it; we get it
310. 10:42from people. From neighbors who are
311. 10:45hunters.
312. 10:46>> So I’ve eaten wild boar and venison
313. 10:48and such, but...
314. 10:50>> It doesn't taste good at all. If you
315. 10:52were to buy game meat at a supermarket
316. 10:54to cook at home, you'd only be able to
317. 10:56make a god-awful, dry stew. So, hearing
318. 11:02this, I feel it would be a very high
319. 11:04hurdle to popularize game meat and make
320. 11:06it a familiar ingredient for the
321. 11:08general public. As a professional chef,
322. 11:17I believe that not every ingredient,
323. 11:20every deer, or every life is delicious.
324. 11:22It’s difficult to eat older animals,
325. 11:24but a major issue in this country is
326. 11:26that there are no proper quality
327. 11:28standards in place. The hunters are
328. 11:30often just amateurs, too. We need
329. 11:32leaders—managers who specialize in
330. 11:34developing people—who can clearly
331. 11:35distinguish between what is delicious
332. 11:37and what is not. I believe that if we
333. 11:39create an economic model for hunting,
334. 11:41people will emerge who can do this as a
335. 11:42full-time profession. Right now, it’s
336. 11:44only on weekends. Because of that, we
337. 11:46can't keep up. From an economic
338. 11:48standpoint, it’s too weak. As for
339. 11:52breaking the current reliance on
340. 11:54retired elderly members of hunting
341. 11:56associations, even if that’s the goal
342. 11:58, I’m still against it. For instance,
343. 12:03the number of people killed by wild
344. 12:05animals like bears is only in the
345. 12:07dozens. I saw data from 2023 showing it
346. 12:10was only six people. When you look at
347. 12:14the big picture, the economy doesn't
348. 12:16matter as much as the fact that
349. 12:18accidental shootings seem to cause more
350. 12:20deaths. Even if there were economic
351. 12:25viability in having more people carry
352. 12:27guns, if it spreads, the proportion of
353. 12:29accidents will rise as the ratio of
354. 12:31amateurs increases, and the rate of
355. 12:33accidental shootings will inevitably go
356. 12:36up as more people handle firearms. If
357. 12:40that happens, the goal of culling these
358. 12:42animals will backfire, and the reality
359. 12:44will be that more people are killed by
360. 12:46friendly fire than by the animals
361. 12:48themselves. It feels like a
362. 12:52counterproductive proposal.
363. 12:58>> I agree completely. If the number of
364. 13:01people carrying guns increases, it
365. 13:02means more armed people around us,
366. 13:04which could lead to more incidents and
367. 13:06a rise in related fatalities.
368. 13:08>> It’s just plain scary, isn’t it?
369. 13:10>> It really is.
370. 13:11>> We run a hunting school, and I truly
371. 13:13believe it comes down to education.
372. 13:15Whether it’s about laws or safety, it
373. 13:17has to be about education.
374. 13:20>> But even with education, just like in
375. 13:22other fields, incidents are still bound
376. 13:24to happen, right? Yes.
377. 13:26>> I think that an increase in numbers
378. 13:27increases that possibility, but what do
379. 13:29you think about that?
380. 13:31>> Of course, regarding those aspects,
381. 13:33before we enter our schools, the Public
382. 13:35Safety Commission and the police
383. 13:37conduct thorough vetting, so we are
384. 13:39licensed only after extensive
385. 13:40investigation, but we also want the
386. 13:42screening to be done strictly.
387. 13:44>> No, no, aren't you already screening
388. 13:46them? Even though we’ve spent 70
389. 13:49years making it incredibly difficult to
390. 13:51own a gun, more people are killed by
391. 13:53gun owners than by wild animals. I
392. 13:57think that alone is a clear reason why
393. 13:59we shouldn't increase the numbers, but
394. 14:01is there any point that can counter
395. 14:02that with numerical evidence? Well,
396. 14:05then conversely, if the number of
397. 14:07hunters does not increase
398. 14:08>> Yes.
399. 14:09>> If we consider what will happen, the
400. 14:11only options are to capture them or to
401. 14:13protect against them.
402. 14:14>> Yes.
403. 14:15>> So, I think we end up committing to the
404. 14:17"protect" side of things.
405. 14:18>> Yes.
406. 14:19>> Currently, that budget of over 10
407. 14:20billion yen is almost entirely for
408. 14:22fences.
