#001 - 제니｜JENNIE｜고급스러운 영어로 털어놓은 제니의 진짜 이야기 — Transcript

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1. 0:00Music is coming out. How do you feel
2. 0:01about that?
3. 0:02Excited, you know, mostly excited
4. 0:06and it's been a little crazy with
5. 0:09the last little push for the album, but
6. 0:11every day I'm just like reminding myself
7. 0:13this is the moment that I've been
8. 0:14waiting for to so like enjoy it as much
9. 0:17as I can.
10. 0:22Taking it all the way to the very end
11. 0:23cuz we kept getting versions of of music
12. 0:25obviously super under lock and key. And
13. 0:28and they make it everyone was very clear
14. 0:29not final. Not final.
15. 0:32It's like 3 days ago another version not
16. 0:33final. I'm like you know Genie is
17. 0:35pushing this to the very end. This is
18. 0:38fire. She's literally in the studio till
19. 0:404:00 in the morning like it's not done.
20. 0:43Literally?
21. 0:44Literally.
22. 0:46So what How do you feel now it is? Was
23. 0:48it hard to let it go? Was it hard to to
24. 0:50say okay it has to go it has to be
25. 0:52finished at some point?
26. 0:54I think that was the biggest lesson that
27. 0:57I might have learned off of this album
28. 0:58is that knowing how to stop and
29. 1:02kind of limiting myself some time to
30. 1:05accomplish something and I'm not used to
31. 1:08that kind of environment so
32. 1:10definitely.
33. 1:11Must have been really nice actually to
34. 1:12start a process and do some real
35. 1:14diligence some real work into what you
36. 1:17want to say and who you want to say it
37. 1:19with. And success and and pace are
38. 1:22great. But it must have been really nice
39. 1:24to start this and just know you had some
40. 1:26time.
41. 1:27Because I'm also so used to
42. 1:30just going and after
43. 1:34just keep going.
44. 1:36Um like you said when I first started
45. 1:38working on the album was like wow I have
46. 1:40a whole year like last you know I have
47. 1:42all the time and then once I got in the
48. 1:44studio for the first time that's when I
49. 1:46was like oh my god I'm already running
50. 1:49out of time and this is like a year
51. 1:51before this.
52. 1:52I'm so glad you said that cuz I was
53. 1:53thinking this album covers so much of
54. 1:55who you are for the first time it says
55. 1:57so much about who you are from the fight
56. 1:59to the fragility, from the beginning
57. 2:01right to the very end. You must have got
58. 2:03in there and just been like, "How do I
59. 2:04make sense of all of this?"
60. 2:06I was first of all very shocked. And
61. 2:10I didn't realize I didn't realize how
62. 2:13much I've been distanced from myself
63. 2:16throughout the years. So, I really got
64. 2:18to The greatest part of this solo
65. 2:22project for me was that I had time with
66. 2:24myself. And I never had time for myself.
67. 2:28Um which was great. So, you know, I
68. 2:30really got to dig deep inside of
69. 2:33who I am and what I am and you know, all
70. 2:37the
71. 2:38self-reflecting times.
72. 2:41Um and that's how the album That's
73. 2:43That's how the album was made by really
74. 2:46just understanding me better.
75. 2:48It's real work that.
76. 2:49Oh, so much. And the most difficult.
77. 2:52Like it was nothing was easy.
78. 2:54Um so many new emotions that I got to
79. 2:56learn. And throughout that, it it needed
80. 3:00so much energy. And I I didn't realize
81. 3:03that to me it was
82. 3:05um mostly like, "What kind of words do I
83. 3:08want to put in? What kind of sound do I
84. 3:09want?" I didn't realize walking into the
85. 3:11studio was more about what knowing what
86. 3:14I want what I really want.
87. 3:16All of it as well. Not just like working
88. 3:18with someone who gets you on the day.
89. 3:20Mhm.
90. 3:21And it's like, "Oh, we've got a good
91. 3:22vibe here. This is a cool track." It's
92. 3:24like, "No, no, no, no. Every step on
93. 3:25this record has to tell another part
94. 3:27Mhm.
95. 3:28of your story." And
96. 3:29you're right. I think
97. 3:31when people say I'm working really hard,
98. 3:33work is a distraction from self-work.
99. 3:34Mhm.
100. 3:35So, when it's like, "Who am I actually?"
101. 3:38Hard to work
102. 3:39Mhm.
103. 3:40in a lot of ways.
104. 3:41No, definitely.
105. 3:42We don't get a song like Twin without
106. 3:43that. And we're going to
107. 3:45We're going to get to that.
108. 3:46god.
109. 3:47Yeah, it's a real one. And I think, you
110. 3:48know, a lot of people will respond to
111. 3:50the honesty on that. But we got to start
112. 3:52somewhere else. And um the album's
113. 3:54called Ruby.
114. 3:54Mhm.
115. 3:55And And it's it's one part of a longer
116. 3:57name that became a part of your identity
117. 3:59if the story is correct when you were
118. 4:00young. And you were trying to figure out
119. 4:02who you were. Tell us the story behind
120. 4:04behind that. You were in New Zealand at
121. 4:06the time or this is even earlier than
122. 4:07that?
123. 4:07This is when I wasn't living in New
124. 4:09Zealand and back then
125. 4:12um
126. 4:14I guess
127. 4:15I I guess in the back of my mind when I
128. 4:17was like 11 knew that I want to create
129. 4:21this identity for myself. Like Jenny
130. 4:23wasn't doing justice for me and I was
131. 4:25like
132. 4:26I want a longer name. So that's how it
133. 4:28was created. What I didn't realize over
134. 4:32time was I almost manifested this
135. 4:34throughout my years. Like I knew who I
136. 4:36wanted to be at very young age on and
137. 4:39then it was just a matter of what's
138. 4:42going to make you realize.
139. 4:45So that's also one of the reasons why I
140. 4:48landed and I
141. 4:50picked the name Ruby for this album. But
142. 4:52there's just so much inspiration behind
143. 4:54that, too. It's not really only about
144. 4:57me representing myself, but um
145. 5:02to me
146. 5:04it felt like a new chapter opening and I
147. 5:07wanted to I really spent my time
148. 5:10referencing many different things about
149. 5:13the album and that's when the play of as
150. 5:15you like it by Shakespeare came in.
151. 5:18Instantly when I saw the title As You
152. 5:21Like It, it just spoke to me so much in
153. 5:23a way I was like, "Wow, I don't know
154. 5:26what I like." You know, on the same
155. 5:28subject as before. So
156. 5:31I told myself, "I'm going to make this
157. 5:33album as I like it. I don't care what
158. 5:36anyone else is going to say about it."
159. 5:38So that's that's where it began and
160. 5:41since I started
161. 5:42I got to jump in on that. I actually
162. 5:44Now, that's profound. That's a huge
163. 5:46moment. That's a huge moment for you
164. 5:48because you're immediately from what
165. 5:50you're telling me, it feels like
166. 5:51divorcing yourself, removing any
167. 5:52previous expectations or successes and
168. 5:55putting it really squarely in a very
169. 5:57simple phrase.
170. 5:59Mhm.
171. 6:00Does it move me? I want to talk about
172. 6:01the manifestation side of it a little
173. 6:02bit more.
174. 6:03Mhm.
175. 6:03How old were you when you moved to New
176. 6:05Zealand?
