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0:00uh,
0:00>> [clears throat]
0:01>> us to get rolling. Is there any other
0:03business you needed to cover before we
0:05got into this item, like accepting
0:07minutes from other meetings or anything
0:08like that?
0:09>> Yes, we do have meetings and roll call.
0:12>> Okay.
0:34>> Good morning, sir.
0:41You want to do roll call, sir?
0:43>> Yeah, let's uh,
0:44see who's here. Durfee, Stu Lerner, Rex
0:47Farley, Adrian.
0:50Uh, no Adam.
0:52Is Adam or Tyler, are you on Zoom?
0:57No answer. Okay, so it doesn't look like
0:59they're there. We've got our clerk and
1:02uh, we got Hector.
1:04So we're just missing a couple.
1:08And I think you said Miranda that that
1:11uh, somebody had emailed in, they had an
1:13excuse or we excuse absence.
1:16>> they'd be joining on Zoom. I have to
1:18look back to see who it was. It was.
1:21>> Okay.
1:23So we have the meeting minutes uh, from
1:26the last two meetings. You go into your
1:29uh,
1:32packet, you'll see
1:35uh,
1:36we have
1:38the minutes are in here. It's right
1:40there. Both of them.
1:42Yeah.
1:44Okay, yeah, this starts with another
1:45face page, the city of Sunnyvale right
1:48here. And this is
1:50the last meeting. And and the agenda is
1:53there. I'm assuming you all saw this by
1:55email, you all read this.
1:57Are there any questions on
2:00the past
2:01minutes?
2:05Timmy right there.
2:07>> Remember you had it.
2:08>> It's in
2:09right there.
2:10>> Yeah, that's it.
2:10>> That's it.
2:11>> Yeah, that's where it starts.
2:13So
2:16that
2:16>> [clears throat]
2:17>> that moment can you do that just sort of
2:19refresh your memory?
2:48Are there any questions from anybody on
2:49Zoom regarding the the prior meeting
2:53uh
2:54minutes?
2:57Right? So uh I'm going to move that uh
3:00the minutes be accepted and adopted.
3:03>> to do a motion. You got a motion.
3:04>> Need a motion. You got a motion.
3:06>> I motion.
3:07>> Adrian you has a motion on the floor.
3:10>> I'll second it.
3:11>> Uh let's vote all favor accepting the
3:14minutes.
3:15>> I
3:15>> And after the second you
3:17have discussion.
3:19>> Oh sure, let's discuss. Please, what do
3:20you have?
3:21>> Um well, I was just in a finance
3:22committee meeting and I have a amount
3:24here.
3:25>> $18,597
3:28Is that payment for
3:31It says airport perimeter fencing
3:33improvements.
3:34>> Yes.
3:34>> It's all done?
3:35>> That is for the initial survey, uh some
3:39of our project management, and the
3:41design that we've done so far. A lot of
3:42that is FAA coordination.
3:44>> So that was I was right.
3:46>> I believe that's our part of our
3:48matching the city spent.
3:50>> And there was a question about it and I
3:51said, "Oh, well, I'm
3:53>> Yeah.
3:53>> going to my meeting in 10 minutes."
3:55>> Well, you remember I said when I first
3:57came in, they've been very busy out
3:58there almost for a month now.
4:00>> Yeah.
4:01>> Maybe even 5 weeks.
4:02>> Right. And I saw the them the remnants
4:05because I went out and changed some of
4:06your lights for you.
4:07>> Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. Thank you.
4:10Yeah, we had that that one right across
4:12in the field take over there. That side
4:13was
4:14>> They're gone.
4:14>> They're worried about Oh, and I didn't
4:16get that one, but maybe we'll get that
4:18one.
4:18>> I would unscrew them and look at them.
4:20There was two of them that were broken
4:22off at the
4:22>> Okay. [clears throat]
4:23>> at the
4:24So, I just switched them out.
4:25>> Every once in a while an airplane take a
4:27little excursion over there.
4:28>> Yeah.
4:30>> Usually doesn't flatten it. It just
4:32leans them over a little.
4:33>> [laughter]
4:35>> Can I ask a question about that about
4:37that $18,000 number?
4:40Can I ask a question?
4:42>> Sure.
4:42>> Um
4:44So, that that shouldn't Maybe it's more
4:47of a comment. That shouldn't be all of
4:49the city's um
4:52responsibility. There's that that should
4:53be sent in to be reimbursed by FAA.
4:58Cuz there's there's a 95 95%
5:02or 90% FAA.
5:04>> I think it's 90%. I'm not positive. I
5:06believe it's 90% of the total program is
5:10FAA funded.
5:11>> Right.
5:12>> 10% is the local match.
5:14>> Right. And we have not We have not
5:16>> Is it 95/5?
5:18>> Well, that was this year, Hector. The
5:20new fiscal year it switched back to
5:2290/10, but we can ask Paul or Agnes to
5:24see if when we started and got the
5:26grants authorized if it if it holds that
5:2995/5 cuz it's a good It's a good
5:31question.
5:31>> Well, that's more favorable for us. I'm
5:33all for it.
5:34>> Yeah, I think we should ask that
5:35question.
5:36>> Okay. I was remembering when the runway
5:38got redone. I think that was a 90/10.
5:42>> Yeah, it it was. I don't know for sure.
5:43>> They They adjust it.
5:45>> Well, they adjust it.
5:46>> It was 90/10, not always.
5:48>> But I just I just want to be clear that
5:50that 18,000 should not be all Sunnyside
5:53responsibility, but it'll get flushed
5:55out kind of like insurance, right? Let's
5:56get the reimbursement of what happens.
5:58>> Exactly.
5:59>> Yeah, it's that's basically what was
6:01said was once we see some receipts, we
6:04it's like receipt, you take care of the
6:06problem and then
6:08come back here. You get reimbursed. So,
6:10that was my question
6:12>> Good.
6:12>> finance committee because I I've never
6:14seen that before. I knew I was coming
6:16here so I could ask.
6:17>> That will answer it.
6:17>> Yeah, well, I'm glad you brought that
6:18up. Thank you.
6:20>> Thank you, Ben.
6:21>> Are there any other questions
6:23for the adoption of the
6:25the the the
6:26the minutes?
6:28Okay, all in favor, I.
6:30>> I.
6:30>> I. No opposed? Any opposed? None?
6:33Okay, so they're adopted.
6:36Um
6:40Part B,
6:42we're going to move to the airport
6:43emergency plan. This is stimulated by
6:45our recent major fire event
6:48where they we had a sort of a takeover
6:50of the airport. And uh
6:53>> Leave the empty.
6:54>> Right.
6:55>> Yeah.
6:55>> Yeah, so and I was there. I observed it
6:59all from close range and actually
7:02once I explained to them that you can't
7:04take over a private business, they got
7:06real cooperative and they stayed sort of
7:08on the public part of the the property.
7:11And they were actually that first day,
7:13they were busy. So, the idea of having a
7:15very, very brief plan is just you're
7:19mainly dealing with DNR. DNR is the top
7:21dog on the fire plan.
7:23And they're the ones that have the most
7:24equipment and the heaviest equipment uh
7:27including contractors. There was also US
7:29Fish and Wildlife had a contractor,
7:32uh Hillcrest Aviation at 407 out of
7:35Lewiston. They were parked down
7:39uh parked to the east in in the parking
7:40area. And so that wasn't even an issue.
7:43Uh and then and then all these people
7:45were there for two full days and then
7:47part of a third day. So, the whole idea
7:50of having just a very brief plan is to
7:53put something in the file at DNR and and
7:57as a courtesy with US Fish and Wildlife
7:59for the other agency on the federal side
8:02that also coordinates with BLM cuz
8:04there's lots of BLM land in the state of
8:06Washington.
8:08And they have their own fire service
8:09suppression crews which they coordinate
8:12with with DNR. So, if we just have a a
8:14very I'm thinking it's a one or one and
8:16a half page
8:18plan that has a diagram such as this.
8:20Says, "Here's the preferred place to put
8:22your aircraft. Here's where your fuel
8:24tankers should go. And here's where
8:27there's available power. Here's
8:28available water." And just you know,
8:30have those things highlighted.
8:33Um they did not
8:35pull water or retardant on this fire.
8:37They did only refueling.
8:40They used the portable pools and acres
8:43to do all the water because helicopters
8:45are most efficient when they're a mile
8:46from the fire.
8:48And you don't have that long ferry time
8:49coming all the way back to the fixed
8:51base. So, they they would just arrive
8:53here approximately every 2 hours and
8:55they would pump them full of Jet A
8:58and cuz everything was turbine. It was
8:59it was on these fires. So, we just have
9:02a just a just the simplest of plans. We
9:04have it on file. Everything gets
9:06digitized. When these guys arrive, we'll
9:08say, "Hey, there's a fire plan. And you
9:10know, here's Hector's contact
9:12information. If you have any questions,
9:14please give him a call. Here's his cell
9:15number." And and so, I think just having
9:17that plan on file and and with these
9:19eight these three agencies um just keeps
9:22it organized in the future cuz it was a
9:24little chaotic at the start.
9:26>> No, most definitely. Like I said, I've
9:27I'm working on that. Uh
9:29I will be reaching out. Obviously, I
9:30reached out to Fish and Wildlife cuz of
9:32the geese.
9:34Um and like I said, they they need
9:35pictures. So, I need to send them
9:37pictures of the geese um to say that
9:39they are where there's where they're not
9:41supposed to be, which is our airport.
9:43So, you like the
9:45Mr. Dirty Ted, if we can use you know,
9:48just one of those brown shotgun rounds.
9:50>> Brad, what year did they build that uh
9:52new irrigation pond? Well, there's two
9:54of them.
9:55>> Well, the big one. The new one.
9:58>> Well, there's two of them though.
9:59>> Yeah, I know, but the one that's closest
10:00to us, the half half moon shape.
10:03>> Six years ago?
10:05One of the one of them.
10:06>> Okay, so so like three years ago they
10:08built a new
10:09it's a called a balance pond.
10:11>> Mhm.
10:11>> Where they can retain a pretty
10:13significant volume of water and when
10:15everybody get really hot, everybody
10:16draws down and the ditches are running
10:18low, they can dump extra water into the
10:21system. So, the geese, that's where they
10:23overnight.
10:24>> Mhm.
10:24>> Okay, and then the feed is directly
10:26south of us.
10:27>> Yeah.
10:28>> And so,
10:29they're right at at or below pattern
10:32altitude.
10:33Uh I actually flew Sunday morning
10:36and had to avoid one flock
10:38>> Mhm.
10:39>> uh when I was coming in.
10:41Uh it was probably a small flock, like
10:4460 birds.
10:45>> Yeah, okay.
10:45>> As we get to mid-November, there'll be a
10:48crescendo of two or 3,000
10:51>> Mhm.
10:51>> birds commuting daily.
10:53And in a small airplane, if you hit just
10:55one of those
10:56>> No, most definitely.
10:56>> I mean, it took it took only three or
10:58four to put that jet liner into the
11:00Hudson.
11:00>> Mhm.
11:01>> So, uh you know, and I have a friend who
11:04told me his airplane was getting
11:06>> Yeah, definitely.
11:07>> So, we're
11:08uh it is a it is a risk and and we need
11:10to sort of deal with it.
11:12I'll be I'll be documenting. I've got a
11:14camera.
11:14>> Yeah. And then if you see that, I can
11:16see that.
11:16>> You have a little of the house at one
11:17little level of the house and I just as
11:19soon as I see them here, I'm going to
11:20run outside and I'll click click click.
11:22I'll get lots of documentation.
11:24>> We're dealing with two ponds.
11:26>> Yeah, there's two
11:27>> furthest to the north.
11:28>> Those are pattern altitude.
11:30>> Yeah.
11:30>> The ones you're talking about
11:31>> They're low.
11:32>> 2 or 300 feet. So it's right where
11:33you're taking off, right where you're
11:35landing.
11:37So when you say two or three hundred
11:38feet, what you're saying is they're in
11:40range of a shotgun.
11:42Yeah,
11:43geese are smart. Yeah, okay, the white
11:45geese not so much, but the Canada's
11:49You interrupt their little morning
11:51flight two or three times in a row, they
11:53find another route.
11:55They're really risk averse.
11:57>> We didn't have the immediate pressure
11:59when I was all alfalfa.
12:00Now that it's in corn, that's what
12:03that's what they're going to. And corn
12:04is right there.
12:05>> Yeah, they're going to actually be
12:06feeding
12:07within slingshot range of
12:10I've seen them within 15 feet of the
12:11runway.
12:12So
12:14they'll walk a little ways when you get
12:15down there and start your engine
12:16running.
12:17They'll only go out about 100 feet and
12:19they'll stand there and look at you.
12:22>> Okay. Yeah, I'm definitely
12:25getting on that and I said I'd reach out
12:27to them. I just need to get some
12:28pictures so I can
12:30advise them what it is, you know, and
12:32where where they're mainly at. So
12:35>> What what's your irrigation district say
12:36about it?
12:39>> What I'd love to have them do is is just
12:41put two or three propane cannons with
12:43timers
12:44and keep the geese off there at night.
12:46If they can keep the geese off at night,
12:48then we won't have that morning flight
12:50and then the return afternoon flight
12:52back to the roost. We just
12:54got to take it away from being a roost.
12:55There's lots of water and most of the
12:57aqueduct directly below us is actually a
13:00wildlife refuge. It's a no hunting zone.
13:03So it's it's not like we're depriving
13:05the geese of something that they need.
13:08They're just fat and lazy and and using
13:11the available resource that we created
13:13for them. So
13:15>> Those algae balls, those black algae
13:17balls
13:19They can put They can cover that pond
13:21with those things.