409. 14:23>> I see.
410. 14:23>> And it is a fact that even with those
411. 14:25fences, we cannot fully protect
412. 14:26everything, so there is a situation
413. 14:28where we have to thin them out or
414. 14:30exterminate them.
415. 14:30>> Yes. Yes. Yes. And in that context, for
416. 14:33example, when it comes to fighting a
417. 14:35100kg bear, do you fight it with your
418. 14:36bare hands?
419. 14:37>> We still only have guns. Yeah. Yeah.
420. 14:39>> And since we are in Tokyo, it’s hard
421. 14:41to feel the reality of that kind of
422. 14:43damage, but since you came from
423. 14:45Yamanashi, I’m sure you’ve actually
424. 14:46seen it, like people being chased.
425. 14:49>> While they may not have died, there are
426. 14:51many more people who have been injured.
427. 14:52>> Yes.
428. 14:53>> And a great many of these are elderly
429. 14:55people. Since they are wild, they
430. 14:56target the elderly and children more
431. 14:58than us younger people. So, to protect
432. 15:00against that, while we do use fences,
433. 15:02we also have to go on the offensive to
434. 15:05some extent, otherwise wild animals
435. 15:07will keep coming into town, so I think
436. 15:09it's one of the options. If we are
437. 15:12mostly relying on people over 70 who
438. 15:14should have already retired to do the
439. 15:16shooting, then yes, accidents might
440. 15:18increase. But if we have younger people
441. 15:22with good reflexes and dynamic visual
442. 15:24acuity handle the guns, I get the
443. 15:26impression that accidents would be less
444. 15:28likely. Yeah. I see. Yes. That
445. 15:33concludes the opposition party's time.
446. 15:36What are your thoughts on this so far?
447. 15:39I feel like we should narrow the focus,
448. 15:41as the economic aspect seems impossible
449. 15:43.
450. 15:43>> I get the feeling that, and also what
451. 15:45Aoyama-san said......
452. 15:47>> about it not being delicious, well, I
453. 15:49think game meat can be delicious if
454. 15:50prepared properly by a professional,
455. 15:52but...
456. 15:53>> There are places that serve it well,
457. 15:54aren't there?
458. 15:55>> But if the market expands and the
459. 15:56general public starts cooking it,
460. 15:57it’s not really......
461. 15:58>> going to be that good, is it? I think
462. 16:01what Zaimu-san wants to say is about
463. 16:02the method of killing the game. Right
464. 16:07now, the focus is just on culling, with
465. 16:09the government paying hunters to do it,
466. 16:11so it’s not meant for eating. However
467. 16:15, if the goal were specifically to kill
468. 16:17them for food, the situation might be
469. 16:19different. Isn't that what you're
470. 16:23trying to say?
471. 16:24>> That's right. Thank you. That is
472. 16:25exactly it.
473. 16:26>> Yes. Well, what I think is that trying
474. 16:28to do this for economic reasons is
475. 16:30pretty much a lost cause, but the fact
476. 16:33that there are so many animals causing
477. 16:35damage is a constant problem, right? So
478. 16:40, for the sake of simple safety, since
479. 16:42the existing hunters aren't enough, if
480. 16:44we don't narrow the focus to just
481. 16:46allowing regular people to have guns to
482. 16:48solve that problem, won't there always
483. 16:50be division on this? Isn't it tough
484. 16:54when you look at it from the
485. 16:55perspective of economic rationality?
486. 16:57>> Yeah.
487. 16:58>> The scale is quite large, so I agree
488. 17:00that we should probably consider these
489. 17:02as separate issues. However, as long as
490. 17:05the government is involved, what’s
491. 17:07necessary is education and, of course,
492. 17:09economic support.
493. 17:10>> Yes. I think that's the area, so it
494. 17:13would be best to talk a bit about that.
495. 17:15>> Yeah. Well, also, when you think about
496. 17:17doing it as a profession and getting
497. 17:19paid,
498. 17:20>> without sales or an economy, there's no
499. 17:22money to pay salaries, so unless we
500. 17:24create this economic activity, the
501. 17:26profession itself won't come into
502. 17:28existence.
503. 17:29>> Yeah.
504. 17:31>> We already know that doing it just once
505. 17:33a week or once a month won't solve
506. 17:35anything, so I really want businesses
507. 17:36and managers to take the lead in making
508. 17:38this an economic activity so that
509. 17:40people can do it daily while getting
510. 17:42paid properly.
