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0:00For anyone who's heard of astrology, but
0:02doesn't really know what it is,
0:04what is astrology and how does it work?
0:07>> So, astrology is the study of how the
0:11sky mirrors what happens on Earth.
0:15Astrology and your astrology chart is a
0:18mirror of your life, of your life's
0:21purpose, of your soul. It's a mirror of
0:24the events that also happen on the
0:26Earth. And when you're born, somebody's
0:30astrology chart is literally like a map
0:33of their life. It's a map of your
0:34potential, it's a map of your problems,
0:37it's a map of your growth edges. It's a
0:39map of all the ways in which you need to
0:42grow and work and change into yourself.
0:47And what it also signifies is that
0:50there's this kind of sense of you're an
0:53amulet [clears throat] of the exact time
0:56that you were born. So, every single
0:57moment of life has its own chart. So, us
1:02meeting today has a chart for it.
1:04And it is a crystallization,
1:07or the chart becomes a map of what we're
1:10crystallizing together. So, you as a
1:12person, when you're born, we look at we
1:15take a snapshot of the entire sky when
1:17you're born in the exact location in the
1:19exact time that you were born. And we
1:22see where everything was in the sky, and
1:25that is the amulet of you. If you so
1:29choose to work with it and look at it.
1:31>> So, you're looking at everything from
1:32the stars, the moon, the position of
1:35where you were born, the time of birth.
1:37>> Yeah, we're looking at everything. So,
1:39literally right now, if we were to take
1:41a snapshot of the sky, because we are in
1:42this place and because it's this time,
1:45there's a specific sign rising up over
1:47the horizon. The sun is in a specific
1:49place in the sky, and everything else
1:52out there in relationship to the Earth
1:54is in a specific place and it's having a
1:57certain relationship.
1:59>> [snorts]
1:59>> And so, astrology is the study of those
2:02relationships.
2:03>> For anyone who's
2:04listening and they're skeptical about
2:06astrology, they have their doubts,
2:07they're cynical about it,
2:10what would you say to them?
2:11>> Great. I love it. Like, you should be
2:13cynical. And also, God forbid we all
2:16like the same thing. It's like, I don't
2:18think that I don't really even want to
2:20live in a world where we all like
2:22believe in astrology, whatever that
2:23might mean. I think diversity is really
2:26important. I think that the main my main
2:30agenda is that you understand what your
2:33life's purpose is, and you move towards
2:36that with the greatest efficacy
2:38possible, and that moves you towards
2:41serving the world in your own specific
2:43way.
2:44I think that for me, astrology is my
2:47quickest entry point into that, but
2:49there are a thousand, and they're all
2:51legitimate and wonderful. I just want
2:53you to find yours. And so, if you don't
2:56like astrology, great.
2:58I don't know of anybody, and I you know,
3:01I'm sure there is people out there. I
3:02don't know of anybody that has spent
3:05a significant amount of time studying
3:08astrology, like really thoroughly
3:10studying it, and then feeling like it
3:12had no merit whatsoever.
3:14Jung, the the psychotherapist,
3:17psychologist, uh
3:20famously thought it was ridiculous, and
3:23studied it, and converted himself, and
3:25then he actually became somebody who
3:27impacted the field greatly.
3:30But,
3:31I feel like most people that don't like
3:33it are thinking about sun sign
3:35horoscopes, which are like a gateway
3:38drug into astrology. Like, they're not
3:40the thing.
3:41>> Talk to me about the difference between
3:42what you're talking about
3:44>> Yeah.
3:44>> sun sign horoscopes.
3:46>> So, sun sign horoscopes were developed
3:49around the time of the printing press,
3:51so that people could have an easy access
3:56point, an easy entry point into
3:58understanding their astrology. Cuz
3:59basically, if you knew the day that you
4:01were born,
4:03give or take, you knew what sun sign you
4:05were.
4:06But, before that, it was very, very
4:08focused on the rising sign. And the
4:10rising sign is so specific because
4:12again, it's about where you're born and
4:13the exact time cuz that's the exact
4:16piece of sky that's rising up over the
4:18eastern horizon.
4:19And that's your marker of life. Like
4:22that's your yes, I'm here. I'm saying
4:25yes to this life. I am, you know,
4:27separate from the body that brought me
4:28here, all of that.
4:30>> [snorts]
4:30>> So, your sun sign is like something you
4:32share with people that are born within a
4:3430-day span as you. It's very general.
4:37There's a lot to be gleaned from it, but
4:39it's not your chart. Only your rising
4:42sign can tell us your entry point and
4:45then it sets up the entire chart. It
4:47sets up the meaning of everything else
4:50for you. So, it's like looking at a
4:53sliver of a picture or like even a
4:57a pixel instead of looking at the whole
4:59thing.
5:00>> Mhm.
5:00>> So, yeah, if you are like, I don't want
5:03to be boiled down to a couple of tropes
5:06about my sun sign, I agree with you. I
5:08don't either. That's why I don't even
5:10like talking about my chart in public
5:11because I don't like having people think
5:15that they understand who I am by
5:18something so surface level.
5:20And your chart is so much more complex
5:23than that. I mean, there's like
5:25there's like fractals of fractals that
5:27you can get into of meaning that people
5:30again spent of years developing and like
5:34and and pouring their their life into.
5:37And so, your sun sign is like it's fun
5:40to share. It's very meme-able. It's very
5:43game-able.
5:44Um it's very shareable. And so, it's an
5:47entry point, but it has so little to do
5:51with the reality of what we're actually
5:53looking at when we look at your chart.