13:22They could and then that was
13:24but they'll stop them from cuz they've
13:26done research on that. The cannons,
13:28those people living around that pond
13:30would be pissed.
13:32>> Well, we'll turn them off at like 7:00
13:34p.m. They They just need to fire between
13:36about 5:00 and 7:00. They're flying it.
13:39>> I can send the hot tub at 9:00 at night
13:41and they're going over
13:43their hot tub and
13:43>> Yeah.
13:44>> I don't I don't
13:45>> By the way, most of the cranes, the
13:47sandhills, have passed.
13:49And the airport is just slightly off
13:53from the gap
13:54>> where 241 goes over.
13:56>> And they come
13:57just like GPS guided. You know, they're
14:00just like they're flying the the line.
14:02>> They're crossing the lines.
14:03>> Wow, that would be
14:04>> They are They're a lot bigger and a lot
14:05They're way bigger
14:06than a wild
14:07Yeah.
14:09>> Yep, I'm working on it. We'll see what
14:10we can do.
14:11>> Perfect. All right.
14:13>> I was on uh
14:15on uh when the school district has them,
14:17we drove them out there. We
14:20we got permission from dispatch and the
14:22police chief and went out there and took
14:23care of a few of them.
14:24>> Yeah. Yeah.
14:25>> And then they didn't come back. And then
14:26we cut the trees down.
14:27>> I I That's something that I want in the
14:29plan is I want just authorized people to
14:32be shooters.
14:33And I want dispatch to get a call saying
14:37>> It's okay.
14:38>> You know, this is what's happening.
14:40Here's the cell phone number of our
14:42depredation guy.
14:44And if you have any questions and you
14:46get reports of shooting, this is It's a
14:49shotgun and or it's a depredation thing
14:51on geese.
14:52>> They usually give you about from 12:00
14:54to 2:00.
14:55And that's what they give us that
14:57window, 12:00 to 2:00. But it was both
14:58crows and
15:00>> Yeah.
15:00>> I mean, the geese just
15:01>> By the way, the the the the crane is
15:03known as the the flying uh ribeye.
15:07They are one of the best eating animals
15:09on the land. They're not legal to to
15:10hunt here. But throughout the Midwest,
15:13uh the all the way from Texas, Oklahoma,
15:15up through the Dakotas,
15:16>> They're a lot of
15:16>> they're considered a trophy bird.
15:18>> So [clears throat] that that's noon to
15:20Yeah. No, Midnight to 2:00 a.m.
15:25It's early in the morning is when they
15:27because you go out there you can throw a
15:28net on those
15:30the geese over at Goelitz. I mean, I
15:31would I talked
15:32>> Oh, I know what you're talking about.
15:33Yeah, at night.
15:33>> Right. And right in front of here is
15:35where you
15:36walk out there and throw a net over them
15:38if you wanted to, but they're right
15:39there where you're coming in.
15:42>> Oh, yeah.
15:42>> When they come up and go down, they're a
15:44big group.
15:45>> Yes, they are.
15:46>> And they're coming. This is just the
15:48beginning of them right now.
15:49>> Yeah, yeah.
15:50>> This is just just starting.
15:51>> Yeah, it gets black out there.
15:54>> Yeah, it does.
15:57Well, we'll work something through it.
15:58You're on it and I appreciate that.
16:00Thank you.
16:01>> This is This is Ted. I'd like to like to
16:03comment on on uh
16:05you mentioned deprivation permits. You
16:07don't Actually, you would not really
16:09need a deprivation permit. It It'd
16:11probably be advised advisable to notify
16:16the Department of Fish and Wildlife that
16:18you'll be
16:19shooting
16:21and getting getting permission to the
16:22city and and a notifying the police
16:25department there would just to go out
16:27there and shoot to scare the birds away.
16:29You don't really need to kill them. You
16:31know, I'm not not opposed to having
16:33dinner, don't get me wrong, but that way
16:35you wouldn't have to go through the
16:36efforts of deprivation permits and all
16:38that.
16:39>> Yeah, um and that's something we'd have
16:42to ask because obviously being inside
16:44city limits
16:45um
16:46>> Nothing's inside city limits.
16:47>> Well, the the airport is in
16:49>> Yeah, they are. [clears throat] Yeah.
16:49>> Yeah, the president for this the road 68
16:52was a real goose hotspot Oh, boy. And
16:56they the city council did approve
17:00um a select group of shooters.
17:03Uh we had to
17:04pass this kind of training course or
17:06something and they were only allowed to
17:08use certain loads.
17:10And they were all encouraged to buy this
17:12aftermarket barrel for your gun that's
17:14like 40 inches long and it muffles the
17:17sound of the shot cuz we all know how
17:19many people live on road 68.
17:21But
17:22that problem sort of went away when they
17:23convert all that to houses.
17:26So that was just about a 10 year period
17:29before all those houses went in
17:31that there was a big problem with the
17:32geese there.
17:34>> We would watch the
17:36crop dusters
17:38you know in that field right there.
17:41And
17:41you can see these geese going up over
17:43here and this guy coming in and he's
17:46he's
17:47scaring them.
17:47>> You're rolling nice when you're doing
17:49that stunt for me. That's a That's a $3
17:52million plane today from the factory at
17:53802. $3 million.
17:55>> He does pretty crazy stuff on
17:58right down there on the ground.
17:59>> Yeah.
18:01So we'll get on that one.
18:03Okay. Anybody else have any other
18:06comments or
18:07anything? Let's go on to just briefly
18:10revisit drone activity on the runway.
18:12Safety concerns. We just had
18:14a couple of incidents.
18:16Um I did talk to the guys. They're very
18:18nice.
18:19And they were understanding. They did
18:21take evasive action when they saw that
18:24Saratoga on final.
18:27They did the right thing.
18:28>> Did we find out who the drone is?
18:29>> guy never saw it.
18:30>> Did we find out who the drone is? It
18:32wasn't HLA?
18:33>> Yeah. Well
18:35I talked to a guy who wasn't with HLA.
18:38It was with some other
18:42outfit. I thought it was worked for the
18:44city.
18:45Could it have been related to the
18:46hangar?
18:47>> Mhm.
18:47>> [clears throat]
18:48>> Cuz this was a very large drone. This
18:50drone is over 3 ft this way and about 2
18:52and 1/2 ft this way. It was one of them
18:54eight eight had eight of those rotors.
18:57Okay? It was bigger than a big suitcase.
18:59I mean it's a big boy.
19:01If it had hit that
19:02HLA had had HLA had to say anything up
19:05there?
19:05>> It's not a hobbyist drone. I'm telling
19:06you this is a drone that's it's like
19:08five or ten thousand dollars one of
19:10these
19:10>> And it's no one that contacted them.
19:12>> The only people I know that have this
19:14drone locally
19:15are sprayers. And they're not crop
19:17dusters.
19:18>> Huh.
19:18>> They're they're drone operators. They're
19:20licensed under a separate
19:21>> Yeah.
19:22>> FAA program. By the way, they're banned
19:23from the airport.
19:24>> Mhm.
19:25>> That's one of the things that that that
19:27you know, is in in FAA
19:29regulations about drones.
19:31>> Mhm.
19:31>> There's an exclusion zone. You get to
19:33order them out from the airport. It said
19:34they'll fly so
19:35>> Mhm.
19:36>> And so, whoever it was, whatever they
19:38were doing,
19:39>> [clears throat]
19:40>> if it wasn't work for the city, it's one
19:41of those drone sprayers.
19:43>> Yeah, they wouldn't have.
19:44>> Yeah, we know we know who the local
19:46drone sprayer is though.
19:47>> You might check with uh
19:50with the Perry Tech because there was a
19:52group when it was YVTech and I was
19:54there. There was a group that came into
19:56one of our classrooms and they came all
19:59set up for I mean, they had some big
20:01drones.
20:01>> I told you they're big.
20:02>> Yeah, they're big.
20:03>> This this is not obvious little little
20:05toy.
20:05>> We brought up to them that, you know,
20:06there is an airport right there.
20:08>> Yeah.
20:09>> Oh, we won't be we won't be getting in
20:11the way.
20:11>> So,
20:13I I think
20:14Red 9 will make a phone call and sign
20:17out of this drone operator
20:20is the guy. This guy did sprays with a
20:22drone. Maybe he was testing something. I
20:25don't know. But, he was right at the
20:26intersection of the taxiway and the
20:29runway. And he was about 6 or 8 ft up.
20:31>> Mhm.
20:32>> That's right where the wing is. Okay,
20:34with a low wing airplane. So,
20:36uh or in the case of this low wing,
20:38that's right where his tail is.
20:40>> Mhm.
20:40>> And his tail he has a T-tail. So, all of
20:43his controls are all up on top there.
20:45So,
20:46anyway, we had a second airplane come
20:48just shortly thereafter.
20:50>> Mhm.
20:50>> It was a training plane from Bergstrom.
20:52>> Mhm.
20:53>> And uh
20:54they
20:57they said, "Okay, we didn't read the
20:58note app." There was a note app
21:00published. That's why I thought it was a
21:02city thing. Cuz remember I brought up
21:04that there was a published note app?
21:07So, it could have been that this
21:08independent guy somehow finagled the no
21:11tail
21:13uh from FAA
21:14and didn't go through you.
21:16>> They're not supposed to be on the
21:17airport period.
21:18>> They are Yeah, they're just banned from
21:20airports. You can't
21:20>> No, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
21:21>> use them. So, I don't
21:23I don't understand it but the no tail
21:25was specific.
21:26>> The drone operations.
21:29>> Mhm.
21:29>> That could have been that HLA was
21:31operating over here.
21:34>> No, but did they need to take out their
21:35drone out there?
21:36>> They didn't even do use a drone.
21:37>> Yeah, okay. Well, then it's not them at
21:38all.
21:39>> Mhm.
21:40>> So, it's a mystery. But, we'll probe and
21:42see if someone will admit to it. I don't
21:44know if they would but
21:46>> Okay.
21:47>> It hasn't happened since but it was
21:49>> I was just going to say
21:51if there was a no tail, you could go
21:53back to FAA and find out who posted no
21:56tail and who it was and and contact the
21:59drone owner drone operator.
22:01>> You're right.
22:03Are you going to Spokane, too?
22:06Yeah, end of the week.
22:07>> Yeah, that's the beyond.
22:08>> No.
22:09>> Why don't you bring that up with the
22:11See if you can find out who filed that
22:12no tail.
22:13>> Ren's going to make a trip up there for
22:15some other reason.
22:16So, there's Spokane Evans deal. So,
22:18he'll inquire Ted and find out.
22:21>> What was the date?
22:22>> Yeah, he'd probably do the phone call.
22:25>> It'll be There'll be a record of it.
22:27But, it was in September. It was before
22:29October.
22:30>> This was September September.
22:33>> And you probably know that there's a one
22:35other exception in the region to the
22:37drone rule
22:38and that's in that class D airspace at
22:41Pendleton. Mhm. There are
22:44like six or seven
22:47little drone ports with little paved
22:50taxiways and the military is doing that
22:54stuff. So, they coordinate with the
22:56tower and since that's class D airspace
23:00the FAA will allow it because the tower
23:03is also controlling the drones.
23:06Okay, but on uncontrolled airports
23:07they're just bad. Yeah, and there's a
23:09reason for it.
23:12All right, okay.
23:14On to the next thing.
23:15>> I have a quick question. Are you going
23:17based off of the minutes
23:19or the updated
23:20>> Both.
23:21>> agenda?
23:21>> That's the old agenda. I'm sorry.
23:23>> No, you're fine.
23:26I didn't miss it.
23:28>> What we've got up here
23:29>> All right, yeah.
23:30>> I know, I was like oh, so now we need to
23:33talk about fencing.
23:34>> Yes, our favorite subject.
23:36>> And are we
23:37Are we at
23:38>> Are we at that?
23:39>> Yeah, it's on the first one.
23:40>> Yeah, it's in the first one, not the
23:41second one. I'm sorry.
23:43>> They're kind of like sequential.
23:45>> Yeah, right there. Yeah, it should be
23:46your second page.
23:47>> Page four.
23:48>> There you go.
23:50So, fortunately we have H Ali here to to
23:52talk to us about the fencing budget.
23:57>> Might be four or might be five.
24:00>> The next meeting still table.
24:04>> So, Brad Brad is helping us with our
24:08fencing project. It's Stephanie Harris
24:10who's working with us on that project.
24:14So, we just wanted to give you guys an
24:15update. I will see you guys got the
24:17questions um
24:19about
24:21the fencing.
24:22>> Right.
24:22>> Um
24:24so
24:25we're here they're here to answer any
24:27question that you guys may have.
24:30So, any discussion about it?
24:32>> This was
24:33brought to my attention
24:35today's agenda.
24:36>> So, I have a two questions.
24:38>> I What is our adjusted current timeline?
24:42Is number one. Number two, um
24:46thankfully Miranda put in our agenda to
24:49um have a discussion about where we
24:51should locate the access gates and how
24:53many.
24:54So, that's the second part of my
24:56question. And and that probably covers
24:59most of what the committee is interested
25:00in, but then
25:02any anything else, feel free to
25:04step up.
25:06>> I just kind of a functional question
25:07between Bob's hangar and the hangar Sue
25:10is living in.
25:12I wonder if the fence couldn't be moved
25:15in line with the existing fence line,
25:18which would then put the airport lounge
25:20behind
25:22the fence.
25:23>> Yep.
25:23>> And also the fuel pumps further behind
25:26the fence [snorts]
25:27and kind of prevent [clears throat] that
25:28sort of like
25:30turning into a driveway of stalled
25:31traffic.
25:33>> Mhm.