511. 17:44>> Yeah. Now, let's move on to the ruling
512. 17:47party time.
513. 17:48>> Ruling party time. Everyone becomes a
514. 17:52proponent, adding advice and concrete
515. 17:54measures to realize the proposal.
516. 17:58>> Regarding the issue of guns from
517. 17:59earlier, I also don't think it's a good
518. 18:01idea for every business owner to carry
519. 18:03a gun. However, keeping one as a final
520. 18:08resort for when lives are threatened,
521. 18:09or when schools or children are in
522. 18:11grave danger, I think that could be one
523. 18:13option. In fact, there were 238 victims
524. 18:20in 2025, and the country is already
525. 18:22moving toward revising laws to allow
526. 18:24firing in some cases,
527. 18:28>> but the way you approached it is just
528. 18:30out of line; isn't it true that in
529. 18:31places like Germany, you have to spend
530. 18:33100 hours of training to be able to own
531. 18:35a gun?
532. 18:36>> Right, I totally get that. I think so
533. 18:38too.
534. 18:39>> Giving people guns as a safety net is
535. 18:40the worst idea. So, you absolutely need
536. 18:42to have strict standards, like
537. 18:44obtaining proper qualifications.
538. 18:46>> Even with standards, I believe Japan's
539. 18:48safety comes from the fact that we
540. 18:50don't and can't carry guns; after all,
541. 18:52police officers go through intense
542. 18:54training, don't they? So, if there were
543. 18:57some kind of new qualification, I'm of
544. 18:59the opinion that the possibility isn't
545. 19:01zero. Is the line drawn at being
546. 19:05allowed to fire in the city when
547. 19:06animals enter and are about to attack
548. 19:08children?
549. 19:10>> Yeah. Well, I think that is one
550. 19:12possible approach. I certainly
551. 19:13understand Mr. Noshibu's opinion,
552. 19:15though. I also think it’s not good
553. 19:17for guns to be flooding the streets.
554. 19:18>> But when someone is actually attacked
555. 19:20in town, say a 100kg wild boar comes
556. 19:22here and starts biting someone, the
557. 19:24question becomes: who does what?
558. 19:26>> Yeah.
559. 19:27>> No one can fight it. Well, I actually
560. 19:29train for it, by the way. If it's up to
561. 19:31about 100kg, I can take it down
562. 19:32barehanded.
563. 19:33>> Wait, you take it down? I do.
564. 19:35>> But I'll stop talking about it. Just,
565. 19:37you know,
566. 19:38>> It was right on the edge.
567. 19:39>> I'm like Hanma Yujiro.
568. 19:41>> It’s cutting it very close, but I can
569. 19:43save someone. But can any of you
570. 19:45business owners save someone?
571. 19:46>> No, sounds impossible. I'm
572. 19:50>> close to Mr. Ban. On the side of the
573. 19:53demon.
574. 19:54>> But, for example, if your own child
575. 19:55were truly attacked by a wild animal,
576. 19:57you wouldn't be able to stay so laid
577. 19:59back.
578. 19:59>> Yeah.
579. 20:00>> I don't think you could. Farmers are
580. 20:01mostly elderly, right? Grandmas and
581. 20:03grandpas.
582. 20:04>> Yeah.
583. 20:04>> Those are the people being attacked.
584. 20:06And annually, there is about 4 billion
585. 20:08yen in rice crop damage.
586. 20:09>> Yeah.
587. 20:10>> People say there was no rice last year,
588. 20:12but in the first place, the wildlife
589. 20:14damage just won't decrease.
590. 20:15>> And even if the numbers go down, many
591. 20:17people end up quitting farming anyway.
592. 20:18The damage is just too severe. So,
593. 20:21while we need to solve this problem
594. 20:22with rice in Japan, I have always
595. 20:24believed that business owners should be
596. 20:26the ones taking the lead on this.
597. 20:28>> Yeah.
598. 20:28>> Well, regarding the current issue, I do
599. 20:30understand the argument that maybe we
600. 20:32should sell [the weapons]. I feel like
601. 20:34there must be some way to handle it,
602. 20:36don't you?
603. 20:36>> It’s not like we can have zero risk,
604. 20:38is it? So many lives are, well, being
605. 20:40killed; we are on the side that’s
606. 20:41being killed.