177. 6:05Um I was nine.
178. 6:08On your own?
179. 6:08I was nine on my own. So, I recently
180. 6:11found out that my mom spent two months
181. 6:14with me in the beginning of my trip.
182. 6:16Wow, and you didn't remember that? She
183. 6:18reminded you of that.
184. 6:19What I how I remembered it was I went to
185. 6:22New Zealand, I was crying for two days,
186. 6:25and then I suddenly
187. 6:28um
188. 6:30stopped crying on the third day and
189. 6:31enjoyed my life there since then, ever
190. 6:33since then. That's how I remem-
191. 6:35remembered it. And my mom told me, "No,
192. 6:37no, no, I was with you for the first two
193. 6:40months, and then the two days were when
194. 6:42she left back to Korea."
195. 6:44Wow! Isn't it crazy how we
196. 6:46compartmentalize these things and
197. 6:47remember them? It's a survival
198. 6:49mechanism.
199. 6:50I know. I was I was very shocked when I
200. 6:52heard this.
201. 6:52It's a wild story because and and we're
202. 6:54going to play catch up very quickly, but
203. 6:56I haven't had This is the first time
204. 6:57we've met. And and the story is just so
205. 6:59interesting to me that you would make
206. 7:00the decision ultimately when given the
207. 7:01opportunity to live in New Zealand on
208. 7:04your own in order to learn a new
209. 7:06language, understand things better. Is
210. 7:08this all part of the same manifestation?
211. 7:10Was this part of the plan looking back
212. 7:11on it now that you maybe didn't even
213. 7:12realize that you felt you needed these
214. 7:14building blocks?
215. 7:15Mhm.
216. 7:15Wow.
217. 7:16Which also tells me how much um
218. 7:19my mom has been such a big supporter of
219. 7:21mine. She, you know, from a young age we
220. 7:24traveled a lot. And when when I was
221. 7:27nine, that's we were traveling around
222. 7:30Australia and New Zealand. And just the
223. 7:32fact that she wanted me to have an open
224. 7:35eye for the world, not just in Korea, is
225. 7:38is also very rare in in a Korean
226. 7:40culture.
227. 7:41So hard as well for any parent in any
228. 7:43culture to say goodbye to their children
229. 7:44at that age. Such an an important age
230. 7:47for the bonding of parent and children.
231. 7:49To say, "I understand you have a desire
232. 7:51to be elsewhere to learn something new."
233. 7:52Huge. That's huge.
234. 7:53You know, every day I'm so grateful that
235. 7:55I had my mom with me the whole time. And
236. 7:58maybe the fact that she named me Jenny
237. 8:01in Korean is a very also rare thing for
238. 8:05for a Korean name. It's a Korean rare
239. 8:07Korean name. So, I'm almost like, wait,
240. 8:10was my mom a part of this manifestation
241. 8:12with me the whole entire time and I
242. 8:14didn't know?
243. 8:15Yeah.
244. 8:15Yeah.
245. 8:16Being unique is awesome as you grow
246. 8:18older and your identity becomes your own
247. 8:19and you're like, hey, I'm Genie, that's
248. 8:21rare. My story is rare. There's all
249. 8:23these rare things about everybody. But
250. 8:25when you're a kid and you trying to sort
251. 8:26of find your place in society and in
252. 8:29life, those things can sometimes feel
253. 8:31about isolating. Was it hard knowing
254. 8:33what you wanted out of life while your
255. 8:34friends and your peers were just being
256. 8:35kids?
257. 8:36Maybe maybe towards the end and maybe
258. 8:40that's why I knew that's when I needed
259. 8:42to go back to Korea was because I knew
260. 8:45that
261. 8:46my life my my school life in New Zealand
262. 8:49isn't
263. 8:50what I want in my life at that point
264. 8:52when when I was 14. So, I think I knew
265. 8:55the limits pretty pretty early and and
266. 9:00yeah, so I got to make my decision.
267. 9:02You know, you obviously have an
268. 9:04incredible and a strength. Um,
269. 9:06and and there's also a side of you which
270. 9:08is there's a sensitivity to the way that
271. 9:10that your fans and people see you,
272. 9:12right? It's like this really interesting
273. 9:14paradox between strength and
274. 9:16vulnerability, I feel, makes up your
275. 9:18music. It's really evident here. Is that
276. 9:21does do you recognize that is is that is
277. 9:22that a good sort of observation in terms
278. 9:24of your personality that there's this
279. 9:26fierce side to you but also the side of
280. 9:27you that's kind of
281. 9:29sensitive.
282. 9:30I think that's one of the things that
283. 9:32was a struggle for me last year was
284. 9:35understanding that balance of
285. 9:37vulnerability and and the braveness that
286. 9:39I have.
287. 9:40Um, I kind of now wanted to really give
288. 9:43time and understand
289. 9:45what triggers me that way and what makes
290. 9:47me feel both things and
291. 9:50and learning about
292. 9:54um, vulnerability is is
293. 9:57I think the closer you understand that
294. 10:00emotion, the braver you become because
295. 10:02now you know, so there's nothing to
296. 10:04fear.
297. 10:05Uh, afraid of.
298. 10:07And when you listen back to this album,
299. 10:10do those emotions rise to the surface
300. 10:11still? Because this album means so much
301. 10:13to you that we will never truly
302. 10:15understand cuz of the journey you've
303. 10:16been on.
304. 10:17I don't know. Like, it's it's
305. 10:18interesting cuz now that I'm almost at
306. 10:21the end of my album.
307. 10:22It's not finished yet. What are you
308. 10:23doing?
309. 10:25I'm crazy.
310. 10:26Not final. Not final.
311. 10:32You're killing us out here.
312. 10:33I know. I mean, the the fact that that I
313. 10:35still see something, that I hear
314. 10:37something, it's
315. 10:38I I am pretty amazed at myself, but you
316. 10:41know, that's how dedicated I am. That's
317. 10:43how sincere I am. And
318. 10:45I'm I like to believe I'm I live with no
319. 10:49regrets, and I live my life to the
320. 10:52fullest um even when it comes to any
321. 10:54other things in life. So, I just want to
322. 10:57feel that way once
323. 10:59when it's March 7th.
324. 11:00You're an adventurer. I mean, you can't
325. 11:01be 9 years old and travel on your own to
326. 11:03New Zealand and figure out figure out
327. 11:04your way in a foreign country and try to
328. 11:06understand who you are and who you want
329. 11:07to be unless you have a desire for
330. 11:09adventure, right? You've seen so much
331. 11:11and experienced so much already. What
332. 11:13was it like not traveling and just I
333. 11:17mean, I'm sure you traveled in the
334. 11:17process of making the record, but it's a
335. 11:18different kind of travel. Was it how did
336. 11:21it feel to stop?
337. 11:22Well, surprisingly, I still managed to
338. 11:25be traveling.
339. 11:27But, um I did spend a lot of time out
340. 11:30here in LA for the first time in my
341. 11:32life, and um I really got to experience
342. 11:35the city and people out here. You know,
343. 11:38I'm I'm learning. Like, it it it started
344. 11:41it off amazingly, and then the more I
345. 11:45spent time, I'm just being more
346. 11:47attached, and there are things that I
347. 11:49like and don't like now. So, I think it
348. 11:52I can surely say now I have like LA is a
349. 11:57space in my heart, a home kind of vibe.