25:33>> Right. I think that
25:35I understand why it's there as far as
25:37then it's joining in another existing
25:39fence line,
25:40but you've got an existing fence that
25:42comes out towards
25:44a line that's
25:45>> Mhm.
25:46>> perfectly in line with that and
25:47functionally if I think that would be a
25:49lot more useful.
25:50>> Yeah.
25:51>> I was under the impression that it was
25:53going to go south of the lounge, that
25:55corner. So, the north or excuse me, the
25:57southwest corner of Bob's hangar, the
26:00gate would be right there. It would head
26:01south, it'd go across the the fence line
26:04to the [clears throat] alfalfa field and
26:06then all the way down the alfalfa field
26:08to the Owens
26:10and make the jog there.
26:12That's way it's one gate.
26:14>> Right.
26:15>> And it it can be set up just like
26:16Hermiston where
26:18if I'm coming to visit I'm somebody I'm
26:20coming to visit
26:22Sue or whoever,
26:24it's their phone number, the last four
26:25digits of their phone number, the last
26:26four digits of his phone number, and
26:28that's how the law is kept there at
26:29Hermiston. And then there's also a
26:31camera that when you go through there
26:33>> Get your license plate.
26:34>> takes it takes your license plate and
26:36the driver.
26:36>> Mhm.
26:37>> And the reason I say that is because of
26:38all the trucks got to come in and
26:40service me,
26:41>> Mhm.
26:41>> all the vendors stuff, they got to use
26:42my number.
26:43>> Mhm.
26:44>> And so they punch in that number
26:47>> [clears throat]
26:47>> and they go through there.
26:48>> already got the phone.
26:48>> Yeah. So, but putting that fence
26:51along the alfalfa or you got to figure
26:53out cuz there's also fire hydrants along
26:56there. You got to get on the other side
26:58of the fire hydrant. So the guy farming
27:00has got to lose a little bit of ground
27:02there, I'm guessing. And that fence just
27:03makes a straight shot over down to
27:05Yorn's, turns, and then catches that
27:07next gate.
27:08>> The only issue from the farmer's
27:10perspective is how is his irrigation
27:13laid out?
27:14>> So that's his buried underground. That's
27:16not right.
27:17>> Yeah.
27:19>> That's what
27:20>> They cut that asphalt in front of your
27:21house.
27:22That's what we wanted to see.
27:23>> So go go over
27:25please and then it goes east and west.
27:30>> Cuz you guys got all that fencing in
27:31between all those buildings.
27:33>> Mhm. It's already there.
27:38>> You
27:39You got to You're going to put a fence
27:40across that lot into my hangar.
27:43And then you got to put another fence
27:45there and from my fence to Bonnie's
27:48hangar, or not Bonnie's but to Ted's
27:49hangar.
27:51And then you got another fence to go
27:52from
27:54where Stu's at over to Bob's hangar.
27:57That's where the gate will be. And then
27:58you got to do something to the Quonset
28:00hut. Mhm. Of
28:02skill ports.
28:02>> So if we go
28:04like you said, just from Bob's
28:08>> And shout shout out corner. Put the gate
28:10in there.
28:11And then all the way down past Yorn's.
28:14I drew I drew a path.
28:15>> Yeah.
28:18>> So
28:20So
28:23I don't disagree with you.
28:26What we will have to ask is so this this
28:30sketch is based on what's on the ALP.
28:33And I know with the T hangar when we
28:36tried to move the T hangar, the FAA said
28:40no, you need to put it exactly where it
28:42is on the ALP. So
28:45>> We did that on the ALP. We adjusted
28:47that. That's your blue.
28:49>> Mhm.
28:50>> Let's check that.
28:52Cuz we had a long discussion about
28:54>> all that.
28:55>> We did. Like last year.
28:56>> Like 2 years ago.
28:58>> Years ago.
28:58>> And a little bit last year.
29:00Um
29:02cuz you've got If you do it like you're
29:03you guys are proposing, you got a mess.
29:05>> Yeah, it it
29:07>> In and out.
29:08>> I don't disagree with you.
29:10Um
29:10>> Okay, you you're cutting off Yorn on his
29:12lot cuz he stacks his toads and stuff
29:14back there. He no longer has
29:17So you got to put a gate That would be a
29:18mess the way you guys did it or the way
29:20it's drawn up.
29:21>> Right. Okay.
29:23Um I will have to
29:27>> That cuts off any of that traffic coming
29:30up the runway with the tractors going
29:32off the taxiway and then going through
29:35Tyler's place and then going over to
29:37that other piece of property. That needs
29:39to be cut off anyway.
29:40>> Are you wanting those fire hydrants cuz
29:42I know there's a hydrant at least right
29:44there. Are you wanting that inside of
29:45the fence or outside of the fence or do
29:48you need to have it separate?
29:50>> Well, if it's inside, you don't have to
29:51mess with it, but if it's outside, then
29:52you got to put a gate there so that the
29:55the city can Yeah, and the city can
29:57access that fire hydrant, which
29:58>> I I would rather it just put them in
30:01inside of the fence.
30:02>> That's Yorn's ground, right?
30:03>> Mhm.
30:04>> Yeah, so it shouldn't be an issue.
30:06>> Yeah.
30:07See, I'm concerned about is that the
30:09underground pressurized irrigation
30:11systems.
30:12I I don't want to when I'm drilling for
30:14fence posts, so I don't want to drill
30:15through his 3-in line.
30:17Yeah, so we should explore that a little
30:20bit. And I would just go out there with
30:22uh the locate guys
30:24>> We have
30:25>> and or the farmer.
30:26>> Okay. Do you have contact information
30:29for the farmers?
30:31>> He has the contact info.
30:32>> Okay, that you can get to us. We we do
30:35have a private locate company that is
30:37going to come out and locate all the
30:39utilities.
30:41>> Good the just because some things are
30:43not known.
30:44>> Yes.
30:44>> And then they're
30:45>> And and when we do locate, they only do
30:47it in the right way. So, everything is
30:49like up in here and I mean, we can
30:51obviously see what's above ground, you
30:54know, we know there are weir boxes up
30:55here and stuff and standpipes, but where
30:58everything is underground
31:01>> Yeah, but we kind of know where the
31:02water
31:03cuz they had to they put in a new runway
31:05and then they had to trench across to
31:07fix that, which was a problem. If we
31:09don't then we have a problem like
31:11Prosser.
31:12>> Mhm.
31:12>> They got 50 gates and they're always
31:14>> want You don't want that.
31:16>> They're always open.
31:17>> Yeah.
31:18>> You probably have sensors you can send
31:20down the pipe and locate exactly above
31:22it.
31:24>> Mhm.
31:25>> That is definitely done. That whole
31:27system on that side of the south side of
31:30this the road going into the airport
31:33it's got issues. I mean, it's time for
31:35it to be dug up and and replaced anyway.
31:38>> That's the time to go by.
31:42We just did a
31:44a lot of dirt on the side of the hill
31:46and
31:46so we find everybody's
31:49putting their own
31:50sewer one of the ones to me.
31:53>> Yeah.
31:55>> And it's not a big surprise. It's more
31:56than that.
31:56>> Well, so so this phase is that part
32:00right there is going to have to be well,
32:02just because of the whole
32:04Department of Ecology
32:06you know, I'm still digging got to find
32:08money to get all that taken care of.
32:10So, that that's going to be my last
32:11phase.
32:12>> I understand it. Yeah, I understand it.
32:14>> Yeah, that's phase three.
32:14>> Even though in a practical sense that
32:16>> Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes.
32:18>> We understand it.
32:19>> So, just to give you a I'm just being up
32:21up front, you know, to let you guys know
32:23I got I got to I got one more bigger
32:25problem before I can start this whole
32:27that part of the fence.
32:28>> Three has got to be done be-
32:30Three has got to be done first, right?
32:32>> Three needs to get all that dirt behind
32:34your place taken care of.
32:36>> That's number one.
32:36>> That's num- that's number one. That
32:38means you get it done there.
32:39>> And then num and it it says phase three,
32:41but it's actually phase one A
32:44or phase one, and then phase two is the
32:46fencing at the south side of everything.
32:49>> Correct?
32:50>> Correct.
32:51>> Okay.
32:52So, phase one is going to be the last to
32:54be done?
32:55>> First.
32:56That's what I have in my head, yeah.
32:58We ideally we had
33:00>> One gate. Three is actually the
33:01>> two primary gates. You know, one to
33:03service this side of the airport, one to
33:05service sort of the the you know, the
33:07center of the airport.
33:09>> Probably the center of the airport.
33:10>> Yeah.
33:10>> So, I'd like to have a gate coming in
33:12here
33:13and and get to the T hangars. And then
33:16the T hangars is I I have an idea. I
33:18went over this
33:19>> last time.
33:19>> T hangars right here. So, we don't know
33:20who's driving what. Main gate.
33:22>> Phase one is going to be covered in back
33:23way.
33:24>> Yeah, this is the busy part of the
33:26airport.
33:26>> Mhm.
33:27>> So, the FAA has a little symbol that
33:29they put there. That's where accidents
33:31are likely to happen cuz it's people are
33:33coming in to get fuel and then
33:35departing.
33:36>> Mhm.
33:36>> And then people are wanting to come in
33:37and get fuel. So, that's the busy It's
33:39called a hot spot.
33:40>> Okay.
33:40>> That's the the busy corner. So, if we
33:42can divert traffic
33:44away from this main gate and put some of
33:47that traffic here,
33:48>> Okay.
33:49>> from a safety perspective, it just makes
33:50sense.
33:52>> So, you're talking around around
33:54>> Yep. Just just Just right on the south
33:56side of your fence.
33:57>> Mhm.
33:58>> You know, give us a like a 25-ft
34:00right-of-way
34:02and you know, maybe a 20-ft gate.
34:05>> Mhm.
34:05>> And uh just you know, it's a be a little
34:08L just around you and then that would be
34:10come out right just to the side of that
34:12T hangar.
34:13>> Yeah.
34:14>> So, the T hangar people there's five
34:16hangars be there
34:17>> Mhm.
34:17>> and then there's four in this building
34:19and four in that building.
34:20>> Yeah.
34:21>> So, that's you're taking a lot of the
34:23airplane vehicular side traffic out of
34:26that main gate, which is near where the
34:28fuel is.
34:29>> Except.
34:33>> Oh, yeah.
34:34I'm not used to with the
34:37>> So,
34:39two main gates, basically.
34:40>> Yeah. I thought this was We set this up
34:42to go to the corner and then up, not of
34:45this.
34:46>> So,
34:47that is that was more updated on the ALP
34:51cuz the original one did show that
34:52diagonal. And then when the ALP got
34:54updated, it got updated to that.
34:56>> That was not supposed to happen that
34:58way. We sat here and hashed that out
35:00over and over last 2 or 3 years. That
35:02was supposed to come down here and then
35:04turn and go this way because now you're
35:06cutting off all this for a future.
35:10>> We talked about
35:10>> Yeah, see
35:13If if you do this, the farmer didn't
35:15want to come for that 3 acres. It's not
35:17going to get farmed. So, it's not going
35:18to get farmed. So, let's use it for the
35:20airport for future expansion. And that
35:23might be where we end up putting the
35:25heliport.
35:26Because
35:27>> Do you guys want to go like this?
35:29>> Yeah, exactly.
35:30>> That's the way it was. That's what we
35:32That was the final right there.
35:34>> That's it.
35:35>> On the ALP how long ago because No, it's
35:37like 18 or 24 months ago.
35:40>> It's been a while.
35:40>> The last updated ALP I think the
35:43>> The actual the last one that sent
35:45Century West to the A did it.
35:48And that's
35:48>> 2020
35:49>> What you have
35:51>> So, the 2022 is what when it got redone
35:54for the ALP.
35:55>> No, 2024. It's 2024.
35:57>> 2024?
35:58>> There you go. That makes sense. Okay.
35:59>> 2024 when it got redone. Yep. So, this
36:02is the way they had proposed it.
36:04>> Absolutely.
36:05>> So, if I need to that's the that's the
36:07problem now. Now that I'm going back to
36:09the Angus, there's there's going to be
36:11some problems because she's going to say
36:12it's not
36:14>> She can chew on that as much as she
36:16wants. That that's 20 years down the
36:18road or 15 years down the road.
36:21She won't be around.
36:22>> It'll be handed off to somebody else.
36:24>> Yeah, but if that's what we ended up
36:26with because we were like, "Why are we
36:27doing this? Why are we Why don't we use
36:28this whole piece? It belongs to the
36:30city.
36:32>> Okay.
36:33>> Yeah, and you know, if you want to
36:34expand hangars, you want to expand
36:35parking, if you want to make a dedicated
36:37heliport for the better back
36:39people, that's the perfect location. And
36:42it's a match to that other gate.
36:45So, it just all comes close together
36:47there. Makes us a lot of sense.
36:50But you know, I'm telling you, we're
36:51averaging three better back flights a
36:54day over the last 30 days.
36:56I've been keeping it running.
36:58>> It'll give you a lot of room down there.
37:01>> Yeah, and it takes it
37:03away from You know, if you're going to
37:05have an accident, don't have it where
37:06you have 10,000 aviation people.
37:09Okay? Have it over there in that corner.
37:11That's the plane measurement line.
37:15>> All of this is the
37:18>> Let's see that.
37:20Yeah.
37:21What
37:22the city is getting.
37:23>> Yeah, that's a whole different picture.
37:26>> That's both of we
37:28That is still one.
37:29>> Yeah.
37:32>> Before we leave the gate subject, how
37:34about how about man gates, pedestrian
37:36gates?
37:38>> We've got one there.
37:39>> Right there as well.