607. 20:42>> Well, but you know, Zosu seems to have
608. 20:44the answer, so that’s true.
609. 20:46>> Right, cars also kill people, don't
610. 20:48they?
611. 20:48>> They do. But we don't stop using them,
612. 20:50do we? In the future, I think AI and
613. 20:53such will solve both these animal
614. 20:55control issues and car accidents in
615. 20:57just a few years. Children, the elderly
616. 21:02, and women are being targeted—men
617. 21:04too, but as a Japanese man, I believe
618. 21:06only women and children need to be made
619. 21:09happy. What are you reading? What do
620. 21:13you mean?
621. 21:13>> What do you mean?
622. 21:14>> Wait a minute.
623. 21:15>> Because it's a textbook from the other
624. 21:17day.
625. 21:18>> I'm reading a blacked-out textbook.
626. 21:21>> Don't think men deserve happiness. Die,
627. 21:23men.
628. 21:26>> Men have no choice.
629. 21:28>> Heihachi Edajima.
630. 21:31>> The teacher...
631. 21:32>> It's a phrase the principal taught me.
632. 21:34>> Yeah.
633. 21:35>> If there aren't enough firefighters, as
634. 21:37a manager, you join the volunteer fire
635. 21:39corps. Yeah.
636. 21:41>> Doing volunteer work like disaster
637. 21:43prevention.
638. 21:46>> That's what a man does, and since men
639. 21:47are the majority, I think we'll win.
640. 21:51Roar.
641. 21:52>> If you don't stand up and fight then,
642. 21:54what are you doing? Were you even born
643. 21:56a man?
644. 21:56>> Wait, does that mean fighting with your
645. 21:58bare hands, not guns?
646. 22:00>> If you have the spirit of Heihachi
647. 22:01Edajima, they'll run away from you.
648. 22:03Just by looking at them.
649. 22:04>> Yes. It’s a fact. Even I, the moment
650. 22:07a boar comes at me, it turns its back.
651. 22:09They do. They’ve already lost.
652. 22:11>> Eh?
653. 22:11>> Heihachi. Wait.
654. 22:14>> Shall we clarify?
655. 22:16>> But at that moment, I catch up, grab
656. 22:18its hind legs, and flip it over.
657. 22:19>> Even though it's running away?
658. 22:21>> Of course.
659. 22:22>> I don't hold back.
660. 22:24>> It's so real it's scary.
661. 22:26>> Farmers are really in trouble, and
662. 22:28there are many places where you can't
663. 22:30fire a gun. Yeah.
664. 22:32>> So, how do you handle it? You can
665. 22:34oppose guns, but you have no choice but
666. 22:35to use your bare hands. I want to see
667. 22:38you flip a boar and beat it up. I
668. 22:40upload those videos for my school, yes.
669. 22:43>> I upload videos as study material.
670. 22:45>> This is definitely...
671. 22:48>> In the history of this show, has
672. 22:49anyone's image changed so much toward
673. 22:51the end?
674. 22:53>> If there was a "Man School," I'd join
675. 22:55it.
676. 22:55>> It's almost inhuman. Are you human?
677. 22:58Really, you're not human.
678. 22:59>> Yes.
679. 23:00>> I think I’ve surpassed over a
680. 23:01thousand battles.
681. 23:02>> A thousand? A thousand?
682. 23:03>> At first, you said you killed them.
683. 23:04That's right.
684. 23:05>> Indeed. What I realized through this is
685. 23:07that Japan is oblivious to reality
686. 23:08because of peace.
687. 23:08>> Oh, well, yeah.
688. 23:10>> In the end, that's it.
689. 23:11>> That’s why everyone pays so much in
690. 23:12taxes.
691. 23:13>> Well, they try to look good, right? I'm
692. 23:15a business owner myself. However...
693. 23:16>> It doesn't solve anything at all.
694. 23:18Paying taxes doesn't fix it.
695. 23:19>> If you ask what we should do, will the
696. 23:21Self-Defense Forces do it? Will the
697. 23:23police? Nobody will. Unless business
698. 23:25owners take the lead, rally the
699. 23:27Japanese people, and create a new
700. 23:28organization saying "we will do it," it
701. 23:30won't be solved for our grandchildren,
702. 23:32or even a hundred years from now.
703. 23:34>> I see.