5:55>> Yeah, that's relieving.
5:56>> Yeah.
5:57>> That's good. Yeah, it's it's really
5:58helpful because I feel like you're
6:00absolutely right it's shareable, it's
6:02interesting, it's fun to talk about, but
6:04then when you look at how valuable it is
6:08or how accurate it is, naturally it's
6:10never going to feel that way.
6:11>> Yeah.
6:12>> It's the same as a broad personality
6:14test that divides you into four core
6:16personality types. It's like of course
6:18we're far more complex and layered than
6:20that. And we all believe that especially
6:22as we get older. Can you explain you've
6:24been referencing birth chart and chart?
6:26Can you explain
6:28what that birth chart is? I imagine it's
6:30when you're born as you were saying
6:31where everything lands in the sky, but
6:33can you explain how someone can read
6:34that chart? What does that mean to read
6:36someone's birth chart?
6:38>> Yeah, so it's a snapshot of the sky the
6:39moment that you were born from the exact
6:41location and time that you were born.
6:43And everything in it
6:45is in relationship to each other. So
6:48you're actually describing
6:50all of the relationships that make up
6:52your life.
6:53And
6:55it is, you know, you can look at it
6:57through the lens of your personality,
6:59which is one thing. I think it can be
7:01quite reductive when we do that.
7:03But what like ancient or traditional
7:05astrology is more about is looking at
7:08the quality of
7:10each area of your life. Like where can
7:13someone expect to have success, where
7:16can someone expect to have maybe some
7:18difficulty. What are the things that are
7:21like working for them and what are the
7:23things that are going to be a challenge
7:25and therefore
7:27a growth edge and therefore an
7:28opportunity to develop themselves. And
7:31so you can
7:33glean somebody's like nature from it,
7:36but it's really about like, you know, if
7:38someone's struggling to find love in
7:40their life and you look at their chart
7:43and you see like, oh yeah, I can
7:44understand why that's a struggle. It
7:47doesn't mean that they're going to be in
7:48a struggle forever. It means that
7:50they're the chart is going to
7:52distinguish what the thing is and
7:55therefore once we know what the issue
7:58is, we can work more clearly or more
8:01definitively towards the solution for
8:04that thing. And so it can be a really
8:06great aid in terms of like, what's what
8:10is the pain that you're carrying? Like,
8:12what are the things that you're burdened
8:13with in this life?
8:15Your chart will reveal that. And that
8:19can also be a real solace cuz it can
8:22feel sometimes like we have this thing
8:25that's like against us in life. Like,
8:26why does why won't this thing work out
8:28for me? Or why doesn't this
8:29ever kind of take shape for me? And when
8:32you can see it in the chart, you can be
8:34like, oh, okay. That's just a a setup.
8:39But there's other ways to work with that
8:41thing. But I have to know what the issue
8:44is first. And so, I think that astrology
8:47helps us to identify if you have
8:50somebody, you know, adept looking at
8:51your chart, or if you have, you know,
8:53good education around like what it
8:55actually is, then we can use the chart
8:58to really open up those doors for us.
9:01Because without knowing what the issue
9:03is, it's really hard to
9:05try to meet it.
9:06>> Yeah. So, you can do that through
9:07therapy, you can do that through a lot
9:09of different avenues. Again, astrology
9:11is one of them.
9:11>> How much you How much of this is Is it
9:14so important? You just said that the
9:15practitioner needs to be adept.
9:17>> Yeah.
9:18>> And it almost feels like to me that the
9:20recipient needs to be adept as well.
9:22>> Yes.
9:22>> And
9:23>> [laughter]
9:23>> what I What I mean by that What I mean
9:24by that is like I I've always looked at
9:27So, I never studied this, but as part of
9:30my teachings in the monastery, we had
9:34people who practiced Vedic astrology,
9:36mhm, which is thousands and thousands of
9:37years years old. People had incredible
9:40experiences of
9:42uh using There's places in India's where
9:43they use leaves and there's writings on
9:46leaves, there's charts with literally
9:47like strings attached. I mean, it's it's
9:49spectacular the the culture and the
9:51history of it. But what I found was
9:54that, for example, if I know it's going
9:57to rain tomorrow,
9:59and there's an adept weather forecast
10:01with By the way, I don't know who does
10:02good weather forecast anyway. [laughter]
10:04But let's say it's going to rain
10:05tomorrow. As an adept person who's
10:07looking at that forecast, I know
10:09tomorrow I better take my umbrella, my
10:12uh
10:13uh boots that I'm happy to get wet in
10:15the rain and a raincoat. And so it
10:16requires me to adapt to the information.
10:20>> Mhm.
10:20>> Whereas often what I've found today is
10:22when people feel like they're going
10:24through a bad phase or there's something
10:26not working for them. It's kind of like,
10:27"Well, I can't do anything right now cuz
10:29I'm going through a bad phase." And
10:30that's like me saying, "Well, I can't
10:32have fun tomorrow cuz it's going to
10:33rain."
10:33>> Yeah.
10:34>> So talk to me about that and and if I'm
10:35wrong, feel free to correct me. I'm just
10:37sharing it from what I've heard and
10:39seen.
10:39>> Yeah. Yeah, it is the human problem. It
10:42is the human condition, I think, to try
10:45to reduce things down to something
10:47that's simple enough to either
10:50blame life on or to try to like figure
10:54out really quickly. And we also try to,
10:57I think, have one answer for everything.
11:01So, you know, I mean, I get why it's so
11:03annoying cuz everyone will be like, "Oh,
11:05Mercury retrograde." You're like, "No,
11:06that's not what it's about."