37:40>> There is one between the last two
37:42hangars, but it's locked. And it's
37:45padlocked. It's not combo locked.
37:47I don't have a key. I know the city
37:49does.
37:50It would be perfect for me,
37:51>> But to any deliveries
37:53>> It's never It's never been used. The
37:55reason I haven't used it is I usually
37:57have stuff in my car. I need to put in
37:59my airplane.
38:00And I don't want to carry my car in over
38:02there.
38:04Driving around the whole way.
38:07>> ground up.
38:09>> So, if there's if there's some
38:11ideas on on having additional other than
38:14what's already there for some man gates,
38:16then we're open to hearing that as well.
38:20>> Uh
38:22>> If you don't have that's okay, too.
38:24>> Hermiston has
38:26a code gate close to the big gate. Is
38:29that if you're just walking through?
38:31Um if not, then you got to go through
38:33the aerial applicators hangars.
38:35>> There Hermiston can't enter to get out
38:37there.
38:38>> Yeah, you don't allow that. But there is
38:40a
38:41punch gate punch code vehicle.
38:43There right beside of the gate.
38:45>> Is that just for TSA?
38:47>> Yes, yeah. If you're just If If you park
38:50your plane there for the night, you went
38:52to the hotel, and you came back, that's
38:53the gate you would use.
38:56>> Okay.
39:00You know, I discovered at age 70 I'm not
39:02athletic enough to go over an 8-ft fence
39:04with razor on top. I got locked out. The
39:06combo lock wasn't working in in uh
39:10uh
39:11I was going to say bigger It wasn't a
39:12bigger city, but it was down that way.
39:15And I sent a nasty gram to the city
39:18manager because I looked up his cell
39:20number, and he didn't answer. It was a
39:22Saturday.
39:23And so, I just had to wait there until
39:26somebody came from the other direction
39:29and opened the gate for me.
39:32Yeah, I got locked out one other time.
39:34And I just The guy with me
39:36apparently a former professional burglar
39:38cuz he said, "Turn around." I turned
39:40around. Click click click. Gate was
39:41open. I went, "What'd you do?" He said,
39:42"Like, trade secret.
39:44Can't tell you."
39:46>> See, he's a locksmith.
39:48>> I took one core key.
39:50He had some kind of a something that It
39:52It didn't take him but 5 seconds.
39:54>> Do you need a walk-through gate on the
39:56south
39:57south of of the well?
39:59Also, you got a big gate, and then do
40:01you need a walk-through gate there, too,
40:02or just a big gate?
40:05The one you just drew in on that.
40:07>> What's the reason for the jog where you
40:09just drew it in?
40:09>> The fence line
40:10>> The farmer was close to the line.
40:12>> is
40:13>> Oh, closer to the fence line.
40:15>> Right.
40:15>> That's where the jog is.
40:16>> They're going to put one there,
40:17>> But I'm not just going to put one there.
40:18I'm going to put another one there.
40:20>> This is maybe
40:21>> This is all city property.
40:23>> Or the people that own it.
40:23>> Just follow the line of
40:25>> It takes all that traffic right smack
40:26right past that.
40:28>> But it killed us.
40:30>> That's what
40:30>> This is This is ideal for a little
40:32airport.
40:33>> be considered
40:34>> She needs that.
40:35>> Yeah, that's right.
40:36>> No, no, no.
40:37>> Yeah, we need to get the letters back.
40:38>> Yeah, please.
40:39>> Yeah.
40:39>> That would go right in here.
40:41>> This is what yours put in.
40:42>> You got yours?
40:43>> Yeah, you guys are
40:43>> Well, that's yours.
40:44>> No, this is mine. This is the one I drew
40:46up. You just wrote up.
40:47>> Is this yours?
40:49>> No, yours is
40:49>> You have one under here. You was writing
40:52on that one. You can keep that one if
40:53you would like. I can draw
40:55>> You can get out of your map and I can
40:56redraw it.
40:57>> Not at all.
40:59>> That's okay. I can draw it on the
41:00computer.
41:03>> Yeah.
41:03>> Okay.
41:04>> Now, everything makes sense like that.
41:07Well, that would be
41:09>> So,
41:10I let me look here.
41:19So,
41:20>> This is what we're talking about.
41:22>> So, this line here, this is the This was
41:25January 2024, the airport layout plan.
41:28>> There you go.
41:29>> This is the fence line and it goes here,
41:32here, down here, and then kind of
41:34actually jogs between these.
41:36>> It's definitely not
41:37our property.
41:41That doesn't matter to me, but this is
41:42the concept. We're just talking about
41:45doing it.
41:46We'll do it like that, the blue line.
41:48>> Yeah, this is the boundary line. So,
41:50following along this is what you're
41:52wanting
41:53>> Yeah, and then and then stay to the
41:55north of the the drain ditch out to the
41:57road and then up to the well. There's
41:59probably an easement here for that
42:00drainage canal, too. So, you
42:01>> I'm sure there is.
42:03>> There's like a 20-ft drainage canal
42:04easement.
42:05>> Yeah.
42:10>> We had some stump in the triangle
42:11before.
42:13>> And I have seen that, but I think it was
42:15older than this document.
42:18>> That one was done when Century West did
42:21the LP.
42:22>> Okay.
42:26How was that?
42:27>> This is January 2024. Is that when this
42:30was signed?
42:31>> Yeah, it was.
42:33>> Yeah.
42:34>> So, actually in our in our dreams,
42:38we'd like to extend this another
42:402 or 300 ft.
42:42>> Why didn't they do that?
42:44>> We can't go the other way because it's
42:45241, but we'd like another 2 or 300 ft
42:47of
42:47>> All the way to railroad?
42:49Hm? To rate?
42:51>> Of of railroad?
42:52>> just on the main runway and the taxiway.
42:54Just
42:54>> Oh. Oh.
42:55>> to go another 250 or 300 ft
42:57>> We can't
42:58>> east.
42:58>> We can't do that. If we do, then we got
43:01to displace or
43:02>> The power poles.
43:03>> Well, the power poles and then on the
43:05west end, we have to move the runway. It
43:08still stays the same length. It's just
43:09got to be moved to the east.
43:11>> Yeah, I understand.
43:12>> we can't use that displaced
43:14area was we displaced It'd be like
43:16processors to
43:17>> Fortunately, we only have to put 200 ft
43:20or so stuff underground. That's cheap
43:24in in real terms.
43:26And they How many of those trees have
43:28come down?
43:29>> All of them.
43:30>> All? Cuz they There used to be some real
43:33>> big Yeah, he told me that
43:34>> Particularly at night when you're making
43:35a low approach at night.
43:37Um
43:38>> Cuz one of you guys cut your wheels, I
43:40thought.
43:40>> Yeah, there's no green.
43:42No leaves there.
43:43>> Now the power line is still there.
43:44>> Yeah. Yeah.
43:46>> And I'm working on that to get them
43:47either
43:48>> Move back
43:49>> Move No, put in the ground or putting
43:52those orange balls on them.
43:53>> Yeah, I just want to put it under the
43:55ground cuz that would allow us even with
43:57the displacement to go
43:59Yeah, 250 300 ft.
44:01Give us what we need.
44:02>> The the FA won't let us do that. They
44:05They us to move the whole runway to the
44:06east. Keep it 3,400 ft, but it's got to
44:08move to the east. We went through We
44:10went over and over and over that.
44:11>> So, I have a client that has a business
44:13jet.
44:14And he's
44:15looked at coming in several times and
44:16not done it.
44:18>> So, we get the small layers, small
44:20citations that come in there.
44:22Um but they've got to be on it.
44:25To get stopped.
44:26>> It's You know, the turbo props can get
44:28in and out without any problem. The PC
44:31uh you know,
44:3312s they're
44:34That's the standard U Dub Medevac
44:36airplane.
44:37And the King Airs uh particularly the
44:40200 series
44:42They They've got reversing props and
44:44gearboxes. They can stop on a dime.
44:47So, it's not an issue for them. They got
44:49a lot of power for taking off and
44:51it's the jets.
44:52The jets use a shallower angle of
44:54approach when they come in at a higher
44:56speed.
44:58And they need more runway.
45:00Or they burn their brakes up.
45:01>> Yeah. Unfortunately, that's that's where
45:03we're at with that.
45:05>> They couldn't They would not let us
45:06extend out.
45:08And keep the same
45:10west end.
45:10>> But why can't we put the helipad out
45:13there?
45:14>> Well, we could, but I think the logical
45:16place to put it is right here in the
45:18triangle.
45:19>> No, I understand the triangle. It would
45:21be great, but I'm just saying if we have
45:23our 15 our T hangers the way they are
45:26there
45:27>> Just this one.
45:28>> Which is that one.
45:30Instead of being close to the runway,
45:33why wouldn't we
45:35>> Where you were going to put the hanger
45:37is where we originally had the helipads.
45:40>> Yeah.
45:41>> Right here in that that cutout. But it's
45:43not I don't think it's on there.
45:46I don't know where that came from cuz I
45:47I I remember going over and over and
45:49over it.
45:50>> And this is what we got from Century
45:51West.
45:51>> Dave, that's not right.
45:54>> Well, there there are alternatives
45:56too that are in the the that are in the
45:58ALP alternatives.
46:00>> There are three There are three
46:02three plans?
46:03>> Yeah, something like that.
46:04>> Correct me if I'm wrong.
46:06>> So, the one of the alternatives may
46:08reflect what you're what you're
46:10recalling. I don't I don't know exactly.
46:12We'd have to share share with you.
46:14>> That is not what we all sat here and
46:16approved.
46:19Cuz that
46:20we were talking about the fence, we were
46:22talking about the helipads.
46:24And that is not it.
46:26>> Okay.
46:27Um
46:28for the for the sake of the of the
46:29fencing,
46:31um so we can continue this. Do Can we
46:34come back and talk about the the overall
46:36general layout and stuff at at another
46:38time?
46:41>> And then I'm I'm
46:42>> What's going to happen
46:45with Agnes on this hangar right now if
46:48we
46:52>> I had to do a lot of smooth talking
46:55right now just to get this T-hangar
46:56going. That's my thing. So, it's going
46:58to go now. I saw them out there.
46:59>> Yeah.
47:00Well, we agreed on the culture survey.
47:02>> Which they were doing today.
47:03>> Today.
47:04Um once this gets completed
47:08and me talking more with Agnes
47:10>> I would
47:11do that and then approach go back and
47:13say, "Hey, this this we should have
47:15did this."
47:16>> And then I totally understand where
47:17you're coming from and I can and it's
47:19going to take me a lot of smooth
47:20talking.
47:21>> I I know. I wouldn't say anything. I'd
47:23get the hangar going and get it done.
47:24>> No, I plan to do that. I plan to do
47:26that. I've I've got
47:27>> I got some nice knee pads. I'll I'll
47:28loan them to you.
47:29>> I appreciate that, bro, [laughter] but
47:32trust me.
47:33>> The Lord knows when you get down on his
47:34knees, that's hard on him, you know.
47:36What's bad for the elk?
47:37>> When is that supposed to
47:39>> So, as soon as my as soon as these the
47:40culture
47:42survey gets done
47:43and she gets that back
47:46we're going.
47:46>> You're talking about the archaeological
47:47finds?
47:48>> Yes.
47:49>> Okay.
47:49>> That's the only thing that's holding us
47:50up right now.
47:51>> That's
47:52>> And that's because
47:54Yeah, that's a the that's a whole
47:55discussion that we can discuss later,
47:57but for right now
47:59>> The plan's been submitted and all that.
48:01You got your You guys We got our own
48:02plan.
48:03>> are in and every
48:05All the red line has been demolished. We
48:08are going back to your original ALP.
48:11And what you gave this culture
48:13>> Is that just the Alamos?
48:16>> Yes.
48:16>> So, that's all we have to include.
48:18>> That's it.
48:18>> Okay.
48:21>> So, once we're once we're done with that
48:23the ball rolls they get it up we look
48:26for some money for some asphalt so we
48:28can get asphalt out there around those
48:30T-hangars. I've already think I have
48:32even one already one that I rented out
48:34one hangar already. I just need to
48:36follow up and get some uh
48:38>> I have some additional leads on people
48:40asking How much is it going to be?
48:42>> Well, that's what I got to find cuz I
48:43got to call fellow cuz you said call
48:45fellow.
48:45>> Yep.
48:46>> Goldendale was the other one that had
48:48the same same design.
48:50Um and I thought it was Hermiston you
48:53had said.
48:55>> Hermiston would be good.
48:56>> Hermiston, yeah. So, it's Othello,
48:58Goldendale, Hermiston to get their
49:00lease. Um
49:01>> So, that That's That's kind of a nice
49:03little triangle. So, that
49:08Did uh
49:09Colfax get a hold of you?
49:11>> No.
49:11>> What county is that?
49:13>> What
49:13>> Is that Whitman?
49:14Whitman.
49:15>> Whitman County.
49:16>> Those T-hangars
49:19are right now they're all their
49:21T-hangars are I think they're
49:23200 or 250 a month.
49:26That's below market rate currently. Let
49:28me just tell you cuz they were talking
49:30She was talking to me about they're
49:31going to build some new ones this June.
49:35But I don't know what that was.
49:36>> Okay.
49:38Then maybe I will try to reach out to
49:39Colfax to
49:40>> They've talked to somebody.
49:42>> They talked to me earlier, but it was on
49:44the the vehicle.
49:47>> Oh, okay.
49:48>> Yes.
49:49>> Okay.
49:50>> Yeah.
49:52So, I will contact fellow Hermiston and
49:54probably Colfax and see see if their
49:56rates have changed.
49:58And then
49:59cuz I need to find out about the T
50:01hangers and the landing rates.