350. 11:59What was the first song that you feel
351. 12:01began to unlock the identity of this
352. 12:03album and and really made you realize,
353. 12:05you know, all this work I've done up to
354. 12:07this point is going to matter?
355. 12:09It's Zen.
356. 12:10Huge. One of my favorites, hands down.
357. 12:12Thank you.
358. 12:13I love
359. 12:14that.
360. 12:14Thank you.
361. 12:15surprised you it was a Lucy. I was like,
362. 12:16"That's a smasher." And you were like,
363. 12:17"No, here's the video." Moving on.
364. 12:19Moving on. I was like, "Well, this album
365. 12:20had to be serious cuz that's a killer."
366. 12:22It I love that track and I and I and I
367. 12:24love the intensity you've built around
368. 12:26that concept. You haven't leaned into
369. 12:28what it looks like on paper. You've
370. 12:30created your own version of almost like
371. 12:31fights in.
372. 12:32Mhm. Well, with Zen there is so much to
373. 12:35talk about, but when Zen came along,
374. 12:38that's that's when I knew
375. 12:40oh, my album is Ruby and it's happening.
376. 12:44And and that was maybe like 6 months
377. 12:48into spending time at the studio every
378. 12:50day.
379. 12:50Oh my god, that's really that's tough
380. 12:52after 6 months wondering like when am I
381. 12:54going to get an answer?
382. 12:55Mhm. Every month just got more harder as
383. 12:59time went by. I felt more an- anxious. I
384. 13:02felt, you know,
385. 13:04I felt like something was coming chasing
386. 13:06after me when this is something that I
387. 13:09started. So, I started, you know, I lost
388. 13:12myself in in my head and then I met this
389. 13:15amazing writer called Bibi. She played a
390. 13:17very big role um for my album. She
391. 13:20really opened up to me and I learned to
392. 13:23open myself up to her and we just had a
393. 13:25great time and and that's when Zen Zen
394. 13:28came along and it after many
395. 13:29conversations that I had with her about
396. 13:32our true motivation, our inspirations,
397. 13:35and our just life, we clicked pretty
398. 13:38quickly and
399. 13:40and and then yeah, and then with the
400. 13:42message and the words and and Zen is
401. 13:46was done in such a delicate way. It was
402. 13:49made in such a delicate way, but but to
403. 13:53be expressing it in such a loud
404. 13:56Yeah, fierce way. I think that's that
405. 13:59kind of represents who I am.
406. 14:01Yeah, that's that There it is, the fight
407. 14:02and fragility again. It's that paradox,
408. 14:03right? It's that paradox of those two
409. 14:05things. I know that you are a committed,
410. 14:08curiously spiritual human. I know you're
411. 14:11searching for holistic ways to stay
412. 14:13balanced all the time. And uh I want
413. 14:16talk a little bit about that side of
414. 14:18your life. Because it seems to me that
415. 14:20not just physical health, which is a
416. 14:22part of training and working out and
417. 14:24staying fit for the stage and doing all
418. 14:26those things, but you understand the
419. 14:27importance of inner health as well. When
420. 14:30did that sort of start to become a
421. 14:32priority for you?
422. 14:33I think it's something that I've always
423. 14:34been curious about and something that
424. 14:38was on my mind telling myself like you
425. 14:41need to learn about this, but I just
426. 14:43never had the time and there wasn't
427. 14:45people around me who understand that
428. 14:48world of
429. 14:49um our inner inner mental health.
430. 14:52And I think that's maybe what it was
431. 14:54kind of
432. 14:56not dragging me, but frustrating myself
433. 15:00throughout some years and during
434. 15:01pandemic and over COVID is when I was
435. 15:05forced to be at home and learn about
436. 15:08myself a little bit. And as soon as that
437. 15:11space opened, the first thing I wanted
438. 15:13to understand and know about this life
439. 15:16was
440. 15:17why do I feel this way? What is this
441. 15:20negative feeling? Where is it coming
442. 15:22from? And then from there, you know,
443. 15:24It's so big. That's the biggest one
444. 15:26ever. When you get that feeling and you
445. 15:27you're not quite sure, the first thing
446. 15:29that you have to ask yourself, at least
447. 15:30in my experience, is what is that
448. 15:32feeling and where is it coming from in
449. 15:34my life? Like if I can pinpoint the
450. 15:36moment
451. 15:37where I think I can connect that, I have
452. 15:39a better understanding of what's driving
453. 15:41it.
454. 15:41Mhm. So that's that was the moment
455. 15:44um that I remember distinctly when I
456. 15:47started learning about it and then from
457. 15:49then on it was a whole new world opened
458. 15:51up and and that's why I'm here feeling
459. 15:55strong and confident and healthy is
460. 15:58because of those times.
461. 15:59Yeah, where are you getting your
462. 16:00information from? Not just listening to
463. 16:01yourself, but
464. 16:03are there books that you've been
465. 16:04reading? Are there podcasts? I mean,
466. 16:06that
467. 16:07that's a lifelong pursuit trying to
468. 16:08better understand through the teachers
469. 16:10how we can live with more balance.
470. 16:12I think back then I didn't even realize
471. 16:14that I needed uh uh, anyone to
472. 16:17teach me or or or give me information on
473. 16:20it. I was still at my wondering phase.
474. 16:23So, the more I started talking to people
475. 16:26about it and making friends that
476. 16:28understand
477. 16:29who um, when I say, you know, I'm
478. 16:31struggling. I'm not sick, but I'm
479. 16:34struggling inside. How do I fix it?
480. 16:36Like, the more I got to meet more people
481. 16:38around the world and make friends,
482. 16:41that's when I
483. 16:43That's when also I realized you know, I
484. 16:46grew up in New Zealand. I went to school
485. 16:48there. So, there's still a side of me
486. 16:50where, you know, I'm just a kid in New
487. 16:52Zealand and
488. 16:55I'm I'm from a
489. 16:57multi-multicultural
490. 17:00background. And you know, I grew up with
491. 17:03the Blackpink girls. I'm so used to
492. 17:06um, being inspired by different cultural
493. 17:08people. And I think I started
494. 17:12to be Once I started understanding, I
495. 17:15became less shy of a person when I talk
496. 17:17to people and things like that. Just
497. 17:19meeting people over the years, meeting
498. 17:22the right people
499. 17:23was what helped me a lot throughout,
500. 17:27yeah.
501. 17:27Did you feel
502. 17:29like you had to be the leader when
503. 17:30Blackpink
504. 17:32began? Not because you were given that
505. 17:34job, or because you even wanted that
506. 17:36job, but just because of the life you'd
507. 17:38already lived, having lived away on your
508. 17:41own, learned to deal with things on your
509. 17:43own up to a certain point. Did you feel
510. 17:45protective of the band? Like there was a
511. 17:47role that you just fell into?
512. 17:49Up to these days, Blackpink don't have
513. 17:53like an official leader, which is
514. 17:55um, not common for the a K-pop group.
515. 17:59Is I think also back then
516. 18:03there was a side of me where I thought
517. 18:07I know this so well. I know what to do.
518. 18:09I I know I I know I know I know how to
519. 18:10do it.
520. 18:11Let me do it. I got this. I got this.