704. 23:34>> Yes. With that said, I would like to
705. 23:37move on to the final statement by Mr.
706. 23:39Yama.
707. 23:40>> Final statement. Based on the
708. 23:42discussions and advice so far, the
709. 23:44proposer will make a final appeal of
710. 23:46their intentions.
711. 23:49>> If more than half are in favor, and
712. 23:51Chairman Noguchi deems it necessary, a
713. 23:53prize will be awarded, so Mr. Yama,
714. 23:55please begin your final statement. Go
715. 23:58ahead.
716. 23:59>> Yes. What I wanted to convey is that,
717. 24:03in the current global situation, I want
718. 24:05people to understand that we must
719. 24:06firmly protect ourselves as Japanese,
720. 24:08and I want business owners to become
721. 24:10those leaders. I hope everyone will
722. 24:15study with the goal of obtaining a gun
723. 24:17permit. Mm. Yes, thank you. Now, please
724. 24:22provide your final judgment. After the
725. 24:26statements and discussion, the members
726. 24:28will express their final vote. The
727. 24:31representatives for and against will
728. 24:33make their final arguments to Chairman
729. 24:35Noguchi, who holds the deciding vote.
730. 24:40>> All in favor or against, please show
731. 24:42your signs now.
732. 24:43>> Oh.
733. 24:44>> Oh. Oh.
734. 24:45>> Wow.
735. 24:46>> This is crazy. This is crazy.
736. 24:48>> 5 in favor, 2 against. Earlier it was 2
737. 24:51in favor and 5 against, so it has
738. 24:53completely flipped. Now, for the
739. 24:57argument in favor, Mr. Yama, please.
740. 25:01>> If you're a man, do it.
741. 25:05>> That is all, but...
742. 25:06>> Discussion.
743. 25:07>> Yes. Then, for the discussion against
744. 25:10...
745. 25:10>> Mr. O, please.
746. 25:12>> Of course, I share the awareness of the
747. 25:14issues, such as the frequent damage
748. 25:15caused by bears. However, I would like
749. 25:17everyone to think about this once more.
750. 25:19What image comes to mind when you hear
751. 25:21"gun"? Some may think it's cool. But a
752. 25:23gun is a very dangerous thing that has
753. 25:25the power to kill a person. And in this
754. 25:27discussion, members have also pointed
755. 25:29out incidents like accidental shootings
756. 25:31. If we are to let everyone carry such
757. 25:34an extremely dangerous thing, I believe
758. 25:36overwhelming logic is required.
759. 25:37Economic growth, or perhaps being able
760. 25:39to eat surprisingly delicious food.
761. 25:42Were those arguments really fully
762. 25:43reflected in today's discussion? I
763. 25:46don't feel they were. And hearing
764. 25:48moving episodes makes one want to get
765. 25:49excited. It's thrilling. However, we
766. 25:52must also turn our eyes to the sad
767. 25:54history where such excitement and
768. 25:56aspirations triggered that war. For
769. 25:59those reasons, I urge everyone to take
770. 26:01a cautious stance on this proposal to
771. 26:03arm many people, and I state my strong
772. 26:05determination not to award the 100,000
773. 26:07yen to the first presenter, concluding
774. 26:09my opposition speech. Thank you.
775. 26:12>> Yes. Now that everyone is opposed, the
776. 26:19fate of the prize money rests on Mr.
777. 26:21Noguchi's final decision.
778. 26:26>> Now, Mr. Noguchi, before your final
779. 26:28verdict for the Future Conference based
780. 26:30on the discussions so far, a commercial
781. 26:32break. The Japan Future Conference,
782. 26:36today's topic is this. Solve the call
783. 26:39center labor shortage with AI. There's
784. 26:43no way current AI technology can handle
785. 26:45complex call center tasks, right?
786. 26:47>> It can't. Exactly. I don't need it at
787. 26:50all.
788. 26:50>> I'll handle everything myself.
789. 26:51>> No mistakes.
790. 26:52>> Mr. Noguchi, please give us your final
791. 26:54verdict.
792. 26:55>> Approved.
793. 26:56>> Really?
794. 26:56>> Yes.
795. 26:57>> Whether it's technical issues or sheer
796. 26:59willpower, Callways can solve it.
797. 27:01>> Really?
798. 27:02>> Huh.