50:04Do we even have landing rates?
50:06>> No.
50:06>> No.
50:07>> We don't. That That's a hotly debated
50:10issue.
50:11Um
50:12there's literally out of the
50:15eight or 10,000 airports in the US, I
50:17only know of three
50:19and that are charging GA and they're
50:22[clears throat] they're
50:24being litigated all three of them.
50:26>> Okay.
50:27Well, it's good to know cuz then I don't
50:28have That's one thing off my plate.
50:30>> Yeah. Yeah, [clears throat] and you
50:32know,
50:33of the few of the few airports that sort
50:35of do have some fees
50:37>> Mhm.
50:37>> everything below 12,500 lb in the
50:39category one under FAA is exempt.
50:42>> Okay.
50:42>> They're only hitting the big boys.
50:44>> Okay.
50:45So
50:45>> And I would exempt them because they're
50:47all Medevacs.
50:49>> Mhm.
50:49>> So, why would we hit them? You know,
50:51they're providing community service and
50:53saving lives.
50:54>> Yeah.
50:55>> So All right. I know
50:57um
50:58now we'll continue then we'll follow
51:00back on that plan.
51:00>> Yeah. Okay.
51:02Does anybody have anything further on
51:03fencing or can we move on to uh the
51:06other items on the agenda?
51:08>> Well, there's some questions. We have a
51:10a representative here and now's the
51:11time.
51:13>> So, there were there were two things
51:14that that
51:16um one I heard as it started was the
51:19timing of the construction. Do we Do we
51:21want to talk about that at all?
51:23>> No.
51:24>> No?
51:25>> [laughter]
51:26>> Just do it.
51:27>> Yeah.
51:28>> We'll get it done as soon as the FAA
51:29gives us the go-ahead to do it.
51:31>> That's
51:31>> End of discussion.
51:33>> What do we have to do What do we have to
51:34do with the hole they dug? What are we
51:37going to do there?
51:39With with the hole they dug?
51:41>> Yeah, where they were going to put it.
51:43>> No, it's a
51:44The T hanger is filled up.
51:46They haven't dug any holes yet.
51:47>> No, I know. What are they going to do
51:48with the old holes?
51:50Because the teenager is not going there.
51:52Right?
51:52>> Did they Did they put a hole?
51:54>> Yeah, it's about that deep.
51:56>> Well, they're going to have to cover it.
51:57>> Okay.
51:57>> The The The Mountain State Mountain
51:59State will have to cover that. Then
52:02they'll they'll go back to the original
52:03area again.
52:04So, I will make follow up with that with
52:06that
52:06>> It's about 18 in deep.
52:08>> Okay.
52:09I'll follow up with that.
52:11So, that that needs to get covered.
52:13So.
52:15>> I think they compacted it, didn't they?
52:17>> So, I mean, to summarize, I think the
52:19the one thing we talked about was moving
52:21that main gate fence line
52:24>> Mhm.
52:24>> to the [clears throat] other side of the
52:25road.
52:26And other than that, just making that
52:29angular bisection into a triangle.
52:32And that's Is there Is there more than
52:34that? That That was
52:35>> Yeah, the only third point is that
52:37second gate being up against the well.
52:40>> Right.
52:40>> Okay.
52:41>> So, I think there's three things.
52:42>> The two gates are
52:44all you guys buying necessary is just
52:46those two gates?
52:47>> Walk-through gate at Bob's hangar.
52:50For sure.
52:50>> Yeah, we need a walk-through gate there.
52:52And then the other is not going to that
52:55triangle area is not going to be
52:59won't be There won't be people coming to
53:01visit or whatever parking down there.
53:03>> Mhm.
53:05>> Uh
53:06>> So, just a like 20 ft
53:08>> Yeah, I don't
53:10agree.
53:12Walk-through gate there below south of
53:13the well.
53:15What is that service for?
53:17That's my point.
53:19>> You know, they're going to park outside
53:20on the street and
53:22>> Parking basically is on the south side
53:23of Bob's
53:23>> Yeah, we got that whole area to park.
53:25>> There's lots of parking there.
53:26>> Right. So, why would you
53:27>> We don't need extra parking.
53:28>> Why would you want a pedestrian gate?
53:30That's my question.
53:30>> Well, there is that one
53:31>> I could see putting a car gate there
53:32because that would be Yeah, you could
53:34split the traffic.
53:35But,
53:36I think that
53:37>> Well, that'll be the entrance for the uh
53:40the guy.
53:41For
53:42Air National That's good.
53:45>> So, I think the simpler we keep it the
53:47>> You got your notes all in order? So, you
53:49know you're Okay, thank you.
53:50>> Can I know that this is for sure?
53:51>> coming, also. It's super helpful to have
53:54you here.
53:55>> The one
53:56>> Brad? One more question. So, on is there
53:59a gate on the north side which segues
54:01into my next question of on for what
54:04gets farmed currently
54:06almost looks like up to the runway. Is
54:08that going to allow to still continue to
54:10be farmed after the fencing is up? Do we
54:12Do we need that? Is there access needed
54:14for somebody to come in from the north
54:16and farm that?
54:17>> I don't think we need to farm that that
54:19strip.
54:20>> Okay.
54:22>> I don't.
54:24I mean, we do need a a man gate for
54:26service
54:27where the ASOS is. So, right. Well,
54:30actually inside the gate, I think.
54:31>> Yeah, inside the
54:32>> Yeah, the gate's already there.
54:34>> But that Yeah, but they the
54:36the long gated gate's going to be on the
54:38opposite side of
54:39>> Yeah, the dog run. We have this facility
54:41and this facility. The ASOS is here,
54:43right? And then the windsock is here.
54:48So, the ASOS is outside but it's already
54:50It's already fenced.
54:52>> Correct.
54:52>> Yeah.
54:53>> So.
54:55>> So, you don't
54:55>> And there's an access road, yes.
54:56>> There's an access road and this this
54:58fence will go south of that access road.
55:00>> Okay.
55:02>> So, do you need
55:05Well, you'll still have access so you
55:06don't need to go through the
55:07>> question. That's city service again. So.
55:10Do you want a man gate where the ASOS is
55:12or do you want to just access it
55:14>> We'll just access it all.
55:14>> from the north.
55:15>> Yeah.
55:15>> All right. So, we don't need a gate
55:17there.
55:17>> Yep.
55:18>> Okay, so the no the no farming equipment
55:21from anybody else will get will get
55:24beyond that fence. It's just whatever's
55:26there now is not going to be farmed
55:27anymore
55:28inside the
55:29>> That's going to save some money because
55:30that's just a straight run of fencing.
55:32>> Yeah.
55:33>> And
55:34you know, it's easier to build, and
55:35quicker.
55:36>> And it is a airport, not a farm.
55:38>> I agree with that. That's why I want the
55:40confirmation. I agree with you 100%.
55:42>> Right.
55:43>> Is this a Is this city or is this port?
55:47City.
55:48>> That's owned by the port currently.
55:51>> What part of the What part were you
55:52pointing at?
55:53>> On the part he's he's saying east of the
55:55runway.
55:56>> Yeah, yeah. Yep. Port, yep.
55:58>> So you're just going to eliminate the
55:59lease on that?
56:01If that's all fenced.
56:02>> No, we're going to have to.
56:04Because this is all all fenced in.
56:07Sorry, I didn't say zero. Where you at?
56:09>> That's where he's saying out.
56:13>> So my other question is along this north
56:16property line, there are standpipes and
56:19weir boxes and I assume the farmers use
56:21those to irrigate.
56:22>> They do.
56:23>> Do you want those inside the fence,
56:26outside of the fence?
56:27>> Outside the fence. They've got to all be
56:29outside the fence because we're
56:30excluding farmers.
56:32>> Okay.
56:32>> From for security purposes.
56:35>> Okay.
56:35>> Cuz farmers have a lot of part-time
56:37workers.
56:39Okay, you know what
56:40>> Yeah, that main line.
56:41>> Yeah, we we just can't have loose
56:43>> Okay.
56:44>> ball bearings rolling around.
56:45>> Cuz that kind of affects where we put
56:47the fence.
56:48>> More lights.
56:49They like break them all up.
56:53Yeah.
56:53>> Does that mean he's going to curve?
56:56>> Uh on this little piece here
56:58>> Mhm.
56:58>> where the south alpha is currently.
57:00>> Mhm.
57:01>> He's going to have to move that stuff in
57:03I don't know 5 6 ft.
57:05>> Right ahead and blaze right through it.
57:06>> But it's a relatively short run. It's
57:08it's only a down 2 ft.
57:09>> Mhm.
57:10>> So it won't be a huge thing. The power
57:13is there.
57:14It So
57:16we'll have to build a little thing that
57:18runs his power will have to run
57:20underground for 6 or 8 ft and then pop
57:23up for his pump cuz he's got a pump sits
57:27right here.
57:27>> Okay.
57:28>> And that's him done.
57:28>> Is that not ours?
57:29>> Yeah, that's all over hearing. Yeah,
57:31yeah.
57:32>> Okay.
57:35Do you have a question, Brad?
57:36>> No, no, no question. I was just The last
57:38comment is then I'm I'm assuming we'll
57:40have to have some outreach or somebody
57:42what I don't know who the somebody is.
57:43Maybe it's us, maybe it's the port.
57:45Whomever to those folks that farm it now
57:47to say this was your last This was your
57:49last season. Once this thing gets put
57:52up, you can't get in.
57:54>> Yeah, it's going to be the port cuz
57:56that's the one who leases it from him.
57:59>> Okay.
58:00>> Cuz they don't they don't lease our It's
58:01not our property.
58:03So.
58:04>> What about this north property cuz this
58:06This right here is city-owned property.
58:09That fence line is going along the
58:11property line.
58:12>> Well, that that person, as you call the
58:14chicken man,
58:16doesn't
58:18He doesn't listen to us anyway. We told
58:20him not to put water on our hay lots and
58:23he puts water on anyway. We can send him
58:25letters.
58:26>> Well, he actually got water in the the
58:28asphalt.
58:28>> Yeah, see?
58:29>> Yeah, the main runway that's
58:31You know, we've asked him We've asked
58:33him nicely how many times?
58:34>> This is all city property over there.
58:36>> Um the big yellow building
58:37>> This property is port property. This
58:40parcel here is All of this is city
58:42property. This is all the This is all
58:44the same parcel right here.
58:45>> That That space here
58:48That's That's port.
58:51>> I don't remember on this.
58:53>> No, that's city.
58:54This is port over here.
58:55>> This one on the far east side is
58:57>> Yeah, that person, yeah. Yeah, alfalfa
58:59fields this.
59:00>> And I thought right there where it
59:02jumps, I thought that was port also.
59:05I could be wrong.
59:09Well, I can tell you in just a second.
59:10>> I was going to say I can.
59:12>> If you If you pull up the city map
59:13>> software on that, so
59:15>> Yeah, if you pull up the city map, the
59:16Yakima thing, Stephanie, it's got good
59:19boundary lines on it.
59:21But that's all I need to I don't have
59:23any other more com- comments or
59:24questions. I I all of your time. Um
59:26thank you very much for so we can If you
59:28want to move on, we can move on.
59:36>> Dude, what's our next item?
59:39>> So, actually this shows as uh City of
59:41Sunnyside. And all of
59:43>> Okay, that parcel
59:44>> That parcel that we would 45 that city.
59:46>> Okay.
59:47>> Okay.
59:47>> Okay.
59:52And that goes all the way to the north.
59:55And then you can see where the port
59:56parcel is. This this little about that
59:58of the city of Sunnyside.
59:59>> It's the port.
1:00:00>> That's this piece right there.
1:00:02And then
1:00:04So, that fence line is drawn essentially
1:00:06on the property boundary.
1:00:09You're right, it's all one parcel.
1:00:11>> The original plan was to offset it by a
1:00:12foot or two from the um
1:00:15property line.
1:00:16>> Yeah.
1:00:16>> It'll probably be a little bit more than
1:00:18that to ensure those weir boxes are on
1:00:20the outside of the fence because
1:00:23those are kind of right on the top
1:00:25property line. They They range well in
1:00:27what they are, I think.
1:00:29>> They moved it.
1:00:30Does SCD have a easement through there?
1:00:33>> I
1:00:35can double-check. I don't
1:00:37They have an easement. I mean, I know
1:00:39they have an easement over here where
1:00:40this is hiked. And obviously they have
1:00:43one where it's open, too. Um
1:00:45>> On the north side of the
1:00:46>> But I don't think we have that.
1:00:51>> The city will need to get an easement
1:00:52from the port on the east side where the
1:00:54fence is going for property. So, we'll
1:00:55have to work through that on this
1:00:56project, but um that's another thing.
1:01:00But I talked to Adam and Adam yesterday
1:01:02about that and he's
1:01:04pretty um
1:01:08pretty uh what's the word I'm thinking
1:01:09for there? He's he's convinced that's
1:01:11going to be an easy thing. They're ready
1:01:12to do that.
1:01:14>> So, they'll put the fire hydrants on the
1:01:16inside of the fence.
1:01:20>> Fire hydrant
1:01:21>> Yeah, inside.
1:01:21>> On on Airport South of Airport Way.
1:01:23>> Yeah.
1:01:24>> It would be south of the them last week.
1:01:27Hydrants. Yeah, yep.
1:01:29If not you got to put a gauge in each
1:01:30one of those. Yeah, now I'll put them on
1:01:32the inside.
1:01:34>> Something like that.
1:01:38>> So
1:01:41That'd be better anyway cuz then the
1:01:42power poles are closer than that.
1:01:46>> All right, follow up with airport
1:01:47lighting issues.