521. 18:13But yeah, I like I was there was a side
522. 18:15of me that tells me that all the time
523. 18:17and and back at the training days, but
524. 18:20um
525. 18:21I don't think that necessarily made me
526. 18:23think like
527. 18:24for everyone like I need to lead, but
528. 18:27just because I was going um
529. 18:30on a clear path, it was easier for rest
530. 18:33of the girls to kind of see maybe where
531. 18:36where she's taking and and luckily they
532. 18:39liked it.
533. 18:40Um but yeah, when it came to like roles,
534. 18:43I think the four of us compliment each
535. 18:45other so well.
536. 18:47That is very much at the heart of the
537. 18:48success. Like songs come and go. Shows
538. 18:51come and go. Relationships and chemistry
539. 18:53is what people believe in. The human
540. 18:55experience and it's clear the four of
541. 18:57you have each other's back. It's hard
542. 18:58for me not to hear a song like Start A
543. 19:00War and think that that's part of it.
544. 19:02Like I think the inspiration behind that
545. 19:05song is really about um
546. 19:08reminding the person of
547. 19:11someone that you want to protect and
548. 19:13could be anyone. It could be your
549. 19:15friend, your family, your
550. 19:17love. Uh it could be anything that you
551. 19:19want to protect for it, but it the
552. 19:21lyrics of that song speaks to me so much
553. 19:23because every time in different
554. 19:25situation you think of different people
555. 19:27that you want to protect and it makes
556. 19:28you feel more full inside.
557. 19:30This is such a a great opportunity to
558. 19:32talk about this body of work. You know,
559. 19:33this is a real sort of uh this is a this
560. 19:35is your your personal manifest manifesto
561. 19:38of everything you've learned up to this
562. 19:39point. Um and that's been a lot. You've
563. 19:42learned an enormous amount of already.
564. 19:44What was the one thing that that you
565. 19:46learned about yourself during the making
566. 19:48of this record that was the most
567. 19:50valuable to you in the long term in your
568. 19:52life?
569. 19:53Understanding my value and
570. 19:56and
571. 19:57believing in that is for my for me that
572. 20:00was the biggest learning
573. 20:02um because
574. 20:05now I'm not afraid to
575. 20:08it
576. 20:09challenge myself because I know
577. 20:13I'm I Well, this is like what I tell
578. 20:15myself. This is my mantra like, you
579. 20:17know,
580. 20:18um the things to tell myself that I love
581. 20:20myself, that I'm worth it, that I'm so
582. 20:22proud of myself, and things like that is
583. 20:25is something that I've never experienced
584. 20:27before, and that's my motivation. My
585. 20:30biggest motivation is
586. 20:32um accomplishing what I dream of, and
587. 20:36you know, what
588. 20:37that's the most fun part. So, I want to
589. 20:40say, yeah, understanding my value was
590. 20:42the biggest lesson.
591. 20:43Perfect. So, what was driving you before
592. 20:46you came to that conclusion? Are you any
593. 20:47closer to understanding what was
594. 20:49motivating you even from a young age? To
595. 20:52want to reach people and make people
596. 20:53happy, but ultimately, you knew the work
597. 20:56that was it was going to take.
598. 20:57Mhm.
599. 20:58And the trade
600. 20:59Mhm.
601. 20:59Dude, what was what was driving you?
602. 21:01That's I I should ask myself. What, you
603. 21:05know, what was it before? But over time,
604. 21:10um
605. 21:11I the more I realize
606. 21:15about
607. 21:17um myself
608. 21:19and the motive that I have for with
609. 21:22music, and who I am as an artist, and
610. 21:25how I want to change the world in my own
611. 21:27way, things like that
612. 21:31I guess was it in deep side of my heart
613. 21:34that I I couldn't hear, but um
614. 21:38I think that was my motivation.
615. 21:39And having done that having done that
616. 21:41now for some time, having seen the the
617. 21:43the
618. 21:44the success you can have by making
619. 21:45people happy.
620. 21:47Mhm.
621. 21:48What's that feeling like for people who
622. 21:50don't get to go on stages and and see
623. 21:53the reaction that people have when
624. 21:55you're up there and
625. 21:56The bigger, the merrier, first of all.
626. 21:58Like, once you're up there feeling
627. 22:00everyone's energy just focusing on you,
628. 22:02I think that's just a blessing to have
629. 22:04felt that, like you said. Um but I
630. 22:08didn't realize the meaning of
631. 22:11um I'm influenced I'm influencing them
632. 22:14to be happier and and this positive
633. 22:18energy. I didn't realize realize the
634. 22:21impact of it.
635. 22:21impact of it, how heavy that was.
636. 22:23Yeah.
637. 22:24And that's that's also why
638. 22:27I figured it out was, "Wow, I want to do
639. 22:30something with this." And now now that I
640. 22:33understand the impact that I can bring,
641. 22:37let me let me work on it and use it for
642. 22:39a good use for my heart. And yeah, you
643. 22:42know, I'm not sitting here telling like,
644. 22:44"I'm going to change the world." But to
645. 22:47to have the right motives for it, I
646. 22:49think it's important. And
647. 22:52your mother proud.
648. 22:53Mhm.
649. 22:54Yeah. Can we talk about Starlight?
650. 22:56Yes, yes. Well, you're
651. 22:58you're you're
652. 22:59um
653. 23:00picking all the songs that I love so
654. 23:02much.
655. 23:02Wow.
656. 23:03I mean, the whole album is you smashed
657. 23:05it, but yeah, these are these there were
658. 23:06some moments in this record that really
659. 23:08stuck with me.
660. 23:09Mhm.
661. 23:10You know, Starlight being one of those.
662. 23:12Oh.
663. 23:13You were clearly dealing with some heavy
664. 23:14stuff to to to get out of your system on
665. 23:16that.
666. 23:17Mhm.
667. 23:17Right?
668. 23:18Mhm. And and Starlight really
669. 23:20The black mystery.
670. 23:21is is the story behind it. You know,
671. 23:24when uh this song was also with Bibi. We
672. 23:27talked about the heavy things. We talked
673. 23:29about struggles over the years, but not
674. 23:31just me. We we had we had this bond of
675. 23:36sharing each other sharing each other's
676. 23:39experiences and being influenced by it.
677. 23:42So, yeah, I shared a little bit about
678. 23:45the years and and what I did. And she
679. 23:49instantly knew like,
680. 23:51"You're here She
681. 23:52First of all, she's like my mo-
682. 23:54motivator in life.
683. 23:57Anything she says, I'm just like, "Wow,
684. 23:58I agree with you." And you're giving me
685. 24:01power to to be a stronger of myself.
686. 24:04And she gave you a safe space to talk
687. 24:06about some of those experiences.
688. 24:08And there's a part in this song where
689. 24:11I'm saying, "But
690. 24:14um something about reme- Wait. Remember
691. 24:17the night.
692. 24:17Mhm, I remember the night.
693. 24:19the night, yeah. Um that part is it's me
694. 24:23telling myself never to remember this
695. 24:25self of myself, you know? I'm like,
696. 24:27"Let's remember the night that we wrote
697. 24:29this song and all the
698. 24:31all the great um ideas that came to us
699. 24:35and the inspiration that came to us that
700. 24:37day. Like, this is what makes us
701. 24:38special.
702. 24:39It's a lonely song though. I mean, it it
703. 24:41it it there's resolution at the end, a
704. 24:43sense of like self-awareness and and
705. 24:46learning.