11:08>> I mean, [laughter] yeah, but I'm going
11:08to ask you about that in a bit.
11:10>> That's not you can't do that. Like, you
11:11can't blame every or I hear people say,
11:14"Well, you know, I'm a Scorpio." And I'm
11:15like, "That has nothing to do with being
11:17a Scorpio." Like, I I get the desire to
11:20do that, but that's not you're using a
11:23hammer to do everything, and you need a
11:25feather sometimes. And like, you need
11:27different tools. So, yeah, it's um it is
11:32a it's a it's an interesting thing
11:34because when we're going into a time
11:37period looks really complex
11:38astrologically,
11:40you want to hold it with like, "Okay,
11:42this looks like it's going to challenge
11:44us. It looks like it's going to require
11:47a lot of mindfulness from us, and it
11:49looks like it's going to require a lot
11:51of tenacity, and it looks like it's
11:52going to require more from us in general
11:54times."
11:56Great. So, now we know that, so show up
11:59How can I help people show up to that
12:01moment
12:02not
12:04reducing it down to everything's going
12:07to be awful or this is why this is
12:08happening.
12:10Because if we lived in a world where
12:13compassion and you know, thoughtfulness
12:15and community and people's health and
12:18well-being were front and center, then
12:20bad astrology wouldn't be that bad. It's
12:23not the astrology that's making things
12:25bad.
12:26It's revealing or it's it's giving you a
12:28kind of understanding of of again
12:30certain cycles and timings of things.
12:34And so if we can see like well, what
12:35happened the last time this cycle
12:38happened and what what worked, then we
12:40can use it as something that's
12:42empowering.
12:44If astrology isn't empowering, I don't
12:46think you should use it.
12:48>> Mhm.
12:48>> If you feel like astrology is reducing
12:50you to something or freaking you out or
12:52making you paranoid, I don't think it's
12:54working. I think you should put it down
12:56and not pick it up again
12:57>> Mhm.
12:58>> until that passes or maybe for the rest
13:00of your life. Like it should help you to
13:03feel like you're more located and you're
13:07better prepared. Like it's I love the
13:09rain. So if it's going to rain tomorrow,
13:11great. Maybe I can like have, you know,
13:13a moody day where I drink tea and write
13:15in my journal.
13:18That's my fantasy. I have a child, so I
13:19can't do that. [laughter]
13:20>> I love that now.
13:21>> I remember days like that.
13:23>> I love that now.
13:24Uh what's the difference between your
13:26sun, your moon, and your rising? Because
13:29you hear people use this language all
13:30the time.
13:30>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:31>> What's the difference? What does it
13:32mean?
13:32>> Yeah. Well, your rising sign is the
13:35marker of your life. It is the marker of
13:37your yes to life. So it's the marker of
13:40your motivation. It is what you're
13:42motivated to do here in the world. And
13:45it is your yes. It's like, okay, I'm
13:47here. I'm born.
13:49Your sun is how you shine. It's like
13:51part of how you illuminate, how your
13:53soul illuminates things. It's like what
13:56lights you up. And your moon is your
13:58body. Your moon is the physical world.
14:01If you think of the moon as a reflector
14:02of the sun's light, the moon in our
14:06chart reflects the light of our soul,
14:08the light of our sun. And we can only
14:11have this incarnation through the body.
14:14And so it it's the holder, the keeper of
14:17memory. It is about the physical world
14:20and the physical realm and how sacred it
14:22is to have
14:23a body to have incarnated into.
14:26And we get to do our life purpose
14:28through our body a little bit every day.
14:30Come the tiredness and the joy and the
14:33all the things with the body keeps the
14:35score of all of that, so to speak.
14:37>> So when you're reading someone's birth
14:38chart, you're seeing all of these. Could
14:40you give examples of what would fit into
14:42each one for
14:44anyone that you've read before?
14:45Randomly, obviously, you know.
14:47>> Yeah, yeah. Um
14:49Well, like when someone has a Leo
14:52rising, then they're motivated to show
14:54up and really shine in the world.
14:57They're motivated to illuminate
15:00something, to be charming, to be
15:02adorable, to be like a recipient of
15:05people's adoration or attention. But
15:08what it also does, the rising sign gives
15:10you a key to the meaning of your life
15:13because it the planet that rules that
15:15sign
15:16is the planet that steers the ship of
15:18your life. And so if you feel lost, if
15:21you feel like you're not sure what your
15:22purpose is,
15:24one of the quickest ways to understand
15:27it astrologically is to understand where
15:29the planet that rules your rising sign
15:32is.
15:33And so if you're the ruler of your
15:35rising sign is in your 10th house of
15:37career, then
15:38that's it's going to be a major part. If
15:41it's in your sixth house of service,
15:44then maybe your your volunteering is
15:47going to be, you know, it's like where
15:49are the planets located and what job are
15:52they doing? The planet that rules your
15:54ascendant is literally at the helm of
15:57the ship of your life.
15:58And so quite often when I give people
16:00readings and over the years I've given
16:03mostly strangers readings. And you know,
16:05back before Zoom, before the pandemic,
16:08when we were all on Skype, I wouldn't
16:10even see the people. I mean, I guess we
16:12could have cameras, but mostly it was
16:13like I was almost like on the phone with
16:15people. And like all over the world. And
16:18so I didn't know them, I had never seen
16:20them, I don't know anything about you.
16:22I'm just going to read your chart.
16:24I'd start there, and 99% of the time
16:28people would be so relieved to hear that
16:31that's what that was.