1:01:49Okay, Mr. Nolan.
1:01:52Um
1:01:54We did have patrol on the lighting.
1:01:58There was a couple lights that were out.
1:02:00I think you got both of them.
1:02:04They're they're they're operating the
1:02:05issue is
1:02:07that they're dim.
1:02:08>> West end of the runway was
1:02:12>> So
1:02:12>> Yeah, it's like cannons and stuff. So
1:02:14the real issue originally Adrian brought
1:02:17to us is the beacon.
1:02:19>> Yeah, I didn't want to go out there but
1:02:21>> And I think our beacon is just
1:02:23inadequate and I don't know if it's age
1:02:26design
1:02:28>> Ted was supposed to go out there with me
1:02:30on that one.
1:02:31>> Well, they the three guys went over
1:02:33there and said it's working.
1:02:35The the light is working.
1:02:36>> And then just just not very good.
1:02:38>> Yeah, it needs to be opened up and
1:02:40cleaned probably. That's not the
1:02:41original one. But not the original one.
1:02:44No, the original one was right north of
1:02:46my place a long long long time ago.
1:02:49>> So do we have to buy any beacon?
1:02:52>> I just need to take the bucket truck up
1:02:54there, open it up and look at it.
1:02:56>> Well, they opened it and that's how they
1:02:57know it's working.
1:02:58>> Yeah, well I I know it's working
1:03:01and they clean the lenses and stuff.
1:03:03>> I didn't ask them I thought I would have
1:03:06assumed that they did but
1:03:08>> It's not
1:03:08I know I thought it was just
1:03:10>> That's what I was going to say yeah.
1:03:11>> Yeah, the other theory we have is it
1:03:13just hasn't been serviced in 10 years.
1:03:15And it could be that it's dim because
1:03:17it's dirty.
1:03:18>> Yeah.
1:03:19>> I mean, for us to just
1:03:20>> It could be that it's just we need to
1:03:22operate the bulb.
1:03:23>> Mhm.
1:03:24>> That's another possibility.
1:03:26>> that that's I think it's not it's not an
1:03:28LED.
1:03:29>> It's It's dimmer than it was since I've
1:03:32been on the airplane.
1:03:32>> I would agree with that.
1:03:33>> acutely.
1:03:34>> Cuz I did a lot of night flying in 2018.
1:03:37And again in 2020.
1:03:39>> Mhm.
1:03:40>> And it was much brighter then than it is
1:03:42now.
1:03:43>> Okay.
1:03:45>> Yeah, I I mean
1:03:47I think for for us to have meetings and
1:03:49then say, well, we didn't really look at
1:03:51it. That's fine. But, I think
1:03:54you know, this is as complicated as you
1:03:56want to make it.
1:03:57>> Mhm.
1:03:57>> I don't think looking into buying a new
1:03:59beacon is just It's there. It's
1:04:01functional. It's just really dim. You
1:04:03can compare it to a similar unit that's
1:04:05at Prosser, which you can spot Prosser
1:04:08on the side, yeah. Not the other way
1:04:09around.
1:04:10>> Mhm.
1:04:10>> So, I think if you know,
1:04:12if we need to get the interior of the
1:04:14lens is polished something or cleaned or
1:04:17>> I would call the manufacturer and say,
1:04:19do you have an upgraded bulb? That's the
1:04:21simplest fix.
1:04:22>> Yeah.
1:04:23>> And the cheapest fix is, hey, you got
1:04:26like some high powered LED that lasts
1:04:28for 10,000 years? That's the one we
1:04:30want. You know?
1:04:32>> Well, they make a bumblebee that would
1:04:33probably be
1:04:35applicable to that.
1:04:37I think you can
1:04:39have a couple of them and and you can
1:04:41probably put a shield on one side for
1:04:43your rotation or whatever it is. I
1:04:45haven't seen the mechanism yet, but it
1:04:47looks like it's so far to be able to get
1:04:49it working.
1:04:51>> I I think I would start off with maybe
1:04:53just checking to see if the lens is
1:04:55dirty. You know, we do have a dusty
1:04:58environment.
1:05:01>> Okay.
1:05:03>> Yeah, I I would just call the
1:05:04manufacturer on the bulb issue. Be uh
1:05:07There's a good chance there's an
1:05:08upgraded bulb available. Do you know
1:05:09what bulb
1:05:10Did you find any of those light bulbs
1:05:12the runway?
1:05:13>> Dig it. Dig it. Is there a room full of
1:05:16them?
1:05:16>> handful of them. Maybe a box full of
1:05:18them.
1:05:18>> Oh, maybe the box the middle of the
1:05:20runway more
1:05:22>> that I don't know about, but the ones I
1:05:24did find were up on a shelf up there and
1:05:26they're probably a
1:05:27pretty good size box full and I was
1:05:29thinking, well, I hope they're all the
1:05:30same.
1:05:32>> Have you replaced any of them?
1:05:34>> Yeah, I replaced three out there.
1:05:35>> Did you understand Did you notice
1:05:37whether they're brighter than the ones
1:05:38that are existing?
1:05:39>> see them at night.
1:05:40>> I mean, where are your bus?
1:05:42>> There is a difference in brightness
1:05:43between the various bulbs. Let's assume
1:05:46it has to do with age.
1:05:47>> Yeah, yeah, the two strips at the end of
1:05:49the runway.
1:05:50>> Mhm.
1:05:50>> And that's the only ones I found broken
1:05:52while I was out there, but I didn't I
1:05:53had to uh meeting to get to.
1:05:55>> So, at the very end of the runway with
1:05:57the the runway strip
1:05:58>> The 40 was end of it.
1:06:00>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, those I know those
1:06:01lights were there. Yeah.
1:06:02>> You don't even know what end of the
1:06:03runway those are on.
1:06:05>> If you land a little short, that's what
1:06:06you find.
1:06:07>> Yeah.
1:06:07>> Yes.
1:06:07>> Okay.
1:06:08>> Were they clear or frosted?
1:06:11>> Uh there was one frosted and
1:06:13>> Aren't they red?
1:06:14>> No.
1:06:15>> They're white?
1:06:16>> They have a two sides to them and some
1:06:17of them are clear.
1:06:18>> Oh, that's right. You're right. Yeah,
1:06:20okay.
1:06:20>> I just mashed all of them up.
1:06:22>> Yeah, the bulb is
1:06:23There's some
1:06:24clear ones and there's some frosted
1:06:25ones. Yeah, the frosted ones look like
1:06:27camel turds.
1:06:28>> Yeah, they shouldn't I wouldn't even
1:06:30think about putting something like that
1:06:31where you're starting your
1:06:32>> You go out there and there's scattered
1:06:34through the whole
1:06:35>> I had My intention was to get out there
1:06:37at night and look at them again and see
1:06:39what's going on.
1:06:40>> I don't know about that way.
1:06:40>> And what By 6:00, it's dark dark now, so
1:06:43you don't have to wait till 8:00. You
1:06:45know, it's dark at 6:00.
1:06:46>> Oh, yeah.
1:06:47That's uh dark a long time, too. Get up
1:06:50and
1:06:51>> It's That's a flashlight.
1:06:53It's night is difficult. That runway is
1:06:55finding that beacon and then
1:06:57you know, you see prosser, it's really
1:06:59bright and then the runway is just It's
1:07:01like a bunch of candles.
1:07:02>> I just fly the GPS
1:07:04and what I often do is overfly the field
1:07:07and then usually it's calm at night so
1:07:09you make a left turn and then 45 into a
1:07:12downwind 25.
1:07:14So I just come in at pattern altitude so
1:07:16I'm at 1,700.
1:07:18Instead of if it was lit well lit I
1:07:20would just fly direct.
1:07:22But instead I do that overhead pattern
1:07:25so that I know I'm looking down at the
1:07:26runway and I'm on the right spot.
1:07:29And says sunny side big letters and then
1:07:32I can make a left turn and get into left
1:07:34pattern for 25.
1:07:36Cuz very few people land on 07 at night.
1:07:39It's like 80% come on 25.
1:07:42>> It's not lit up there though.
1:07:44>> Yeah well
1:07:45>> What's not
1:07:45>> going over the highway.
1:07:47>> It's a better approach because you're
1:07:48not right over top of the freeway.
1:07:50>> Or yeah.
1:07:50>> Yeah among other things but
1:07:53>> Well we used to I I would be able to see
1:07:55that
1:07:56the beacon from
1:07:58school you know why it was
1:07:59just real easy and
1:08:01and never thought of it not
1:08:03continuing you know.
1:08:04>> It's it's hard to see until you're
1:08:06pretty close.
1:08:07>> Yeah.
1:08:07>> And if it's really clear out and you
1:08:09know where to look
1:08:11you'll actually often times see the
1:08:12runway lights before you'll see the
1:08:14beacon.
1:08:16As Prosser when you get to uh
1:08:21about that city if you're at 4,000 or
1:08:23better you'll see Prosser's.
1:08:26>> Yeah they got
1:08:27>> Yeah.
1:08:28>> What's next?
1:08:31>> We've already talked about the migrating
1:08:33birds when
1:08:34>> Yeah yeah.
1:08:35>> Covered migrating birds uh
1:08:38Do we have any new items that committee
1:08:39members would like to bring
1:08:42forth at this time or can we continue
1:08:44with the agenda?
1:08:46>> I All those weeds down there in the
1:08:48turnaround.
1:08:50Cuz we got a mouse we have mice problem
1:08:51now.
1:08:52>> Mice this year's been
1:08:54had several in my hangar.
1:08:55>> They're even in my lawn.
1:08:57>> Um so I pushed all those weeds up in a
1:09:00pile them up them.
1:09:01>> Okay.
1:09:01>> I don't know if it's fire department.
1:09:03>> Yeah, he was out there on his tractor
1:09:04with his
1:09:05rotary mower and cleaned that whole area
1:09:08up at this intersection right here.
1:09:11So, he you know, this is
1:09:14the dirty spot for that taxiway is that
1:09:17corner right there.
1:09:19>> Yeah, the mice were They were probably
1:09:21200 mi and they were just going
1:09:23everywhere.
1:09:24>> That's probably three straight cats out
1:09:26there.
1:09:27>> So, I'll I'll burn it.
1:09:29As soon as it dries up, we'll burn it.
1:09:30>> And I didn't I got another pile between
1:09:32the Wasser and Yorn well in front of
1:09:35Tyler's place. I pushed all those weeds
1:09:37up, too.
1:09:38>> Okay.
1:09:38>> And then I mowed that again.
1:09:40>> Yeah. Yeah. So, thank you for your
1:09:42community service. You know, your mower.
1:09:45Um a comment related to this is
1:09:49you know, weed science is the core of my
1:09:52expertise.
1:09:53We hit it absolutely on the golden hour
1:09:57for this past 26 application.
1:10:01He sprayed and like 48 hours later we
1:10:04got like half an inch of rain.
1:10:07And you know how little follow-up work
1:10:09we had to do this year. It was like less
1:10:12than 10% of the year before.
1:10:15Okay. So,
1:10:17re-emphasize when it's we get to March
1:10:19and he's getting ready to make that
1:10:20application, tell him
1:10:23you know, wait till the weather guy is
1:10:24certain we're going to get at least
1:10:262/10.
1:10:27And spray within 24 hours preceding.
1:10:31And I don't care if he's out there when
1:10:32it starts raining.
1:10:34Because that's why it worked. It pulled
1:10:36it down right into that quarter-inch
1:10:38zone
1:10:39where the sun didn't get it and degrade
1:10:41it. That's so it stayed potent and
1:10:44that's the germination for those weeds.
1:10:46Easiest place to kill a weed is when it
1:10:48sends that first little root out. Or
1:10:50even emerges.
1:10:51>> Okay.
1:10:51>> Can we notify
1:10:54Life Flight and um
1:10:57Air Net
1:10:58and just have them do their straight-in
1:11:00approaches. Do north of the palm by the
1:11:03light
1:11:04the sunny side sign.
1:11:08The only reason we got them
1:11:09>> [clears throat]
1:11:10>> they're coming in and they're doing air
1:11:11taxis and stuff. They're blowing crap
1:11:12everywhere.
1:11:13>> Yeah, they're actually going right in
1:11:15front of his hangar on the taxiway.
1:11:17>> Airlift and Lifeflight.
1:11:18>> It's mainly the Lifeflight guy.
1:11:21The The guy driving the blue 417.
1:11:23>> Then what?
1:11:25>> What's that?
1:11:25>> Where do you Where do you want them?
1:11:27>> Just have them do a straight-in. No more
1:11:28air taxiing.
1:11:29>> Straight-in.
1:11:30>> They don't need to air taxi. Because
1:11:32they
1:11:32>> They taxi down the runway, that's when
1:11:33everything gets
1:11:35Cuz the runway is clean, but then the
1:11:38taxiway they're coming right down the
1:11:39taxiway they're blowing stuff both ways.
1:11:41>> Right.
1:11:41Straight-in, no more air taxiing. They
1:11:44don't need air taxiing. I mean
1:11:45>> I'll I'll get a hold of them.
1:11:48So.
1:11:48>> Most of them do a really good job. Guys
1:11:49coming out of Richland or Moses Lake do
1:11:52a really good job. You get the U-Dub
1:11:53guys and they want to air taxi.
1:11:55It creates a problem for us.
1:11:57>> Okay.
1:11:57>> Yeah.
1:11:58>> I will get a hold of them tomorrow.
1:12:00>> That stuff is in my mix tank and
1:12:01>> But our problems are so much less than
1:12:03they were last year. We just
1:12:0690 versus 10%.
1:12:07>> Yeah.
1:12:08>> Yeah, that is.
1:12:10Uh any other new items of meeting
1:12:13members to consider?