706. 24:47Um overcoming that, I think.
707. 24:48Yeah, it's overcoming a sense of
708. 24:50loneliness and it really made me feel
709. 24:52that. I you really captured that sense
710. 24:54of like and everybody feels this, but
711. 24:56that sense of isolation and not knowing
712. 24:57what to do with that. And there will be
713. 25:00moments like that even through all the
714. 25:01success where
715. 25:03we don't
716. 25:05know
717. 25:06what's happening in the moments in
718. 25:07between the black mystery.
719. 25:09Mhm. That's I think the song speaks
720. 25:13speaks it all for me.
721. 25:14How has Seoul changed since you came
722. 25:16home because you've been part of such a
723. 25:19an enormous
724. 25:21transformation
725. 25:23on the on the world stage in terms of
726. 25:25how people perceive career in Seoul, you
727. 25:27and your contemporaries.
728. 25:29Some friends, I'm sure, who have gone
729. 25:30ahead and done amazing things.
730. 25:33Um but how have you seen it changed as
731. 25:36someone who was born there?
732. 25:37It changed
733. 25:38really quickly, by the way. It changed
734. 25:42as soon as
735. 25:44um
736. 25:45as soon as Blackpink debuted. And from
737. 25:48then on, um
738. 25:52it's it's
739. 25:54it's like my hometown
740. 25:58in a way where
741. 26:01I feel the most safe and comfortable,
742. 26:05but also very strange, you know? It's
743. 26:09I don't know how much um I want to
744. 26:13get into. But I'm like so deep in my
745. 26:15head and I'm like thinking, wait, I'm
746. 26:17there's a mic in front of me. I'm not
747. 26:19talking to a friend. You made me feel so
748. 26:20comfortable.
749. 26:22That's kind of what I was hoping for,
750. 26:24but equally but equally I respect the
751. 26:26fact that you're creating boundaries for
752. 26:27yourself and you don't have to cross
753. 26:28anything.
754. 26:29Yeah, I was just like going through over
755. 26:30the boundaries in my head. I'm like,
756. 26:32"Wait, wait, wait, wait."
757. 26:34You know, when I was there
758. 26:36and I loved Seoul.
759. 26:37Mhm.
760. 26:37It had a profound effect on me, Seoul.
761. 26:39Oh, wow, did it really?
762. 26:41Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the minute I
763. 26:42touched down and drove into the city to
764. 26:45leaving and flying out and looking at
765. 26:46it. I remember, you know, I called my
766. 26:48wife. I was like, "Wow, we got to come
767. 26:49here one day because it's an incredible
768. 26:51place."
769. 26:51Oh, wow.
770. 26:52Um but one of the things I noticed was
771. 26:53that
772. 26:55you know, you and your contemporaries
773. 26:57are everywhere.
774. 27:00Mhm.
775. 27:00And people can say that up and down
776. 27:02Sunset all they want, but they change
777. 27:04that all the time. I feel like there's
778. 27:07something with you on a digital
779. 27:08billboard at all times in that city. Is
780. 27:11that kind of what was going through your
781. 27:12head just now, the balance between home
782. 27:14and that?
783. 27:14Yeah, there's like nothing to hate about
784. 27:16it. It's like you said, if you have the
785. 27:18right balance between and since I have
786. 27:21my
787. 27:22family and my friends there, that makes
788. 27:25me feel less of the person on the
789. 27:27billboard.
790. 27:29Um
791. 27:30it's it's then it's good. There is
792. 27:33nothing to hate about it if if anything,
793. 27:35I'll be driving by and feeling really
794. 27:37proud.
795. 27:38Yeah, yeah.
796. 27:39Um so, yeah.
797. 27:41I'd like to talk about the writing and
798. 27:42producing on this record, of which you
799. 27:44contributed an enormous amount. This
800. 27:45isn't one of those albums where you work
801. 27:47with people and let them figure it out.
802. 27:48You know, your fingerprints are all over
803. 27:50this. Um what did you learn about
804. 27:51yourself as a composer and as a producer
805. 27:53on this record because it has a very
806. 27:55specific sonic through line
807. 27:59that obviously is you.
808. 28:00There is still so, so much that I need
809. 28:03to learn and spend time on. Like, really
810. 28:06it was the first year of me in the
811. 28:09studio so much, looking at tracks and
812. 28:12hearing different sounds and
813. 28:14um exploring different vocals. So, up to
814. 28:19up to now, I'm like,
815. 28:21"So, what is it that you like?" And I
816. 28:23still can't explain it because I'm
817. 28:25always in the studio being like,
818. 28:28"You know, I want to make this a little
819. 28:29bit more uh this."
820. 28:31how do you communicate? What is it like
821. 28:32what is it that it
822. 28:33It's the weirdest. So the people that I
823. 28:36can work with have to kind of understand
824. 28:38this language of my body language of
825. 28:40music. I'm like, "And also the the
826. 28:42different words that we use in the music
827. 28:45world Korean and English is so
828. 28:46different." So I'm like, "Oh, I Can we
829. 28:49make this sound a little bit You know,
830. 28:50like the sound when you tune into the
831. 28:52Like
832. 28:53It's the worst. It's actually the most I
833. 28:56don't want to share
834. 28:57the most embarrassing part of the
835. 28:58experience for you?
836. 28:59is. I'm like, "I know what it is. Like I
837. 29:02can hear it in my head. I'm learning how
838. 29:04to speak that, you know?"
839. 29:06Yeah.
840. 29:06Yeah.
841. 29:06And what's the appropriate reaction to
842. 29:08that moment if you're a collaborator
843. 29:09with you? Is it to be like, "I do not
844. 29:11understand. Be more clear." Or is it to
845. 29:12crack up laughing? Which one do you
846. 29:14prefer?
847. 29:14Um
848. 29:15I I prefer the laughing people.
849. 29:19Cuz when they don't get it and then then
850. 29:21it's just silence. I'm like,
851. 29:25You know, my Uber's outside and I'll
852. 29:27just You know what? This session's been
853. 29:28fun and everything. I'll I'll call you.
854. 29:30Don't call me. I'll call you.
855. 29:32Um FTS That
856. 29:34Flip that script.
857. 29:35Um
858. 29:36What was going through your mind when
859. 29:37you wrote that one because it's uh
860. 29:40it's a very It's one of the most direct
861. 29:41songs on the record.
862. 29:42One of my favorite songs, obviously.
863. 29:45Um that was a day where
864. 29:48cuz we were doing back-to-back every day
865. 29:51in the session. So every day was just
866. 29:53making different songs and
867. 29:55that day I remember we
868. 29:58it was Carly and Bibi and I talking
869. 30:01about
870. 30:02late at night talking about um
871. 30:08how much
872. 30:11work that we've put in into our for our
873. 30:15dreams and more you secure your heart um
874. 30:19of your priority
875. 30:22um it's going to your dreams are going
876. 30:25to eventually come true. You just got to
877. 30:27believe in it. So we were like talking
878. 30:28about this deep life things that we've
879. 30:31learned over years.
880. 30:33And at the end we We like, "You know
881. 30:34what? This Yeah, like that's what
882. 30:37happened. You know what? Just that
883. 30:39Let's Yeah, let's And that became
884. 30:42a song. We wrote that really fast, too.