16:33Because quite often they hadn't been
16:36fully [snorts] living into it, or it was
16:38just so innate that that's always what
16:40they did, and they're like, "Oh, that's
16:41Yes, that is that thing. That's what
16:43I've always been known for." And so when
16:45you're not living in accordance with
16:48these
16:49these kind of like signs to me in your
16:51chart, if you're not living in
16:52accordance with your purpose,
16:54then everything is going to feel wrong,
16:57and everything's going to feel
16:59misaligned. Like for myself, I never
17:02thought I would write a book. It's not
17:04anything I would ever think of, but
17:07nothing in my life was working.
17:09And I felt so stuck, and I felt so
17:14I felt like such a failure. I felt like
17:15I couldn't figure out my place in the
17:17world.
17:18And [snorts] I started writing, and
17:19people started reading it, and it
17:21started to take off, and I was like,
17:22"What is this? This is wild." And it
17:26wasn't until I started working with my
17:27teacher,
17:29the person who would like really teach
17:31me about the lineage that I practice in,
17:34that I understood how important it was
17:37to follow that mark in my chart, because
17:39the ruler of my ascendant is in the
17:41third house of writing and speaking and
17:42teaching.
17:44But that's nothing I had put together
17:45before. Like you can look at your, you
17:47know, your own chart. You look at
17:48yourself in the mirror, you can read
17:49your You can look at yourself all the
17:51time and not get it.
17:53The beauty of having a therapist or a
17:55guide or a coach or an astrologer,
17:57somebody that's got some wisdom, is that
18:00they hold that third space for you, so
18:03that you can have that kind of
18:04self-reflection.
18:06So, coming to know that like that
18:11natural inkling in me was there
18:14in my chart, gave me the permission to
18:17just fully do it.
18:19>> Yeah.
18:19>> And then everything started to work.
18:22Like
18:23overnight I people started to pass my
18:26stuff around. I met my wife within 6
18:29months. I mean, like things just blew
18:31up. And it was because of that I
18:33remember the moment where she was like,
18:34well, the ruler of your sentence in the
18:36third house and I was like
18:38oh, and it all just clicked. And I'd
18:41always wanted to write, but I never
18:43thought I was smart enough. I didn't
18:44think I was educated enough. I didn't
18:47think I was able to do it.
18:49And it's literally one of the things
18:52that changed my entire life and it's
18:55right there plain as day in my chart and
18:57I didn't see it for like 20 years.
19:00>> Wow.
19:01>> Cuz I started looking at astrology and
19:03understanding my chart at like age 12.
19:05>> Wow.
19:06>> So, but I didn't really I didn't really
19:09know what I was looking cuz I didn't
19:10have traditional astrology.
19:12>> Right, right, right.
19:12>> So, you know, when you meet your teacher
19:14also everything really starts to come
19:17into practice and into place. And so,
19:19when I met my astrology teacher
19:22and she taught me this really ancient
19:24traditional way of doing astrology
19:26it just landed everything and it was
19:29like this whole rubric that was so clear
19:33and so concise and so specific and so
19:36not about my intuition or not about, you
19:39know, what I felt about the chart or
19:41anything like that. Not about like, oh,
19:43I knew this Scorpio once and they did
19:44this. It's like really like, no, if this
19:46is here, this means this.
19:48>> Yeah.
19:49>> Do this and see what happens.
19:51>> So, so you're actually saying that
19:52astrology
19:54is
19:55guiding us when you say purpose.
19:57>> Mhm.
19:58>> But really you're talking about
20:00activity, task
20:01methodology. Like you said, writing,
20:04speaking, teaching.
20:05>> Yeah.
20:05>> I have a lot of friends who say to me
20:07and then not they're not speaking
20:08astrologically, they're just speaking in
20:10self-awareness.
20:11>> Yeah.
20:11>> They're saying, Jay, this is just who I
20:12am. They're like, Jay, you're ambitious,
20:13you're driven.
20:14>> Yeah.
20:15>> You know, I'm not.
20:15>> Yeah.
20:16>> And so, you know, this is just my life.
20:18And I'm like, well, I don't know if I
20:21was always ambitious or driven. I feel
20:22like there were I learned and habits I
20:24developed and there were coaches and
20:26mentors in my life who taught me certain
20:28things and you can build confidence and
20:30you can build skill sets that allow you
20:32to live a better life. And I don't just
20:34mean materially, I mean spiritually as
20:36well.
20:36>> Yeah.
20:36>> And they'll be like, "No, no, no, but
20:38you know, some of us are wired like you
20:39and some of us are not." So,
20:41is that true? Is that
20:43>> I mean, there's I think there's some
20:44truth to that.
20:45>> Okay, so yeah.
20:46>> But I think you can choose to not
20:49rest there, right? Like it's do you what
20:52do you want from this life? It's really
20:54about that. Like are those people happy?
20:56Or are they suffering? Right. [laughter]
20:59>> But are they interested in their
21:01suffering enough to do something to
21:03change it?
21:04And so what I'll look for is is time
21:07periods that will come along and kind of
21:09put the pressure on and be like, this
21:11you're going to If you haven't done your
21:13work, if you haven't individuated, if
21:15you haven't really tried to build
21:17something in yourself
21:20of your own efforts,
21:22then this period of time is going to
21:24really be rough.
21:26>> Mhm.
21:26>> But that's good for you. Like
21:28>> [laughter]
21:29>> you know, like Saturn will come along as
21:31a planet of boundaries and structure and
21:33it will come along and hold you in place
21:36until you figure out how to either
21:40find another way to move or to like lift
21:44the weight that's on you
21:46enough times until you get strong enough
21:48to move it completely.