1:12:16Uh staff members, do you have any new
1:12:18>> Yes. So, I know I have a letter from
1:12:23Mr. Derby about the lease.
1:12:27So, I'll be working on those.
1:12:29>> Yes.
1:12:30>> No Red
1:12:31wants to lease the property for his. So,
1:12:34if I can get a letter
1:12:35stating you want to do the lease
1:12:38so I can start working on that.
1:12:40Um
1:12:42and then
1:12:43everybody else if you want I'm trying to
1:12:45get you guys a lease extension.
1:12:48So, cuz that's what Mr. Derby wants. He
1:12:50wants a lease extension. So, if
1:12:52everybody that, I can get it all in one
1:12:54shot, send send all the lease agreements
1:12:56to the attorney, and then we can get it.
1:12:59>> Did you
1:13:00>> What what are you thinking on that?
1:13:01Yeah, year-wise.
1:13:03>> Uh I think Mr. Derby put on
1:13:08Just going off his letter.
1:13:10Um
1:13:13The lease provider left the written 90
1:13:16days. Yeah, to 2032.
1:13:21So,
1:13:23the notice of exercise of lease written
1:13:24notice of exercise of optional term to
1:13:26begin on January 1st, 2028, expires on
1:13:30December 31st, 2032.
1:13:33>> Okay, so 8 32.
1:13:35>> Put it in writing on
1:13:36>> 5 years.
1:13:36>> If you want to do 2027,
1:13:39I mean, I can work I mean, that's I'm
1:13:40just working on it right now.
1:13:42Um I don't know if I'll have it ready by
1:13:442027, but at least
1:13:46>> The original ones were 20 year, I think.
1:13:50>> Yeah, 8 15 to 20. I know 4 or 5 year
1:13:53lease.
1:13:54>> That's what he has.
1:13:56>> 10.
1:13:57>> Yeah.
1:13:58>> Did you Did you want to go longer than 5
1:14:00years?
1:14:01>> Sure.
1:14:02>> I think
1:14:03we have another 5 years.
1:14:04>> Yeah, I think we Pam was just saying we
1:14:06have a 5 and then another rolls over
1:14:08into another 5.
1:14:09>> Yeah, cuz you have 97 to 22
1:14:14initially right there, and then for an
1:14:16additional 5 year period um the lease
1:14:19provider unless it's written notice of
1:14:2190 days before expiration of term.
1:14:23>> 5 the first go around.
1:14:24>> Okay.
1:14:26I mean, we can do longer. You guys want
1:14:28to do longer? Just Whatever whatever
1:14:30>> for all these.
1:14:31>> If that's If that's what you guys want,
1:14:33then we can go longer. Just We got to
1:14:34give me a number so I can make sure I
1:14:36get those in there.
1:14:37>> Okay. I want to say the first one was 20
1:14:39or 25
1:14:40>> Okay.
1:14:40>> when I did it.
1:14:41>> So, you guys want to go back to 2025
1:14:44years?
1:14:45>> Yeah. What's the downside?
1:14:47>> I think that the house lease
1:14:49>> Nothing.
1:14:50>> If you if well, if
1:14:51>> It's not really I mean that's really.
1:14:53>> If you're going to sell if you're going
1:14:54to sell something
1:14:56and you're you got it got 5 years and
1:14:58that creates problem.
1:14:59>> Okay.
1:15:00>> Right.
1:15:00>> So, will will 25 years
1:15:03and then Um so, I'm just getting a
1:15:06letter from everybody so I can try to
1:15:07get this going and get it all sent it
1:15:09out.
1:15:09>> Get your letter to Bob Ward.
1:15:10>> All tenants need to send you a letter.
1:15:12>> Yes.
1:15:13>> Okay.
1:15:13>> Yeah.
1:15:14>> Yeah, we'll need it. We'll get a letter
1:15:16into you, Hector.
1:15:17>> Okay, thank you.
1:15:17>> Yeah, it's Adrian. That's that's what I
1:15:19was going to ask you is like I'm
1:15:20included in your lease agreement. So, do
1:15:23you not think it would be just kind of
1:15:26efficient and expeditious to get a
1:15:28longer lease?
1:15:30>> Yeah, I would like a 50-year lease.
1:15:32>> Yeah, I mean
1:15:33>> Yeah.
1:15:34>> What's the downside, right?
1:15:35>> Yeah, there's no downside on our part.
1:15:37But, I just I just
1:15:38>> Sure. Yeah, I'm good with that.
1:15:41>> Okay.
1:15:41>> Well, while I have the floor
1:15:43uh on one other thing. Last last meeting
1:15:45I I mentioned that uh
1:15:47I would look into uh lighted uh
1:15:49uh wind socks. And I did talk to a lady
1:15:52in California that uh with a company on
1:15:55lighted wind socks. And um
1:15:59looked in, got pricing on the on the
1:16:00whole thing with the stand and the whole
1:16:02works. And but I wanted to take a look
1:16:04and see how much we really needed of our
1:16:08equipment to adapt into our our existing
1:16:11wind socks. And the last couple weeks
1:16:13I've been just a little bit tied up. Uh
1:16:15had some few issues. And so, anyway,
1:16:18uh that's that is in progress. But, the
1:16:20LED lighted wind socks, the whole
1:16:22enchilada is is an expensive unit. But,
1:16:26but like I say, we don't need the stand.
1:16:28We have a wind sock. We have a lot of
1:16:30that kind of stuff. So, anyway, that is
1:16:31in progress. Just kind of a progress
1:16:33report.
1:16:36>> Okay.
1:16:37>> So, I'll send you a just an email in the
1:16:38morning.
1:16:39>> Because I'm the president of the East
1:16:42Air Group. There's There's four of us.
1:16:45>> Just make sure you put on there
1:16:47the name just so I know that I have all
1:16:49those in different files, so
1:16:51>> Yeah. Yeah, I'll I'll use the official
1:16:54LLC or whatever it is.
1:16:55>> All right, I appreciate that.
1:16:57>> [laughter]
1:16:57>> Cuz that's the we've got to be in the
1:16:58paperwork anyway.
1:16:59>> Yeah.
1:17:00>> I missed last meeting, but has the Wi-Fi
1:17:02thing just been dropped?
1:17:04>> No.
1:17:05>> Okay.
1:17:05>> So
1:17:06>> So no update?
1:17:07>> No, right now I'm I been concentrating
1:17:09we cuz we have [clears throat] uh
1:17:12fun uh
1:17:13big week coming up the project.
1:17:14>> Okay. Well, keep that in incubating.
1:17:17>> Got you.
1:17:17>> That's good thoughts.
1:17:19Um
1:17:22Anything more for staff?
1:17:24>> Any other issues from staff?
1:17:26>> Um we did get
1:17:29uh
1:17:32under the
1:17:34active agenda
1:17:35we got through
1:17:39s-
1:17:40a little more detail on the construction
1:17:42schedule. Did Did we talk
1:17:44Did you give us a number?
1:17:46A guest of it?
1:17:48>> So
1:17:49it will go to construction sometime next
1:17:51summer.
1:17:51>> Okay. That's good.
1:17:53Uh the courtesy vehicle
1:17:56we're s-
1:17:57I actually incubating I'm going to have
1:17:59to
1:18:00if
1:18:01if it's a dome is correct and
1:18:03miss um
1:18:06>> Okay.
1:18:07>> No.
1:18:08Uh
1:18:10Meanwhile
1:18:10>> No.
1:18:11>> has the insurance for it. I got to get a
1:18:14pricing.
1:18:15>> Okay.
1:18:15>> That's a whole different insurance and
1:18:17that has to go through city manager,
1:18:19council, all that.
1:18:20>> Okay.
1:18:20>> That would have to be approval for us to
1:18:23do the whole vehicle. So
1:18:26>> Well, identifying like you said you you
1:18:29can use your phone number.
1:18:31That'd be a good way to
1:18:33get to get access.
1:18:34>> Okay.
1:18:35>> Um
1:18:36>> Excellent idea.
1:18:37>> Let's see. Yeah, this this behind fence
1:18:39That's a great idea. And the guys have
1:18:41come in.
1:18:44I'm going out there a few times when
1:18:45these pilots come in and talk to them
1:18:47about what it's like.
1:18:50Northern California, so
1:18:52Yeah. So you have to fill up a lot.
1:18:55Found a guy last week with Albuquerque.
1:18:58You're going to have to have a minute.
1:19:01Build it also.
1:19:02>> Yeah.
1:19:03>> Then you publish into things like phone
1:19:04apps so people can get access.
1:19:06>> So one of my aircraft owners is when I
1:19:08had to base.
1:19:10So when he gets serious to call me.
1:19:13And I become
1:19:15his Uber. He calls it Stuber.
1:19:18>> [laughter]
1:19:19>> Actually uses port.
1:19:21>> Yeah, just turns into the airport.
1:19:23>> Yeah.
1:19:23>> You know, there's there's an
1:19:24organization called AOPA, airports
1:19:27owners and
1:19:29but anyway, I will check with them as
1:19:32far as how other airports are
1:19:36accomplishing a courtesy car. They they
1:19:39might be able to shed a little light.
1:19:40It's it's a national organization.
1:19:42>> Okay, yeah.
1:19:43>> I'll send you a contact for that.
1:19:45>> Okay.
1:19:45>> Okay.
1:19:46>> Yeah, I think the last person I talked
1:19:47to like I said, they it was
1:19:51that goes else with Glendale lost their
1:19:53city. They went out and then their their
1:19:55insurance like ours WIC did no more.
1:19:59Um
1:20:01Think it was Pullman. They were
1:20:03contracting with somebody that Texas one
1:20:06of the insurances down there to allow
1:20:08them to use the courtesy car. Okay.
1:20:11So
1:20:12>> Internet is a wonderful thing now,
1:20:14right?
1:20:14>> Yes.
1:20:15>> They all I ever had to do there is show
1:20:16them my pilot's license. They take a
1:20:19photocopy of it and give me the key and
1:20:20off I go.
1:20:21>> Yeah.
1:20:22>> That also
1:20:23>> Okay, so we'll I'll keep on working on
1:20:25that. Okay, thank you.
1:20:27>> Uh update on the the cost of the
1:20:30hardware and installation on the
1:20:31repeater for the east half of the
1:20:35airport.
1:20:36>> What is that internet? That's the
1:20:37internet.
1:20:38>> That's the internet.
1:20:40>> I'm what what we're working on is
1:20:42>> WyCo.
1:20:43>> Okay. All right. Um
1:20:45>> Is it the after you again?
1:20:46>> With two fence things.
1:20:55>> I haven't seen this
1:20:56>> Spectra tube sticking out. Spectra can
1:20:58and all that.
1:20:59>> Come down.
1:21:00>> Airport way all the way to Alamos.
1:21:01>> So
1:21:02>> Uh cable uh
1:21:03>> One of the subheadings
1:21:05>> Right.
1:21:05>> that we did not get to
1:21:08is 0.4
1:21:10uh uh on this airport fencing project uh
1:21:14page
1:21:15which is continued agricultural use. And
1:21:18And I sent Hector a little note on this.
1:21:21And I I thought about it a little bit.
1:21:24And um
1:21:26I I
1:21:27you know, I I
1:21:29it probably the greatest impact to the
1:21:31community
1:21:33is the aerial applicator. And the reason
1:21:35is
1:21:36cuz the Alamosa County
1:21:38generates $2.6 billion
1:21:40of income
1:21:42from agricultural sources.
1:21:44Okay?
1:21:46That's like 80% if you exclude
1:21:49government and you talk only private
1:21:50industry. Cuz private industry makes
1:21:52money, government consumes money, okay?
1:21:56So if you're talking about the people
1:21:56that make the the tax base, it's
1:21:58agriculture. It's way over 85% in
1:22:01Alamosa County. So
1:22:04uh I I I think we're fortunate we have
1:22:05two applicators there.
1:22:07Once in a while Northland Helicopters
1:22:09will come in and and do some stuff out
1:22:11of there [clears throat] as well.
1:22:12They're based in Alamosa, but they'll
1:22:14come down when they're working in the
1:22:16area.
1:22:17Uh I think it's it's uh
1:22:20critical that we maintain that base. I
1:22:23asked Red how many acres he flies and
1:22:25and he flies almost exclusively on
1:22:28irrigated high-value crops.
1:22:30>> Mhm.
1:22:30>> For a lot of money per acre.
1:22:32>> And we got the Clementine here.
1:22:34>> I mean, for certain of my specialty
1:22:36stuff,
1:22:37getting $40,000 an acre. That's
1:22:40>> Good.
1:22:40>> So,
1:22:42what I meant by continued agricultural
1:22:44use is what we touched on earlier is
1:22:45other people use it as farming on the
1:22:48property. And that's what
1:22:50constitutes continued agricultural use.
1:22:52So, if we've covered we've covered that
1:22:55already, so that covers what I was
1:22:57concerned about.
1:22:58>> Yeah.
1:22:59No, I hear you.
1:23:00>> Well, why does it say aerial applicator?
1:23:02>> Yeah, I just I think it's an important
1:23:05important component of the airport and
1:23:08it in terms of the economic activity
1:23:10that it drives,
1:23:12it's number one. It has It has that. So,
1:23:14um it's good to ask the question, and as
1:23:16always,
1:23:18um and I think
1:23:21but is there a general consensus on the
1:23:23committee that that uh this is an
1:23:25important thing that we should continue
1:23:27to support?
1:23:28>> Yes.
1:23:29>> Okay. All right. So,
1:23:31um
1:23:32>> I second.
1:23:32>> You know, I think we can sort of go
1:23:34through that. Um
1:23:36funding and construction priorities.