885. 30:44How much fun was it to sing that the
886. 30:46first time you you you did the demo
887. 30:48vocal?
888. 30:48So good. And I still have fun every
889. 30:50single time.
890. 30:52Um I love the chanting um
891. 30:56background vocal that I have left in the
892. 30:58song where where that cuz that's
893. 31:01the truth of that song. We were
894. 31:03literally talking for hours to come up
895. 31:06with that topic, and we just started
896. 31:08singing for and made the song like that.
897. 31:11So.
898. 31:12I hope you take this the right way in
899. 31:13which it's intended, and trust me, it's
900. 31:15coming from a very pure place of of
901. 31:16being a fan of Blackpink and a fan of
902. 31:18this record. And you know, I spoke to to
903. 31:20to Rosé as well, and we had a great
904. 31:22conversation about that.
905. 31:24It must be great to get to a point in
906. 31:25your life where to a certain degree the
907. 31:27expectations of what is appropriate and
908. 31:29appropriate cuz you're trying to build
909. 31:30an audience, and build things.
910. 31:33Form a relationship with people. I guess
911. 31:36my point is that may not have
912. 31:38jumped out the gate during the early
913. 31:39days of Blackpink.
914. 31:40Oh, no, definitely for sure.
915. 31:43This song
916. 31:44is
917. 31:46uh evidence of growth and and time and
918. 31:50for that for me
919. 31:51And trust.
920. 31:52And trust, yeah.
921. 31:53And trust. And and all of that, you the
922. 31:55chance for you to establish some
923. 31:57independence.
924. 31:59That is in a weird way, right? Your
925. 32:01framework. It that that that backs you
926. 32:03up.
927. 32:03No, instantly. And
928. 32:07I'm surprised that all of this things
929. 32:10the changes in my life happened in just
930. 32:121 year of last year. But
931. 32:16maybe I tell myself maybe this was the
932. 32:18right timing. Like it's it was the right
933. 32:21time to start a new new chapter for
934. 32:24myself and build and really try to build
935. 32:28the things that I want from deep down in
936. 32:30my heart.
937. 32:31You know, Rosé's done it, too. I mean,
938. 32:32we talked about her album and
939. 32:34what a huge growth that was for her to
940. 32:35say the things. I I that's a
941. 32:36heartbreaking record.
942. 32:38And and she went through some
943. 32:40She did, and I was live. I heard
944. 32:43everything live. So, you know, I know
945. 32:45how sincere she was about every word
946. 32:48that she has made.
947. 32:50Um yeah, I'm so proud of everyone, and
948. 32:53I'm so happy for everyone.
949. 32:56Um I'm so
950. 32:58I feel so grateful to be in a group with
951. 33:01um
952. 33:03having having
953. 33:05this family of viewers that are going to
954. 33:08to the same same path, I guess.
955. 33:11With a stop on the way where you can
956. 33:13come together and
957. 33:14Mhm.
958. 33:14take what you've learned.
959. 33:15Mhm.
960. 33:16And and I mean, that next Blackpink tour
961. 33:18is going to be getting crazy.
962. 33:21I mean, you're going to get to step into
963. 33:24each of your individual spaces and
964. 33:26support each other through that. I can't
965. 33:28even imagine which ones you I mean, I'm
966. 33:30sure you're going to do Zen cuz you love
967. 33:31that.
968. 33:32I I'm I'm thinking on it. I haven't
969. 33:35Yeah.
970. 33:35got to be thinking on it.
971. 33:37Yeah, I haven't decided.
972. 33:38Twins got to be up there, too.
973. 33:40Aw. But, that's literally how I feel
974. 33:42every time I hear cuz I've never talked
975. 33:45with anyone about this deeply about my
976. 33:48album. You are the first person, if
977. 33:50anything. So, I'm having this new
978. 33:53reaction to myself.
979. 33:55Twin is powerful because
980. 33:57that's
981. 33:58And this is where that the analysis
982. 33:59ends, but I love the thoughts and the
983. 34:01feelings beyond it. But, I'll make the
984. 34:03statement. It's about someone for sure.
985. 34:06Like, you ain't writing that song
986. 34:08cherry-picking emotions. Like, that's a
987. 34:10that's a letter.
988. 34:11Wow. You
989. 34:13saw right through me.
990. 34:15Yeah. Well, it's all in the music. It's
991. 34:17too personal. It's
992. 34:19Ashanti on the beach, that's a that's a
993. 34:20memory.
994. 34:21That's a memory. Yeah.
995. 34:23Uh that's Yeah, that song is a very very
996. 34:25special song to for me. Maybe the most
997. 34:28personal song. Um but by the time we
998. 34:32were done with the song,
999. 34:34uh I read it back, and
1000. 34:37to me, I was like, "Okay, people can
1001. 34:39resonate to this. There's got to be
1002. 34:40someone that makes everyone feel this
1003. 34:42way.
1004. 34:42Absolutely. We all have unresolved
1005. 34:44relationships and things we yearn. I
1006. 34:47straight up, you're being honest with
1007. 34:48me, I'll be honest with you. I saw
1008. 34:49someone on Thursday night at a dinner. I
1009. 34:51was out with some friends. He was just
1010. 34:53sitting there with his partner and I was
1011. 34:55so happy to see him. We hadn't spoken.
1012. 34:57There was an oddness between us for a
1013. 34:58few years. It was emotional. We both got
1014. 35:00emotional.
1015. 35:01Mhm.
1016. 35:01I didn't waste any time. I just pulled
1017. 35:04it all away and just hugged him. It was
1018. 35:05just like, I miss you, you know. That
1019. 35:07song is that.
1020. 35:07Yeah, you said it in the perfect way.
1021. 35:09That's how I felt with the song.
1022. 35:11Has it helped you
1023. 35:13pluck the courage to be able to take the
1024. 35:16right steps?
1025. 35:16No, 100%. I think
1026. 35:20um being after
1027. 35:24being truthful on that song
1028. 35:26made me gave me a conclusion, gave me a
1029. 35:28clearer thought on how I felt of that
1030. 35:31relationship and
1031. 35:34and it says it all. Uh there you go. I'm
1032. 35:36writing my letter to you.
1033. 35:39Mhm.
1034. 35:39I don't know if you're doing SNL this
1035. 35:41season or what the plan is, but
1036. 35:43that's a real one. Like
1037. 35:46you're an incredible performer, girl.
1038. 35:47Everybody knows that and and as a member
1039. 35:48of the band or on your own, you know,
1040. 35:50you you own the screen and you own the
1041. 35:52stage.
1042. 35:53It's so amazing I'd imagine for you to
1043. 35:55be able to play that live and just
1044. 35:58do the opposite.
1045. 35:59I'm excited.
1046. 36:00You brought some friends along. I love
1047. 36:02how you chose your collaborators really
1048. 36:03carefully. You got old friends in there,
1049. 36:05Dominic Fike.
1050. 36:06Mhm.
1051. 36:06I feel like you guys hit the best
1052. 36:08Coachella weekend ever that weekend. I
1053. 36:10feel like
1054. 36:11I kept seeing cuz I know Dom, I kept
1055. 36:13seeing Dom and you guys in different
1056. 36:14parts and it was like you were just part
1057. 36:16of the 100,000 people. It wasn't even
1058. 36:18like you were performing.
1059. 36:20I like is anyone watching these guys?