799. 27:07>> If you want AI to handle your phone
800. 27:09calls, Callways is the one. For details
801. 27:15, search for Callways.
802. 27:17>> Mr. Noguchi, please give your final
803. 27:19verdict. The final verdict is rejected.
804. 27:23>> Oh! I wrote "Business Owners?" as a
805. 27:26question. You see, everyone, I think
806. 27:28you're under the misconception that
807. 27:30business owners are excellent people.
808. 27:32Yes. Business owners, well, they just
809. 27:34want to cause a firestorm on social
810. 27:36media. They're all just fools.
811. 27:38>> So, should we really be arming them?
812. 27:40That's true.
813. 27:41>> Yeah.
814. 27:43>> Honestly, the reason I love the country
815. 27:45of Japan is because of its safety and
816. 27:47stability. No, I understand. The bear
817. 27:51problem is particularly critical, so it
818. 27:54really must be solved. The issue of
819. 27:58relying on local hunters over 70 also
820. 28:00needs addressing, but I don't think the
821. 28:02Japan Future Conference can endorse the
822. 28:04idea of business owners casually taking
823. 28:07up arms.
824. 28:08>> True.
825. 28:09>> Yeah. That’s what I thought.
826. 28:10>> By the way, people who own guns are
827. 28:12vetted by the police; conversely, that
828. 28:14means those of us here who can't own
829. 28:16guns are social misfits.
830. 28:17>> Wait, what do you mean?
831. 28:18>> Yeah, we're social misfits. What, what
832. 28:20does that mean? What are you saying?
833. 28:22>> The thing is, only people who are
834. 28:24socially and economically fully vetted
835. 28:26can ever be allowed to own a gun.
836. 28:28>> Mentally, too.
837. 28:29>> I want one. Well, I want one.
838. 28:31>> So, it's impossible. Impossible.
839. 28:33>> Exactly. That’s why I chose business
840. 28:35owners. I thought that hurdles which
841. 28:37might be too high for the general
842. 28:38public could be overcome by business
843. 28:40owners, which is why it was the topic
844. 28:41today. Yes. I’m sorry. Business
845. 28:43owners are, uh, idiots.
846. 28:45>> Yes. With that said, Mr. Noguchi, thank
847. 28:47you very much. Well, that brings us to
848. 28:49the result of rejection, but presenter
849. 28:51Yama-san, how did you feel about it?
850. 28:54>> Yes, it was a short time so I don’t
851. 28:56think everything came across clearly,
852. 28:58but I do believe the initial image has
853. 29:00changed at least a little bit. However,
854. 29:03this is truly a problem for the nation;
855. 29:05it has become a national policy issue.
856. 29:08So, as for who should tackle this,
857. 29:10there’s only so much we can rely on
858. 29:11politicians for, so I think it would be
859. 29:13good for various business owners to
860. 29:15take on the challenge, and I intend to
861. 29:17keep moving forward with it. Thank you.
862. 29:21Well, after hearing everything today, I
863. 29:23think the viewers now recognize that
864. 29:25this is a problem that truly must be
865. 29:27solved. Now, as for whether business
866. 29:32owners should be the ones to solve it,
867. 29:34Mr. Noguchi raised some doubts at the
868. 29:35end, but while I was looking at Mr.
869. 29:37Kita's face, I couldn't help but think
870. 29:39there might still be more that politics
871. 29:41can do.
872. 29:44>> Well, for example, in areas actually
873. 29:46plagued by these issues, instead of
874. 29:48just relying on committee members with
875. 29:50little more than volunteer pay, I was
876. 29:52thinking while listening that we could
877. 29:53try things like securing a more
878. 29:55substantial budget to address the
879. 29:57situation properly. What did you all
880. 30:00think about this? Please let us know
881. 30:02your thoughts in the comments section.
882. 30:05And, in addition to your feedback on
883. 30:07the program, I would also appreciate it
884. 30:08if you could like the video and
885. 30:10subscribe to the channel. We'll see you
886. 30:12again at the Japan Future Conference.
887. 30:14Thank you very much. This is the man
888. 30:19who caused the hit-and-run incident.
889. 30:21Can we change the subject? Yes. Yes.
890. 30:23That's right.
891. 30:24>> Business owners should stir up
892. 30:26controversy to gain recognition. Why
893. 30:28did he come back? It seems he still
894. 30:30hasn't escaped the demon of wanting to
895. 30:32be a merchant.