21:50>> Mhm.
21:51>> And Saturn's a a planet that you can
21:52also look at in terms of your life
21:54cycle. So, Saturn comes along every 7
21:57years and does something really
21:58important. So, at age 7, it comes along
22:00and helps you to distinguish yourself a
22:02little bit from your parents. Helps you
22:04to find like your own And then at age
22:0614, age 14 is usually it's that's called
22:09a Saturn opposition and it's usually a
22:11time where something happens in our life
22:13and you know, we're 14, so it kind of
22:15makes sense psychologically speaking,
22:18but something happens where we're like,
22:20wait a minute, this is what I want, this
22:22is what you want, these are the
22:23expectations you have on me, this is
22:25what And then at 21, we have another one
22:27and it's part of the adult cycle. And
22:29then from 28 to 30, Saturn closes the
22:33loop and we go through something called
22:34a Saturn return.
22:35And that's where we move through our
22:37first really big threshold, where we
22:40move from whatever remnants of being a
22:43child or whatever remnants of being a
22:45young adult kind of like have to trickle
22:48away and we're asked to move and cross a
22:50threshold into our true adulthood and
22:53take responsibility for our decisions
22:56and our actions.
22:58And so if you miss that, if you're like,
23:00"Nah." It's going to be harder and
23:03harder and you'll have like in the next
23:057 years, you'll have another moment of
23:08struggle. And so that like saying the
23:097-year itch is interesting cuz it is
23:12like a Saturn cycle.
23:13>> Yeah. And even in marriage, right? Like
23:15most divorces happen at 5 to 7 years.
23:17>> Oh.
23:18>> Yeah.
23:20>> Yeah, it's that friction point. Mhm.
23:22>> Fascinating. Okay, well, you write in
23:24your book that our chart isn't our fate.
23:27It's an invitation and I think this idea
23:30of fate and free will and you mentioned
23:31it earlier, but what does astrology
23:33believe about fate and free will? Do we
23:36have agency or is everything
23:37predetermined?
23:38>> You and I right now are in this city.
23:41We're not in a city, we're not in
23:43France, we're here.
23:45And so
23:46there's certain conditions here. We
23:48can't do everything here.
23:51But we can do all the things in in this
23:53city that we can do. And so it's the
23:55same with your chart. It's like you're
23:56given a landscape, what do you want to
23:59do with that?
24:01How do you want to approach it?
24:02>> Yeah.
24:03>> And how do you want to work with these
24:05really specific skills in this really
24:07specific setup?
24:09>> Yeah, it's almost like I was born in
24:10London.
24:10>> Yeah.
24:11>> You were born in Canada.
24:12>> Yeah.
24:12>> And that created a certain environment
24:16of what was available, what I was aware
24:18of,
24:19>> Yeah.
24:19>> what was possible.
24:20>> Yeah.
24:21>> But somehow I've ended up in LA, you
24:23lived in LA and you live in New York
24:25now.
24:25>> Yeah.
24:26>> And if someone told me
24:27all the way up until the age of
24:2928,
24:31which is when I moved to New York, if
24:32anyone told me I would ever
24:33>> Better return.
24:34>> Yeah.
24:34>> [laughter]
24:34>> If anyone told me up until that age that
24:36I would ever live in any other place
24:38apart from Northwest London, I wouldn't
24:40have believed it.
24:40>> Wow. Oh, so you left London at 28?
24:43>> I Yeah, I The first time I left was when
24:44I lived in India for a period of my time
24:46as a monk. And then I left when I came
24:49and lived in New York first and then now
24:51LA. And so
24:54the reason I'm bringing that up is to
24:55say that
24:57there is more choice
24:59>> Mhm.
24:59>> and [clears throat] free will and agency
25:01than we sometimes think when you're
25:03looking at astrology and you might
25:05consider everything's predetermined.
25:07>> Yeah, yeah. Like I know, you know, I'll
25:08see like harrowing transits come up for
25:11me and I have to be like I'm not going
25:13to catastrophize this.
25:15But I have to work against it, you know,
25:17it is just a natural human thing. And
25:20then I'll live through it and I'll be
25:21like, "Oh, that was totally different
25:23than I thought, but it's so emblematic
25:25of what it was."
25:27And I absolutely needed to go through
25:29that.
25:31It's always about like distancing
25:33yourself enough from the thing, from
25:36your astrology chart, from the thing
25:38that you're going through so that you
25:40can understand what life is trying to
25:41teach you.
25:43So when people come to me and they're
25:44like really in
25:47trouble or they're really
25:49in a lot of pain sometimes it can help
25:52to be like, "Yeah, this started 6 months
25:54ago and it's going to last for like
25:56another 8 months. You're in the middle
25:58of it. You know what it is. This is it."
26:02Like how else to How do you want to hold
26:03this? How do you want to work with this?
26:05What is this teaching you?
26:07Like this
26:10might be some suffering, but what else
26:12is here to
26:15to teach you? Or what is it here to
26:18teach you? What can you learn? And
26:20if
26:21if I am struggling and I look and see
26:24I'm in a challenging aspect then
26:28I can be like, "Oh, okay. Then it's not
26:30just out of the It doesn't feel random,
26:32I think, for some people.
26:34And so that's the other side of like,
26:36Mercury's retrograde and nothing's going
26:37to work out.
26:38>> [laughter]
26:39>> We don't want to do that.
26:41But we do want to use it and be like,
26:42okay, it's just a time period. It's just
26:44a cycle that we're in, that I'm in.