1060. 36:21They're just literally running around
1061. 36:23this festival having the greatest time.
1062. 36:24What do you love? I mean, I've spent
1063. 36:25time with Dom. I went to Naples and
1064. 36:26spent time with his family. We hung out
1065. 36:28for the whole day.
1066. 36:28Oh wow.
1067. 36:29pretty incredible. Um
1068. 36:31so I've had some deep conversations with
1069. 36:32him. Let's talk about your relationship
1070. 36:34with him. What you connect on with him
1071. 36:37and what you see in him.
1072. 36:39Unfortunately,
1073. 36:40the featuring it wasn't in person cuz
1074. 36:43that's what I would have preferred.
1075. 36:45Yeah.
1076. 36:46Um
1077. 36:46But they're friends, right? You know
1078. 36:47him.
1079. 36:48Mhm. He's He's Tell me Dom is like a
1080. 36:52free free spirit guy.
1081. 36:54Yeah.
1082. 36:55And
1083. 36:57every time we talk, I have the best
1084. 37:00time. I laugh.
1085. 37:01Yeah, it's funny. It's really funny.
1086. 37:03He's truthful.
1087. 37:05And, you know, the music part is
1088. 37:08everything about it was very organic. Um
1089. 37:13I was just happy that he he wanted to
1090. 37:15jump on. And when we were texting, he
1091. 37:18told me how much he appreciated
1092. 37:21um the fact that I wanted him on my
1093. 37:23album. And I was like, "What are you
1094. 37:24talking about? I feel the same." So,
1095. 37:27yeah, throughout this song, I think I've
1096. 37:30become a great friend friend of him now
1097. 37:33that maybe for a future um in the
1098. 37:35future, we could really be in a studio
1099. 37:38working together and learning
1100. 37:40about each other.
1101. 37:41But I feel like that kind of is a is a
1102. 37:43is a motivating factor for you. Like,
1103. 37:44when you showed up on the Matt Champion
1104. 37:46song, we were just like, "This is such a
1105. 37:48touch." Like, Matt's awesome.
1106. 37:50Brockhampton's a great legacy. But on
1107. 37:52paper, no one's expecting Matt Champion
1108. 37:54Jenny collaboration.
1109. 37:56It's obviously In talk Let's talk about
1110. 37:57this. Like, what motivates you to say
1111. 37:59yes?
1112. 38:00I don't see a reason to say no is closer
1113. 38:03to how I can put it.
1114. 38:06Matt Matt and I started working together
1115. 38:11on music like four five years before
1116. 38:14four years ago. I'm really bad with
1117. 38:15time, by the way.
1118. 38:16Do you have By the way, isn't it amazing
1119. 38:17how like hanging out with me and your
1120. 38:18New Zealand accent's coming back quite
1121. 38:20strong now?
1122. 38:20Is it?
1123. 38:21A little bit.
1124. 38:22Oh my god.
1125. 38:22Yeah, four years ago.
1126. 38:26I love I should only be talking to you.
1127. 38:29Works for me.
1128. 38:31Works for me.
1129. 38:32I'm so sad about how I lost my accent.
1130. 38:34And
1131. 38:35It's coming back. I'm telling you.
1132. 38:36Yes.
1133. 38:37They're going to really appreciate you
1134. 38:38at passport control next time you go
1135. 38:39through New Zealand. They'll be like, "I
1136. 38:41told you, Jenny. She would She'd be
1137. 38:42back. She'd be back. She didn't forget."
1138. 38:45Yeah, you and Matt from 4 years ago.
1139. 38:47Oh, yeah. So,
1140. 38:48we
1141. 38:50I was clueless back then. I didn't know
1142. 38:52what working together with a different
1143. 38:55artist in a studio meant, what it was.
1144. 38:57And we just hung out in the studios for
1145. 38:59days and we came up with so many songs.
1146. 39:02And some of them that I'm like holding
1147. 39:04on to because I want to put it out one
1148. 39:06day.
1149. 39:07Um he So, he he called it Dips in Slow
1150. 39:09Motion. There's a song that I like that
1151. 39:11we did together.
1152. 39:12What's that one called? Can you tell us?
1153. 39:14Oh, yeah, it's called Navy Blue.
1154. 39:16Yeah. It's a very sweet song that I
1155. 39:18like. So, you know, we we made we made
1156. 39:22the song
1157. 39:23years back and he wanted to put it out.
1158. 39:26I was like, "Finally, you know, let's
1159. 39:29go. Let's put the amazing work that we
1160. 39:32we did together out into the world."
1161. 39:34Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. Um
1162. 39:36Doja
1163. 39:43Uh someone I'm sure that you can
1164. 39:45identify with not just from terms of as
1165. 39:46a fan, but also the the the amount of
1166. 39:48work.
1167. 39:49Doja puts in the work. When she shows
1168. 39:53up, it's like the performances, she
1169. 39:55takes pride in that
1170. 39:57And
1171. 39:59that is why her having her on my album
1172. 40:03means everything. It's It's I don't just
1173. 40:07love her music. She
1174. 40:09really inspires me as a human being, you
1175. 40:12know? She's empowering and she's such a
1176. 40:18She's so pure in heart with her her
1177. 40:20craft and I admire that about her. So,
1178. 40:23Yeah, and also for you to have someone
1179. 40:25around you that is doing what you and
1180. 40:26your friends have been doing. That whole
1181. 40:28thing about like
1182. 40:30Blackpink or BTS, that sense And by the
1183. 40:33way, generationally new edition, you
1184. 40:35know, um The Supremes, that sense of
1185. 40:38like we're here to do our best work, our
1186. 40:42best creative work. But But everyone's
1187. 40:43like, "Oh man, you know,
1188. 40:45so much effort put into that." And they
1189. 40:47focus on the effort. But, it's like, no,
1190. 40:50but focus on the result. Like, it's so
1191. 40:53much better.
1192. 40:53Mhm. So, before
1193. 40:56we shot the video together for Extra L,
1194. 40:59it was the week after the Grammys, and
1195. 41:02I've just watched her performance, and I
1196. 41:05saw
1197. 41:08the amazing
1198. 41:10greatness that she created. And you have
1199. 41:13no idea how nervous I was for the next 1
1200. 41:16week of our before I shoot. I'm like,
1201. 41:18"Oh my god."
1202. 41:19Press ups.
1203. 41:20Yeah, like
1204. 41:22I want I want to give her the same
1205. 41:25amount of energy
1206. 41:26Yeah.
1207. 41:26when we shoot together. So, yeah, that
1208. 41:29was
1209. 41:30that I I like just remember that week of
1210. 41:33me being
1211. 41:35Oh my god, like starstruck. And like, I
1212. 41:36was getting butterflies before I met her
1213. 41:39for that shoot, but
1214. 41:40chill, though, right?
1215. 41:41No, and we had the best time. It was
1216. 41:43actually so fun. I didn't realize how
1217. 41:46well we would blend together like as a
1218. 41:49performer. There was no We didn't even
1219. 41:52have to um tell each other anything.
1220. 41:54Like, the director would give us uh
1221. 41:57information on what we have to do, and
1222. 41:58we would just be like, "Okay."
1223. 42:00What have you learned have been not just
1224. 42:01part of a group, but but moving in lots
1225. 42:04of different spaces and collaborating
1226. 42:06with people and and wanting to perform
1227. 42:07at a high level and use your abilities
1228. 42:09and your skills and your gifts, but also
1229. 42:11know that it's got to be
1230. 42:13it's got to be a collaboration. It's got
1231. 42:14to be chem- chemistry has to be right.