1:23:39Um I think we've discussed this
1:23:40previously, and our current tunnel
1:23:43vision focus is really on the fence.
1:23:45>> Mhm.
1:23:46>> Okay? Once we get the fence project
1:23:48done, then we can start thinking about
1:23:50other things we're going to do. And I'm
1:23:51not discounting the T-hangars. I have
1:23:53faith that the T-hangars are a good
1:23:55build. Okay? I have faith.
1:23:56>> I'm glad you have faith.
1:23:58>> [laughter]
1:23:59>> I'm
1:23:59I can only do so much.
1:24:00>> Every now and then I like to cancel. I
1:24:02have a lot of faith.
1:24:02>> I appreciate that.
1:24:04>> So, you see
1:24:05you guys will not start the T-hangar
1:24:07until next June. Is that what you're
1:24:08saying?
1:24:09>> No, that's the fence.
1:24:11>> Okay.
1:24:11>> The T-hangar should go sooner than that.
1:24:14>> Well, let's let's be careful. That's not
1:24:16our project. That's the port project.
1:24:18So, let's
1:24:18>> The port project. We have no control
1:24:19over
1:24:19>> Adam should speak to that.
1:24:21>> All right.
1:24:21>> It's still it's done and done it.
1:24:23>> Yeah. I'm
1:24:24>> hoping
1:24:26with me talking to her and
1:24:29>> Until moving forward
1:24:32just so we're all clear, I'm putting
1:24:33this out there on the record.
1:24:36Cuz it was one of her
1:24:39upsetments.
1:24:42If there's any questions that you need
1:24:44from Angers or F F F A A that they F F A
1:24:47F A A
1:24:49please direct them to me so I can direct
1:24:52them to her. Because she was
1:24:55Yeah. It was she was getting a
1:24:58a lot of phone calls.
1:24:59>> we volunteered to go get her.
1:25:00>> Oh, I know and she she is very
1:25:02appreciative. She would love to meet Red
1:25:04cuz I talked about Red. I talked about
1:25:06Stu. I talked about all of you guys and
1:25:08I would have told them that they would
1:25:09love to go pick you up and she's
1:25:10excited.
1:25:12But she was getting a lot of phone calls
1:25:14from different people and
1:25:16>> Who? Like who?
1:25:17Cuz I never called them.
1:25:18>> No no not not
1:25:20>> Just in general.
1:25:20>> Just throwing that out there if if you
1:25:23guys do happen to call F F A F I think
1:25:27the F A A F A A
1:25:29please direct them to me and um I'm just
1:25:32putting this out there. Just just cuz
1:25:34I'm I'm going to want everybody to know.
1:25:37So
1:25:37>> know when you're going out there again
1:25:38cuz I'd like to meet her.
1:25:40>> I'm trying to get her down here.
1:25:42>> We're we're just out of step behind you.
1:25:43You just call us when you need us.
1:25:45>> I am and that she she's ready to come
1:25:48down she said so.
1:25:50>> So if June for the fence phase two
1:25:55>> phase one
1:25:56>> phase one
1:25:57here
1:25:58>> right by you guys
1:26:00>> Why are
1:26:00>> Phase one is north cuz that's the north
1:26:02side.
1:26:03>> Why are we doing the north side? We
1:26:04should be doing the south side first.
1:26:06>> I know we plowed that ground how many
1:26:08times?
1:26:09>> We can't because of the contamination
1:26:11issue.
1:26:12>> They can't do your area
1:26:14until you get back contamination.
1:26:15>> We thought that had to be taken care of
1:26:17before you do anything.
1:26:18>> No.
1:26:18>> No, we can do that on our
1:26:19>> We can do the whole north side, the
1:26:21whole east and west. It's phase three
1:26:24that I can't do.
1:26:25>> Something is better than
1:26:27nothing.
1:26:27>> I know.
1:26:28>> I just don't get that.
1:26:28>> And and I can't and I can't I'm trying
1:26:30to get the money. As you know, I'm
1:26:32talking to Mary and trying to get that
1:26:35money so I can get everything else done
1:26:38because
1:26:39that's going to cost me a lot because
1:26:41like you stated and she she backed it
1:26:43up, all that dirt needs to be gone. New
1:26:47dirt needs to bring in. It needs to be
1:26:49lined.
1:26:51So, I know.
1:26:53Trust me, it's like me going through a
1:26:54brick wall. It's not easy, but it's
1:26:56doable.
1:26:57>> All of our issues come from the south
1:26:59side of the yard.
1:27:00>> I understand.
1:27:01I understand. And I've explained that to
1:27:03Mary many times and
1:27:06I'm hoping that we're
1:27:07>> What does Mary have to do with the
1:27:08fence?
1:27:09>> Mary Mary's the the call the call the
1:27:13ecology.
1:27:13>> Ecology. So, she can give me money.
1:27:16>> But what we don't want is start the
1:27:18fence on your side
1:27:20>> And then once we
1:27:21>> And then we have to tear everything out
1:27:23because we got to bring all the dirt.
1:27:27You know what I mean?
1:27:27>> sense.
1:27:27>> Yeah.
1:27:29>> That's like 20 or 30
1:27:31double loads of dirt right there. That's
1:27:33quite a bit.
1:27:35>> Yeah.
1:27:36That's where I'm at.
1:27:39I know and I and I get what you're
1:27:41saying and what you're coming from. I
1:27:42totally do.
1:27:43>> across the road, the fence. Yeah, it is.
1:27:46>> No, I know.
1:27:47>> So, we just even though our priorities
1:27:49are reversed
1:27:50this is the way we have to do it because
1:27:51of that.
1:27:53>> And it has And it has nothing to I mean
1:27:55it
1:27:56Don't get me wrong, it has nothing on
1:27:57Red. You know, it's nothing on anybody.
1:28:00It was It was there. They They found it.
1:28:03It It is what it is.
1:28:05And it it it should have got taken
1:28:07done a long time ago like you know,
1:28:09we've all stated. When Red built his,
1:28:12that's when
1:28:14the whoever was sitting in the airport
1:28:16manager should have said, "Okay, we need
1:28:17to get this taken care of because
1:28:19knowing for the future, we're going to
1:28:21do this fence.
1:28:22I'll receive that to get done, but
1:28:24that's where I'm picking it up.
1:28:27So, and I'm covering that football like
1:28:29there's no cover before.
1:28:31Okay?
1:28:33>> I was under the understanding that if
1:28:34they just put asphalt over the top of
1:28:36that,
1:28:37they wouldn't have any more issues
1:28:38because it would not be penetrating down
1:28:41into the water table. Red, you got your
1:28:44>> Yeah, that was Mary's idea.
1:28:46>> Yeah.
1:28:47>> So, I don't know what the difference is
1:28:48now. She She's saying that we need to
1:28:50take all that dirt out.
1:28:52So,
1:28:55and if I and I can bring that up again
1:28:57to her because how deep you go on your
1:28:59asphalt?
1:29:01>> The spot I had to dig up was
1:29:0418 in.
1:29:0616 18 in,
1:29:07but I had to remove it and then I had to
1:29:09come in there with uh fresh dirt.
1:29:10>> Yep.
1:29:11Rock and ballast
1:29:13>> and all that.
1:29:14>> So, if that's I mean if if nothing else,
1:29:17I mean
1:29:18>> But I you got to do it all the way
1:29:19around those wells.
1:29:20>> No, I know. That's the problem. And
1:29:22that's actually that's the whole reason
1:29:23she's saying I need to take all of that
1:29:24dirt out and then bring in fresh dirt
1:29:27instead of doing asphalt.
1:29:28>> And that goes clear over to Ted's
1:29:30>> Mhm.
1:29:31>> hanger, correct?
1:29:32>> Yep.
1:29:34>> And how far out to the south?
1:29:36>> [snorts]
1:29:36>> Off the top of my head, I can't
1:29:37remember.
1:29:39So,
1:29:40>> Yeah, and environmental laws change
1:29:42every day and they're not getting
1:29:45>> Yeah, before you get digging out there,
1:29:46remember there's a septic field up close
1:29:49to that.
1:29:50>> [laughter]
1:29:51>> Just a little PS for you.
1:29:55>> Yeah.
1:29:58But
1:29:59All right, so I've given my spiel.
1:30:02>> Thank you very much. Is there any other
1:30:04new business
1:30:06old business to be revisited?
1:30:08>> I know. Let's conclude the meeting and
1:30:11let everybody get get themselves home to
1:30:12their family.
1:30:13>> I have a question.
1:30:15How did they put that septic field in
1:30:17without a uh
1:30:19a What do they call it? A heritage study
1:30:21or whatever it is they're going through
1:30:23for the
1:30:24uh
1:30:24>> The culture study?
1:30:25>> Culture study for uh
1:30:28the hangers. How did How did they
1:30:29accomplish that?
1:30:31>> That's That's a good question and that's
1:30:33something I'll have to
1:30:34>> I I don't want to bring it up.
1:30:36>> I don't want to bring it up. Let's just
1:30:37leave that one buried. [laughter]
1:30:40>> I don't want to bring all that up.
1:30:41>> Have you ever heard the term poking a
1:30:43skunk?
1:30:45>> [laughter]
1:30:46>> I just thought I'd bring it up.
1:30:47>> That's exactly what your question's
1:30:49going to do.
1:30:52So.
1:30:52>> Before we end the meeting, do we want to
1:30:54schedule the next one?
1:30:56>> Yeah, let's chat briefly. Thank you,
1:30:58Miranda, about the next
1:31:00meeting.
1:31:01Um November is uh has a holiday in it um
1:31:04right at the time we normally would be
1:31:06meeting.
1:31:07>> We usually take November, December, and
1:31:08January off.
1:31:09>> Yeah, that's what I thought.
1:31:10>> I will be gone for the December
1:31:12>> Okay.
1:31:12>> meeting for sure.
1:31:14Um January is possible late in the
1:31:17month.
1:31:19>> Not for me.
1:31:20>> Not for you. Okay. That's why we take
1:31:22November, December, January.
1:31:23>> Why don't we do this? Why don't we try
1:31:25and set something for February
1:31:28with the proviso that you can reach out
1:31:30through email if there's some ongoing
1:31:33issue. It's very easy for us to sort of
1:31:35address that. We could do a little quick
1:31:37Zoom thing if we had some crisis. But
1:31:40you just keep us informed
1:31:41>> Mhm.
1:31:42>> of stuff that happens and uh let us know
1:31:46if you want feedback on something. Let
1:31:48me know. So, thank you.
1:31:50>> teach your business smart.
1:31:52>> You didn't like the word, did you?
1:31:54>> No.
1:31:55>> So next
1:31:55>> Well, I didn't either.
1:31:57>> [laughter]
1:31:58>> Smart ass.
1:32:00>> No.
1:32:00>> Is there any other further business?
1:32:03Let's let's work on picking that date.
1:32:06Can we just do that by email? Yep, I'll
1:32:09send it around
1:32:10for a preferred date in February
1:32:12and we'll probably stick with a 5:30
1:32:14time if that still works for everybody.
1:32:16Do we still want to do third Wednesday?
1:32:18Third Wednesday. Okay, third Wednesday
1:32:215:30. Does that still work for you?
1:32:23I thought we were
1:32:25I thought we were Tuesday.
1:32:27Get started.
1:32:28What do you say? Who cares? All right.
1:32:31Oh wait, Tuesday? Yeah, Tuesday Tuesday.
1:32:33Sorry, we're third Tuesdays.
1:32:35Third Tuesday is the same difference for
1:32:37me. Yeah.
1:32:40Yeah, we're Tuesday.
1:32:41So that's the 23rd.
1:32:44I know it says yeah. No, that'd be the
1:32:4616th.
1:32:50Correct.
1:32:52The 16th of February. 23rd sounded
1:32:55better.
1:32:57>> [laughter]
1:32:58>> Yep.
1:33:00No, it wouldn't be with the 23rd. I'd be
1:33:02the third. Well, the second, ninth,
1:33:0416th, and the third.
1:33:06It's 17th, isn't
1:33:0816th. Right there on the 16th. 23rd.
1:33:1123rd. February 23rd. Oh yeah, there we
1:33:13are. Yep, yep, yep, you're right.
1:33:1623rd
1:33:17or Tuesday. Say that.
1:33:20That's the third Tuesday. The third is
1:33:21the 16th. It's not showing the first
1:33:23week of the month.
1:33:26Oh yeah. Oh, it is.
1:33:28That's the first week. Yep, you're
1:33:30right. So it is the 16th. It's 16th.
1:33:33Yeah.
1:33:34No, it's the 17th, isn't it? 16th. So
1:33:36we're on the Tuesday. Oh, Tuesday.
1:33:37Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:33:40Tuesday, February 16th.
1:33:45Okay. Maybe.
1:33:49So we have no idea when that
1:33:51phase three or or not phase three, but
1:33:53around my place will be cattle. Um, so
1:33:57trying to get it all right.
1:34:05That's going to be
1:34:13But, we already did some of it for you.
1:34:15>> I know. I appreciate that.
1:34:16>> [laughter]
1:34:17>> I appreciate that.
1:34:19>> [clears throat]
1:34:22>> Perfect.
1:34:24Yeah.
1:34:26Wrong calendar or we released from
1:34:28bondage?
1:34:29>> Yes.
1:34:30>> Thank you all for your participation.
1:34:32Thank you.
1:34:33Good work.
1:34:36Now, pass through the last stop.
1:34:38>> Good evening.
1:34:39>> Good evening.
1:34:40>> And a Merry Christmas to all.
1:34:42>> See you, Pamela.
1:34:51Yeah.
1:34:52>> There are no easements showing along the
1:34:54north side of the property.

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