26:46>> What do you feel, having helped so many
26:48people, being deep into this work?
26:51How have you seen astrology really help
26:53people? Where has it truly changed
26:55people's lives?
26:56>> I think it really truly changes people's
26:58lives when they need the confirmation
27:02that their soul's purpose is what they
27:06think it is.
27:08So,
27:09like I remember when I met my wife, I
27:11refused to look at her astrology chart.
27:13I didn't want to see it. I didn't want
27:15to know. So, I sent her to my teacher.
27:17And she got a reading and my teacher
27:19didn't know anything about her.
27:22Looked at her chart and said, oh,
27:25your your life's work is in the realm of
27:28gender-based violence.
27:29And she was like, yeah. But she was a
27:32banker at the time.
27:34And she wasn't
27:36valuing that part of her work, even
27:38though it was something she had done
27:39since she was 16.
27:41And that reading gave her the kind of
27:45affirmation she needed to
27:48move fully towards it. And it's one
27:51simple thing. You know, it's one thing
27:53that someone says to you.
27:55And it's
27:57quite often at those junctures in our
28:00life, we just need that one thing, that
28:03one person to just hold that little bit
28:05of space for us to say, yeah, you are.
28:08There it is. It's plain as day.
28:11And then you can then you, again, have
28:13to go off and do all the work. Astrology
28:15is not going to do the work for you.
28:16>> Yeah, you have to act on that insight.
28:18>> Yeah, it's
28:18>> But that insight can be so reassuring
28:21and reaffirming, totally, because
28:22>> Yeah.
28:24>> everyone else has been reminding you of
28:25the opposite ever since you were born.
28:26>> Right. We have a lot of obligations. We
28:28have a lot of responsibilities. A lot of
28:30people want us to be a certain way, not
28:33because they're bad people, but just
28:35because of whatever conditions we're in.
28:38And
28:39astrology
28:40is one tool that can help you to
28:44distinguish yourself.
28:46And really see yourself a lot more
28:48clearly.
28:50And so when you do, I think
28:53if you're conscious, then you can take
28:55action.
28:56>> Mhm.
28:56>> Until we have consciousness around
28:58something, we don't really have a lot of
29:00choice.
29:00>> Mhm.
29:01>> But once something comes into awareness
29:04and consciousness, we then have choice.
29:06What am I going to do with this
29:07information? How am I going to act? Is
29:10this mine to do something with? And so
29:12if you need that,
29:14then a a good astrology reading should
29:17be able to give you the shape of
29:20yourself in a in a really clear and
29:23specific way.
29:24>> Mhm.
29:24>> And then you get to choose what you want
29:26to do with that information.
29:28>> Mhm. So many people talk about Saturn
29:30return.
29:31>> Yeah.
29:31>> What is it actually?
29:33>> It's when Saturn comes back to the same
29:35place it was when you were born. And
29:36because Saturn is the planet that
29:40to the naked eye is the last planet in
29:42the in our little solar system,
29:45it was thought as such a big moment
29:48because every 28 years you go through
29:50this closing of a loop. So between the
29:53age of 27-ish, 28, 27 to 30, you go
29:57through this kind of closing of a door
30:00and a threshold experience into a new
30:04stage of life. Saturn is the planet of
30:06responsibility and of
30:09adulthood. And it's also the planet
30:12that's of mortality. It's like, "Hey,
30:14I'm the time lord. Like you don't have
30:16all the time in the world." So at 30,
30:19you should be going through some kind of
30:21crisis. Some kind of like, "Oh, I guess
30:24I'm going to get old, too."
30:25And you should also be doing things
30:29>> [snorts]
30:29>> that require
30:32everything from you. Saturn is a planet
30:34of discipline and hard work. And so this
30:37is the time to put your money where your
30:39mouth is, to like be
30:43in the game fully and to
30:45again own your choice
30:47and to say I chose to do this. And it's
30:50also a planet of separation. So in some
30:53way, shape or form, we usually separate
30:54from our family of origin. Maybe that's
30:56psychologically, maybe it's physically,
31:00maybe we get married, maybe you know,
31:02some kind of big life transition happens
31:04at that time that distinguishes us from
31:07our family of origin. Not that we're not
31:09still part of it and we could still be
31:11living at home even in well and you
31:13know, for the rest of our lives. But
31:14there's something here that's like I
31:16have to build a really solid foundation
31:19in the world
31:21that is mine, that is apart from the
31:24thing that I come from or apart from the
31:26convenience or the comfort of the people
31:29that you know, hopefully you have people
31:31that love you and you can feel like you
31:32can fall back on them. But you need to
31:33understand that you can go out there and
31:35do something for yourself or that you
31:39can separate in the ways that you need
31:41to separate psychologically,
31:43emotionally, sometimes physically,
31:45sometimes monetarily.
31:46>> negative thing at all.
31:47>> really common.
31:48>> why do we talk about it in such a
31:49>> Because the internet.
31:51>> [laughter]
31:51>> Because people are like oh, my Saturn
31:53return was awful.
31:54>> Yeah.
31:55>> And then they blame everything on the
31:56Saturn return.
31:58But a Saturn return should be a time of
32:02of a kind of like again, discipline,
32:04awareness, strictness almost, like
32:07severity sometimes, but also like so
32:11much joy. Like in my Saturn return, I
32:13moved to LA.
32:14>> Yeah.
32:14>> And I was I didn't know anybody here. I
32:17didn't have any money. I didn't have any
32:18contacts. I didn't have anything. And I
32:21was
32:22like elated.