1232. 42:17What's crucial to that for you? How do
1233. 42:18you perform well with other people and
1234. 42:20not just at your own level?
1235. 42:22I think that comes from being in my
1236. 42:26group for the past 10 years.
1237. 42:28Um and also over the years in New
1238. 42:31Zealand,
1239. 42:32um
1240. 42:33I've learned to
1241. 42:36uh
1242. 42:37collect information on people.
1243. 42:39Obviously, growing up by myself at
1244. 42:41school, I needed a way to protect
1245. 42:43myself, and I think it was by um
1246. 42:47collecting the information around me, so
1247. 42:49I don't do anything
1248. 42:51um that's going to kill the vibe.
1249. 42:54Wow, so just observing the room and
1250. 42:56figuring out how to adapt at all times
1251. 42:58in order to just survive, really.
1252. 43:01Really. And then then one I was in the
1253. 43:04trainee system for 6 years. That's
1254. 43:07survival right there.
1255. 43:09And that's also what I learned. And over
1256. 43:12the years of being Blackpink with the
1257. 43:14girls has taught me how to
1258. 43:16um
1259. 43:17understand different people. Understand
1260. 43:20that everyone is different and that's
1261. 43:22fine. And you just got to learn about
1262. 43:25them and or um anything.
1263. 43:28And then just make it yours and embrace
1264. 43:30it and and deal learn how to deal with
1265. 43:33it on your on your own way. And
1266. 43:36that's got to be the
1267. 43:40core
1268. 43:42thought inside of me that helps me a
1269. 43:44better collaborator with with other
1270. 43:47artists.
1271. 43:48When you think about the young people
1272. 43:49who are going through a similar training
1273. 43:51experience now that you went through 10
1274. 43:52years ago. And I'm sure the system is
1275. 43:55better.
1276. 43:56And I'm sure I hope it's better. And I
1277. 43:58hope I hope and I hope people are
1278. 44:00figuring out how to understand the
1279. 44:02experience in a more layered way. It's
1280. 44:04not just like putting in the hours, show
1281. 44:06up.
1282. 44:08Do you feel that like what you're doing,
1283. 44:10what your friends are doing, what Rosé's
1284. 44:11doing, what Lisa's doing, Jisoo's doing?
1285. 44:14By coming out making your own music,
1286. 44:15coming back together that
1287. 44:17this is an important growth for the
1288. 44:19K-pop K-pop industry that that that
1289. 44:21you're showing people that there isn't
1290. 44:23an end.
1291. 44:24That it's not like hey Blackpink's done
1292. 44:25its thing, next.
1293. 44:27That no, hang on. This is a lifelong
1294. 44:28career. Does it feel that way? Do you
1295. 44:30have that in your mind?
1296. 44:31I think that responsibility is
1297. 44:32definitely there inside of me or and all
1298. 44:35of us. It's not just um
1299. 44:39the next comeback of music for us. We we
1300. 44:41really believe that we are making a
1301. 44:43cultural move with what we're doing and
1302. 44:46we want to leave a great mark for for
1303. 44:48the history in in the best way possible.
1304. 44:51So, um
1305. 44:53it was important for all of us to really
1306. 44:55understand that responsibility, I think.
1307. 44:57That cuz it's there's a lot It's It's a
1308. 44:59lot to be separated and then come back
1309. 45:02as a group and to even agree on
1310. 45:04something like that is
1311. 45:06I don't know if people understand, but
1312. 45:07it is a very big decision to make
1313. 45:10for all
1314. 45:12grown-up
1315. 45:13women, you know?
1316. 45:16But, yeah, we we pulled through and and
1317. 45:19I'm excited for what's next for
1318. 45:21BLACKPINK, too.
1319. 45:21Does your stomach churn a little bit in
1320. 45:23a good way when you think about coming
1321. 45:24back and doing and and that moving into
1322. 45:26that machine?
1323. 45:27I have faith in me to do it better this
1324. 45:30time, so
1325. 45:31Interesting. What do you think you you'd
1326. 45:33like to improve doing this time that you
1327. 45:35didn't that you How would you like to do
1328. 45:37better this time?
1329. 45:38I think I really want to
1330. 45:40be be present with it. Um less, you
1331. 45:45know, worrying, less concerns, and
1332. 45:48it's
1333. 45:50What's more fun than being on a stage as
1334. 45:52BLACKPINK? Like, let me enjoy this.
1335. 45:56Really just being more present about
1336. 45:58everything that's going to go on is
1337. 46:00probably
1338. 46:02um what's going to be different from
1339. 46:04before.
1340. 46:04So glad to hear that. Fans around the
1341. 46:06world are going to just love that. I
1342. 46:07think that will resonate more than
1343. 46:09you know, from a BLACKPINK point of view
1344. 46:11and in the few times we've touched on
1345. 46:12that, that will really resonate with
1346. 46:14fans. Um
1347. 46:16before you say goodbye, a chance to to
1348. 46:18sort of communicate a little bit about
1349. 46:19that relationship and
1350. 46:21how do you maintain a healthy
1351. 46:23relationship with with your fans because
1352. 46:25BLACKPINK fans love BLACKPINK, Jennie
1353. 46:27fans love you.
1354. 46:29And yet you also know who you are away
1355. 46:31from that. You talk about that on the
1356. 46:33record. There are songs about that.
1357. 46:35To be honest, I think it's still I treat
1358. 46:38it really sensitively when it comes to
1359. 46:41my relationship with our fans.
1360. 46:43And
1361. 46:45as much as the changes are going on with
1362. 46:47the group, I think the fans are also
1363. 46:50they might also feel confused and um
1364. 46:57not
1365. 46:58but
1366. 46:59lost in the way maybe, but I think over
1367. 47:03throughout showing everyone's music and
1368. 47:07our solo careers. And then when when we
1369. 47:09show when we're back as Blackpink, then
1370. 47:12that hopefully will
1371. 47:14build that rebuild that relationship
1372. 47:17that everyone might feel confused about.
1373. 47:20Because as long as the four of us love
1374. 47:23each other, I think there is no
1375. 47:26reason for anyone to see us separately.
1376. 47:30But maybe in the way we might have that
1377. 47:33might have I I do think that that might
1378. 47:35have confused the fans.
1379. 47:37Um so, yeah, it's it's a very
1380. 47:40that it's a I I treat this relationship
1381. 47:43very
1382. 47:45delicately.
1383. 47:46Well,
1384. 47:47you know, all the world's a stage.
1385. 47:50Men and women are merely players.
1386. 47:52Yes. So, play on, player.
1387. 47:55You're right.
1388. 47:57That's
1389. 47:57Yep. That's Let me be the player.
1390. 48:01Hey, it's been really fun hanging out
1391. 48:02with you. I knew this was going to be
1392. 48:03fun.
1393. 48:04I knew too. You have no idea. I was
1394. 48:07I I wanted to have this talk and I just
1395. 48:11meet you, you know, and have this talk
1396. 48:13about this album especially with you
1397. 48:14because I've been a fan of your
1398. 48:16interviews for such a long time. So,
1399. 48:17it's been my honor to come and talk to
1400. 48:19you.