32:24>> Mhm.
32:24>> I really did walk out of my life. I was
32:26living in Toronto. And I I left and I
32:30started this whole new chapter here.
32:33And it was on my own terms and I had to
32:36really prove myself to myself yeah, that
32:39I could do this.
32:41And there were days where I didn't have
32:43anybody to call and there were
32:45financial struggles and I didn't have a
32:48car and like it was a whole thing, but I
32:50did it. And that no one could ever take
32:54that away from me.
32:54>> Yeah. Yeah.
32:55>> And as much as I believe in community
32:57and I believe that we shouldn't live in
32:59an individualistic kind of culture, we
33:02have to do those things that help us
33:05understand what we're made of.
33:07>> Yeah.
33:07>> That help us understand like put me
33:10anywhere and I'll figure it out. That's
33:12how I function at least. And so that
33:14happens at there's a version of that
33:16that happens at seven, at 14, at 21 and
33:18then at like 28-ish, that's the big one.
33:21>> relate to every single thing you just
33:23said.
33:23>> Yeah.
33:24>> Every single thing you said. It's it's
33:26so vivid for me. It's like 14 and I mean
33:29this is small, but
33:31I remember at 14 that's like the age in
33:33England that you decide what you're
33:34going to study for like Like it's it's
33:37an you do it quite early, I assume. So I
33:40remember like fighting with my parents
33:41about what I wanted to focus on and I
33:43won and did what I wanted to do. And
33:45that's when I felt first felt confidence
33:47in who I was and my ability and then 21
33:50going on 22, I decided to go live as a
33:52monk.
33:52>> Oh my god.
33:53>> was a big decision. And then 28, I moved
33:55to New York and I was in New York for
33:57two years going through exactly what you
33:58said when you moved to LA.
34:00>> Yeah.
34:01>> And it's amazing how that tracks and 38,
34:04so I've been through 35 as well.
34:06>> Yeah.
34:06>> Um which
34:08>> Yeah, you plant
34:09>> amazing year, but
34:10>> You plant a seed at the Saturn return
34:12cycle of your own selfhood, of your own
34:15adulthood.
34:16>> Yeah.
34:16>> You're like, I'm going to stake a claim
34:18here. Maybe this is hard, maybe it
34:20sucks, maybe I'm lonely.
34:21>> Yeah. Yeah.
34:22>> But I'm doing this.
34:23>> Yep.
34:23>> And this is my choice. And then by the
34:25time you get to 36, you're at that next
34:28first quarter square and you get to see
34:30what worked.
34:32>> Wow.
34:32>> Like what from that seed that you
34:34planted at around 30 is growing.
34:37>> Right.
34:37>> And then you're like, okay, I'm either
34:38going to double down on that now
34:41or it's not a viable option. And so it's
34:44this really
34:45I think really helpful kind of growth
34:47cycle.
34:47>> so important because we almost look at
34:49all the wrong ages.
34:51>> Yeah.
34:52>> [laughter]
34:52>> Uh like if you look at the material take
34:54on it, it's like we look always we look
34:55at like 16 or 18 becoming an 18 becoming
34:59an adult. Like sweet 16 birthday, 18
35:02becoming an adult. 21 sure you graduate,
35:04so that feels on track. But then it
35:06almost was like after 21 no one cares.
35:08And then it's like I'm 30 and I'm 40 and
35:10then you're just scared about
35:12>> Yeah, and then you're like crisis.
35:13>> decade. Yeah, so it's it's less about
35:16growth, it's less about I I loved what
35:19you were saying about how like from 28
35:21to 30 that whole idea was I'm locking
35:23in, I choose what I focus on,
35:25the discipline, the grit. I mean I can
35:27relate to every single one of those
35:29things.
35:29>> I have to put I have to invest in
35:31myself. So we're talking about those
35:32people earlier that maybe have a really
35:35easy situation.
35:37If they don't do that Saturn return
35:39thing, and they just kind of fall back
35:42on what's easy, then at 36 it gets
35:45harder, and then again at like the early
35:4840s it does too. And it's is Saturn is
35:51also this like market can feel
35:53depressive.
35:55Until again you kind of start to work
35:57towards well, what is the discipline
35:59that I need in order to do this? But
36:02some of us really like thrive on
36:04discipline, and some of us [laughter]
36:06really have a hard time with it.
36:08You know, there are signatures in the
36:09chart. I have I have some friends like
36:11this that they're just so good at having
36:13fun. And so it's hard to like gather
36:16them and to like help them to focus.
36:20Because part of the signature of their
36:22life is to like enjoy things.
36:24And then you have to kind of like work
36:27against that somewhat.
36:28>> Yeah. So if someone's about to enter
36:30their Saturn return,
36:32what would you recommend they do?
36:34>> Do the things that are hard that are
36:36going to that are going to require
36:37everything from you that are going to be
36:41worthwhile in the long run.
36:43Like what is going to be satisfying to
36:45you 7 years from now? Do not think about
36:48instant gratification. Do not This is
36:51not a social media game. Like this is
36:54about
36:55if you only had 7 years left, what would
36:58you do?
37:00Like what do you want to make sure
37:01you've left here?
37:03And what would move you deeper into your
37:06integrity?
37:08So that you were proud of even having
37:11attempted it.
37:13And if it's not that serious, then it's
37:16not really either part of your Saturn
37:19return or it's not going to last for
37:20that long.
37:22>> [snorts]
37:22>> And so if you It's a lot of times people
37:24will get to that age and you'll start to
37:26see their life crack because they've
37:29spent their 20s in an industry that
37:32maybe wasn't industry of their dreams or
37:34that took everything from them and they
37:36realized it's not really their calling.
37:39And so they've been locked in this maybe
37:41like corporate thing or they've been
37:42locked in this other, you know,
37:44relationship and you start to feel the
37:46cracks show at around 28, 29, 30.
37:50And so this is your chance. This is like
37:53a portal of time. I mean, any day is
37:55your chance, but this is a time where
37:56the pressure
37:58and the gravity of what doesn't feel
38:00good in your life will become really
38:03acute.
38:04So if you're fearing your Saturn return,
38:08you're actually fearing the truth of
38:10your situation.
38:12And you're fearing confronting
38:15what you actually need to do
38:17and the work it will take to do it.
38:19And that's fine. You can fear it,
38:22but you can also just like embrace it
38:25and move into it. And and be okay with I
38:30think you also have to be okay with
38:32being alone, going it alone.
38:34You have to be okay with doing something
38:37that wasn't expected.
38:38You have to be okay with disappointing
38:40people. And it's a time where you're
38:42supposed to learn about boundaries.
38:45And so if you can't have a boundary with
38:49yourself,
38:50which is to say, I will not abandon
38:53myself,
38:55then it's going to be really rough. But,
38:57if you promise that you will not abandon
39:00yourself, you will not abandon your
39:01gifts and your talents and your inner
39:04knowing,
39:05then the Saturn return will really set
39:07you on a course that feels like
39:10liberation.
39:11Because it's stripping you down and
39:14being like, it's this or it's going to
39:18be
39:19Like, what pain do you want to choose?
39:21You want to choose the pain of choosing
39:22the thing you know you need to choose,
39:24or do you want to choose the pain of
39:25denying that?
39:27And that's kind of the crossroads that
39:29the Saturn return finds us at.
39:31>> You have totally redefined my
39:32perspective of Saturn return.
39:34>> [laughter]
39:35>> Oh, good.
39:35>> Really. And it's so much more powerful
39:36as well. It's so
39:37>> Yeah, it is. It's so powerful.
39:39>> so empowering. It's so clear. It's so
39:42It's so It better than It's so
39:45clarifying.
39:46>> Mhm.
39:46>> I know you have completely expanded my
39:48viewpoint, opened my mind in an
39:50incredible way,
39:52and answered so many
39:54hopefully not stupid questions, but
39:57I've learned so much and and I really am
40:00so happy that for your success and your
40:02ability to help so many people because I
40:05can easily tell from sitting with you
40:08for the past couple of hours that
40:10everything you're doing is coming from a
40:12great place, but also is truly trying to
40:15guide people towards their greatness and
40:17their best self and you know, through
40:20through all the amazing teachings and
40:21studies and research that you've done.
40:23So, thank you so much.
40:24>> so much.
40:25>> Such a joy.
40:26We end every episode of On Purpose with
40:28a final five.
40:29>> Yes.
40:29>> These questions have to be answered in
40:30one word or one sentence maximum.
40:32>> Okay.
40:33>> You have a sentence. [laughter]
40:34You have a sentence.
40:35>> Okay.
40:35>> Uh so, Chani Nicholas, these are your
40:37final five. The first question is, what
40:39is the best advice you've ever heard or
40:42received?
40:43>> If you choose it,
40:45do not feel sorry for yourself about it.
40:49Your agency is your greatest gift and
40:51your greatest power. The moment you feel
40:54sorry for yourself,
40:55you
40:57decouple yourself. You do yourself the
40:59greatest disservice.
41:01If you choose it,
41:03do not feel sorry for yourself about
41:04what it takes to make it happen.
41:07You can unchoose it,
41:08>> [snorts]
41:08>> but if you're choosing it,
41:10this is what it is.
41:11Do you still want it?
41:12>> Such a great answer. I love that.
41:14>> So many questions. So many questions.
41:15>> that was great. That was great. I love
41:16it.
41:17>> [laughter]
41:17>> Second question, what is the worst
41:18advice you've ever heard or received?
41:21>> Someone telling me they didn't know how
41:23I was ever going to find love.
41:24>> Mhm.
41:25>> I don't know if that's advice, but yeah.
41:27>> Um question number four,
41:30what's a misconception about astrology
41:33that you'd like to debunk?
41:36>> That there are certain signs that are
41:39good or bad.
41:40>> They're all bad.
41:42>> [laughter]
41:42>> Yes, THEY'RE ALL PROBLEMATIC.
41:47>> EXPLAIN. [laughter]
41:48WHICH ONE'S THE RIGHT ANSWER?
41:49>> WELL, everyone every single sign is an
41:52archetype. So, the archetype is both has
41:56qualities of both like magnificence and
41:59horror because they're reflective of us.
42:03So, everyone's a problematic fave.
42:05>> [laughter]
42:06>> Uh fifth and final question. We ask this
42:08to every guest who's ever been on the
42:09show. If you could create one law that
42:12everyone in the world had to follow,
42:14what would it be?
42:15>> I've listened to a lot of your episodes,
42:17but I don't remember this question.
42:18>> Oh, it's always last.
42:19>> Okay.
42:20>> Fair.
42:20>> Cuz I haven't finished it.
42:21>> living Yeah, exactly. [laughter]
42:23That's what I'm learning, Shani.
42:24>> Yeah.
42:26The law is that everybody's child is
42:29yours.
42:30>> Mhm.
42:31I love that answer. That's a great
42:33answer. Never had that before. That's
42:35brilliant.
42:35>> Mhm.
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